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http://www.russianspy.org/2007/04/19/russia-to-build-worlds-longest-underwater-tunnel-to-alaska/

Official from the Russian Economy Ministry told reporters on Wednesday, April 18, that Russia plans to build the world’s longest tunnel, a transport and pipeline link under the Bering Strait to Alaska, as part of a $65 billion project to supply the U.S. with oil, natural gas and electricity from Siberia.

The project, which Russia is coordinating with the U.S. and Canada, would take 10 to 15 years to complete, Viktor Razbegin, deputy head of industrial research at the Russian Economy Ministry, said. State organizations and private companies in partnership would build and control the route, known as TKM-World Link, he added.

A 6,000-kilometer (3,700-mile) transport corridor from Siberia into the U.S. will feed into the tunnel, which at 64 miles will be more than twice as long as the underwater section of the Channel Tunnel between the U.K. and France, according to the plan. The tunnel would run in three sections to link the two islands in the Bering Strait between Russia and the U.S.

“This will be a business project, not a political one,� Maxim Bystrov, deputy head of Russia’s agency for special economic zones, was quoted by Bloomberg as telling a media briefing. Russian officials will formally present the plan to the U.S. and Canadian governments next week, Razbegin said.

The Bering Strait tunnel will cost $10 billion to $12 billion, and the rest of the investment will be spent on the entire transport corridor, the plan estimates.

“The project is a monster,� Yevgeny Nadorshin, chief economist with Trust Investment Bank in Moscow, said in an interview with Bloomberg. “The Chinese are crying out for our commodities and willing to finance the transport links, and we’re sending oil to Alaska.�

The planned undersea tunnel would contain a high-speed railway, highway and pipelines, as well as power and fiber-optic cables, according to TKM-World Link. Investors in the so-called public-private partnership include Russian Railways, national power utility Unified Energy System and state-controlled pipeline operator Transneft. This information was contained in the press release which was handed out at the media briefing and bore the companies’ logos.

Russia and the U.S. may each eventually take 25 percent stakes, with private investors and international finance agencies as other shareholders, Razbegin said. “The governments will act as guarantors for private money,� he said.

The World Link will save North America and Far East Russia $20 billion a year on electricity costs, said Vasily Zubakin, deputy chief executive officer of HydroOGK, Unified Energy’s hydropower unit and a potential investor.

“It’s cheaper to transport electricity east, and with our unique tidal resources, the potential is real,� Zubakin said. By 2020 HydroOGK plans to build the Tugurskaya and Pendzhinskaya tidal plants, each with capacity of as much as 10 gigawatts, in the Okhotsk Sea, close to Sakhalin Island.

The project envisions building high-voltage power lines with a capacity of up to 15 gigawatts to supply the new rail links and also export to North America.
Russian Railways is working on the rail route from Pravaya Lena, south of Yakutsk in the Sakha republic, to Uelen on the Bering Strait, a 3,500 kilometer stretch.
The link could carry commodities from Eastern Siberia and Sakha to North American export markets, said Artur Alexeyev, Sakha’s vice president.

The two regions hold most of Russia’s metal and mineral reserves “and yet only 1.5 percent of it is developed due to lack of infrastructure and tough conditions�, Alexeyev said.

Japan, China and Korea have expressed interest in the project, with Japanese companies offering to burrow the tunnel under the Bering Strait for $60 million a kilometer, half the price set down in the project, Razbegin said.

“This will certainly help to develop Siberia and the Far East, but better port infrastructure would do that too and not cost $65 billion,� Trust’s Nadorshin said. “For all we know, the U.S. doesn’t want to make Alaska a transport hub.�

The figures for the project come from a preliminary feasibility study. A full study could be funded from Russia’s investment fund, set aside for large infrastructure projects, Bystrov said.

YES oil going to be around for some-time it looks like, at least for a 100 yrs are more.

Originally posted by frