In guild Wars you could make a PVP char only and unlock SKills, Insignas ect ect through Balt points from PVPing ...which is what i did.

Im not actually talking about grinding but quest and getting into the lore(im not a fan boy and know nothing about this universe) and playing through like that then getting a bad ass avatar all thugged out and mobbin on some Destruction biznatches....ya digg???

The problem is not to know who is right or wrong, the fan boys or the hate boys, i don't give a shit personnally.

The problem come from the fact lot of players have enough of the so-so mmos. They can't even make a solid mmorpg base and stick 2 or 3 "uber" features to it without having it collapse... And they still ask why...

Honestly look at it, after 20 years of mmos (Uo lunch was in 1998 if im right),

- housing,

- mounted combat,

- pvp (ye pvp and not only rvr, that mean good duels as well a balanced mass pvp),

- ai (honestly ai is so shitty in mmos its scandalous, even emulators and serious private servers have better ai),

- seamless "world",

are not only very poorly implemented features in most of the game , but are most likely totally ignored... New go talk about innovations

Go pay for this for few years at 15$ if not 45$ a month (if you are mad enough to play few games to have the completed box of basic features)...

Guys it is time to wake up

Originally posted by Requiamer

The problem is not to know who is right or wrong, the fan boys or the hate boys, i don't give a shit personnally.

The problem come from the fact lot of players have enough of the so-so mmos. They can't even make a solid mmorpg base and stick 2 or 3 "uber" features to it without having it collapse... And they still ask why...

Honestly look at it, after 20 years of mmos (Uo lunch was in 1998 if im right),

- housing,

- mounted combat,

- pvp (ye pvp and not only rvr, that mean good duels as well a balanced mass pvp),

- ai (honestly ai is so shitty in mmos its scandalous, even emulators and serious private servers have better ai),

- seamless "world",

are not only very poorly implemented features in most of the game , but are most likely totally ignored... New go talk about innovations

 Go pay for this for few years at 15$ if not 45$ a month (if you are mad enough to play few games to have the completed box of basic features)...

 Guys it is time to wake up  

UO was released in 1997.  I was and I am a fanboi of UO.  I hope games as DF actually released and have all the features promised, just because UO rocked.

Now, I hope you are not saying that UO was released smoothly (lag, CTDs, exploits all over, etc, etc, etc).  It was a nightmare.  And UO's AI was very simply, imo.

And why do you say 20 years of MMO?  I would say more like 10 years, counting since UO and EQ... we of course can go back to Meridian 59 and MUDs, if you want.

I think people look into the past remembering only the good and forgeting the bad.

I think WAR is being very clear in what the game is and what is not (there are not any missleading as other MMO companies did in the last years).  This is a game focused on RvR which is a particular implementation of PvP... people think it's the same as faction PvP but it's not because, besides other sutff, it means the classes aren't created for 1 vs 1 dueling.  The classes are created for a role in a battle.  The design of battle fields arent designed for dueling, they are designed for RvR.

I understand you dont like WAR's features.  I dont understand really why ALL MMOs should have the features you mentioned.  Is like asking all card games to be the same... if you like Poker then Black Jack should be like Poker?  It's really silly.  If you want PvP duels play a game focused in that.  If you want a sand box, play a sand box.  UO is there, EvE is there, etc.

Originally posted by ProfRed

No you never believe trolls.  You are mixing up what a troll and someone who is critical.  What even defines a fanboi?  I have a ton of fun in the game so I relay that information here.  Prior to trying beta I even posted about how I cancelled my pre order.  So because I had a blast in game and I relay that information in a positive tone am I a fanboy? 

The terms are thrown around way too loosely. 

Troll = someone who only says negative things about the game

Fanboi = Someone who only says positive things about the game

It's a pretty simple definition.  Sometimes they get tricky and slide in an occasional backhanded compliment or minor issue to make it look like they'r being objective.  That's how I read you, ProfRed.

The OP has absolutely nailed it, this is the best and most spot-on review I've read about this game.

/bump!

Any guilds that acccept recruits with just WoW or AoC PVP experience should be burned at the stake.

" The game won't be a huge runaway hit, but it won't be a flop either. Its not gonna put too much of a hurt on WoW's numbers"

WoW subscriber numbers is just a bunch of hype that the PR uses to attract more customers to the game. They do have alot of subscribers but if you find out what they consider a subscriber, where a majority of subscribers are regionally located, and how the subscription plan varies by region i.e. NA, EU, Asia.. then 11m subscribers seem to be just one of those PR tricks

I took roughtly 20 years, Uo wasn't designed and released the same day, and to be honest i don't care at all how much years they needed to release it. This is just to say what was developed since then is so poor its a shame. If i was working in that domain and had passed 1/2 of my working life time and came to that result i would be ashame...

Your argument about RvR being separate from pvp and dueling is pretty damn poor, there is nothing really i can explain to you.

I don't care about War overall, i should maybe post what i have to say in the general forum, but War happen to be the last mmo out there, so i think it fit right here...

The features i mentioned are based features, this is the minimum required for that genre, it is not an option whatever the developers think and do. A persistant world need those to work, mmos are nothing but crap for newbies if they don't have those.

I don't want to play 10 mmos to fit my needs, i let this to you, i neither have the time and the money for that. Well i do have the money but i think i can find a lot of better use to it, than giving over 50$ a month to have my toon pvp, have a house and rp in 5 different games...

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by WoWarhammer

I'm the complete opposite. I would never recommend this game to a true PvPer that wants a meaningful and skillful experience in their MMO.

I would however, suggest this game to a PvE person that only casually PvPs because they suck at it. This game will be perfect for them.

 

That's because you are a troll.  We can't expect you to say anything logical, sensible, or relevant.  We can expect you to slam the game every chance you get though.  For that you entertain us immensely.  What is funny is that because of your name no one can take you seriously and you actually have the opposite effect on people.  If I didn't know better I would say you might be a huge fan of Warhammer.

This forum needs both of you. You balance each other out lol.

Ok, ive been reading WAR forums on here for the last month (cos im just plane craving WAR & TF2 just aint filling the gap anymore) & this OP finally enticed me to register & post.

A very good non-bias overview  of WAR i think (i played in PW)

I lived in my mind imagining how good WAR was guna for be weeks while my girlfriend told me about her new shoes & such (remembering simply saying ah ha every now & then will blow my cover) & i was not dissapointed by the PW, it delivered on what i had pictured, including all the negatives the OP pointed out.

BRING ON WAR

Also profred, ive seen u in most of the threads & your posts are always either right, freakin funny, or both 

Originally posted by Urrelles

 I'm completely opposite on that.  I am absolutely sick of grinind for 3 weeks to a month straight before I can enjoy balance and engaging PvP. 

This game offers me PvP at level for a quick fix.  Guild Wars did the same thing, but you still had to create a questing character and find skills if you wanted to compete. 

I just like the way WAR presents it all.  I like the think the Public quest could be a touch more interesting, but I love how they promote kill sharing than bickering over kill stealing.  Just get in there and fight, and hope you do better than the rest.

GW allowed you to create a lvl 20 char that could unlock skills by doing pvp and gaining Balthazar points to buy those skills without having to try finishing a campaign just for the skills.

The difference is that WAR allows you to do both questing and PvP and gain skills for both of them simultaneously so it doesn't seem split.

Requiamer:

I would agree with you, except for the fact that WAR was never marketed as a virtual world.

It has always been described by the developers as a GAME above all else.

The features you are "requiring" are definitely fitting for a virtual world such as UO was, but not for an MMOG.

Originally posted by Dameonk

Requiamer:

I would agree with you, except for the fact that WAR was never marketed as a virtual world.

It has always been described by the developers as a GAME above all else.

The features you are "requiring" are definitely fitting for a virtual world such as UO was, but not for an MMOG.

A virtual world is absolutly needed in a MMO, not because its logical, not because it make the mmo genre, not because blabla, but because most of the customers ask to have it, i think they have enough proof.

They (dev and admins) can ignore this one, ten, one hundred or one thousand time, it won't get them anywhere. They already tried enough to split the market and failed, first they didn't want pvp anymore (it was bad), then soloing in mmo wasn't fashion, then blablabla. RvR! dueling and pving is useless, go RvR ... sure...

They can try how much they want to force their costumers to fit in their products, they will just fail over and over, because the fact is, they have to adpat their produst to the needs (at least 90% of it). Today it is just the opposite, they respond to 10% of the customers need and push it, push, push ... If you don't like it go play elsewhere... This just can't work.

Originally posted by UberKnot

Originally posted by Hopfrog

Its funny watching the fanbois and trolls go at it. Honestly, I find myself agreeing with just about every post made by each side.

We saw this same thing go down prior to AOC release, and I think I can safely say we are not looking at another AOC debacle.  The game is fun and quite playable. The game is neither as awesome as the fanboi raves it is, and it is certainly not some bug filled snooze fest that the trolls are labeling it as.  The game won't be a huge runaway hit, but it won't be a flop either. Its not gonna put too much of a hurt on WoW's numbers, but it will be a success and has lots of room to grow over the years and it probably will have a large dedicated following during those years. Again, its good enough to succeed and find its place rather high up on the MMO population charts, but its not that "OMG this is what we have been waiting for" type of game.

Its true mobs sometimes stun themselves in place for a few seconds while being pulled.  Doesn't happen all the time and its not a gamebreaker.  Its also true that auctioneers and the bank don't even work, however, I doubt thats gonna be a huge hurdle to put in and in a game like this they should have just come up with something new anyways then the standard auctioneer and banker.

Its also true the game is very smooth and probably one of the more polished betas in recent memory.  We can nitpick, but I saw nothing really gamebreaking.  Its also true the game is relatively lag free in all but the biggest of battles.

There are some innovative things, the graphics are nice, not amazing, but their cool. The music and sounds are well done. Don't kid yourselves, its not coming to the plate with near the bells and whistles that WoW did at launch.  There is a lot of stuff missing. 

I saw quite a few few beta reviews starting off with comments like "lets get this right out of the way, the game looks nothing like wow"......uh... huh???  Its true its a little grittier and more realistic, but its also a bit more bland and looks a heckuva lot like WoW with all the exaggerated architecture and landscaping.  My wife doesn't know a thing about these games and when she walked throught the room she did a double take and asked "is this the new game you said you were gonna try, or the one you played before".  I told her it was the new one, she hmmmped, said it looked just like the other one, and kept on walking.

Its true the big cities have giant buildings and a sense of grandeur, its also true their kinda vanilla and and empty. Personally I thought the capital cities in Pirates of the Burning Sea were more exciting than the 2 capitals that are making it to launch. There are some cool elements but I shudder to think what the ones looked like that got cut.

Its also true this is a PVP'ers game as Mythic has stated from the start.  The shortcomings this game will have at launch will in no way keep a PVE'er around.  If your a PVP'er though, their might be enough fun in it for you to overlook the warts.  PVP is everywhere!  Heck I did more leveling PVP'ing than I did PVE'ing, and I had a good time.

So who should you believe the fanbois or the trolls?....... errrrr both actually.

 

Um and people should buy WAR because??  I mena there are already other games out right now that offer good PvP even great PvP.

I mean what really does it have to offer as far as PvP thats not already out there?

What amazing PvP MMORPG's are out there now?? i'd like to know!!

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by UberKnot

Originally posted by Hopfrog

Its funny watching the fanbois and trolls go at it. Honestly, I find myself agreeing with just about every post made by each side.

We saw this same thing go down prior to AOC release, and I think I can safely say we are not looking at another AOC debacle.  The game is fun and quite playable. The game is neither as awesome as the fanboi raves it is, and it is certainly not some bug filled snooze fest that the trolls are labeling it as.  The game won't be a huge runaway hit, but it won't be a flop either. Its not gonna put too much of a hurt on WoW's numbers, but it will be a success and has lots of room to grow over the years and it probably will have a large dedicated following during those years. Again, its good enough to succeed and find its place rather high up on the MMO population charts, but its not that "OMG this is what we have been waiting for" type of game.

Its true mobs sometimes stun themselves in place for a few seconds while being pulled.  Doesn't happen all the time and its not a gamebreaker.  Its also true that auctioneers and the bank don't even work, however, I doubt thats gonna be a huge hurdle to put in and in a game like this they should have just come up with something new anyways then the standard auctioneer and banker.

Its also true the game is very smooth and probably one of the more polished betas in recent memory.  We can nitpick, but I saw nothing really gamebreaking.  Its also true the game is relatively lag free in all but the biggest of battles.

There are some innovative things, the graphics are nice, not amazing, but their cool. The music and sounds are well done. Don't kid yourselves, its not coming to the plate with near the bells and whistles that WoW did at launch.  There is a lot of stuff missing. 

I saw quite a few few beta reviews starting off with comments like "lets get this right out of the way, the game looks nothing like wow"......uh... huh???  Its true its a little grittier and more realistic, but its also a bit more bland and looks a heckuva lot like WoW with all the exaggerated architecture and landscaping.  My wife doesn't know a thing about these games and when she walked throught the room she did a double take and asked "is this the new game you said you were gonna try, or the one you played before".  I told her it was the new one, she hmmmped, said it looked just like the other one, and kept on walking.

Its true the big cities have giant buildings and a sense of grandeur, its also true their kinda vanilla and and empty. Personally I thought the capital cities in Pirates of the Burning Sea were more exciting than the 2 capitals that are making it to launch. There are some cool elements but I shudder to think what the ones looked like that got cut.

Its also true this is a PVP'ers game as Mythic has stated from the start.  The shortcomings this game will have at launch will in no way keep a PVE'er around.  If your a PVP'er though, their might be enough fun in it for you to overlook the warts.  PVP is everywhere!  Heck I did more leveling PVP'ing than I did PVE'ing, and I had a good time.

So who should you believe the fanbois or the trolls?....... errrrr both actually.

 

Um and people should buy WAR because??  I mena there are already other games out right now that offer good PvP even great PvP.

I mean what really does it have to offer as far as PvP thats not already out there?

 

What amazing PvP MMORPG's are out there now?? i'd like to know!!

Asheron's Call, Eve, Pirates of the Burning Sea, that I can think of right off the top of my head.

Well, unless you're CRT monitor is dusty or you're glasses need a cleaning you are crazy to think WAR has a low poly count like WoW. YES they do look the same in ART style, but if im not mistaken Blizzard pretty much copied and pasted pages of Warhammer and created Warcraft. Just look at Warcraft 1 and 2. I'm no fanboy, and i liked the Warcraft franchice before WoW, but isn't this getting a little out of hand?

"The game is fun and quite playable. The game is neither as awesome as the fanboi raves it is"

i stopped reading right there. if the game is fun and quite playable then why the fuck are you whinig about fanboys. what is worng, cant you guys come up with more creative post, what is the point of this post?

Originally posted by medafor

"The game is fun and quite playable. The game is neither as awesome as the fanboi raves it is"

i stopped reading right there. if the game is fun and quite playable then why the fuck are you whinig about fanboys. what is worng, cant you guys come up with more creative post, what is the point of this post?

uh... chill.  Wasn't whining about fanbois or trolls, in fact the point of this thread was to point out that they are both right about the game.  You might wanna spend less time dropping the F bomb and more time working on your reading comprehension.  You also might wanna actually read the stuff you feel compelled to comment on, it makes it so much more enjoyable for the reader and it will make you look less stupid in the future. Ciao.

Originally posted by Hopfrog

Originally posted by medafor

"The game is fun and quite playable. The game is neither as awesome as the fanboi raves it is"

i stopped reading right there. if the game is fun and quite playable then why the fuck are you whinig about fanboys. what is worng, cant you guys come up with more creative post, what is the point of this post?

 

uh... chill.  Wasn't whining about fanbois or trolls, in fact the point of this thread was to point out that they are both right about the game.  You might wanna spend less time dropping the F bomb and more time working on your reading comprehension.  You also might wanna actually read the stuff you feel compelled to comment on, it makes it so much more enjoyable for the reader and it will make you look less stupid in the future. Ciao.

Your original post was so new and refreshing. Retaliating only shows your weakness as they push your buttons.

When someone blatantly takes what I say out of context, I make sure and correct them.

pushing my buttons? showing weakness?

I think you take these forums way too seriously.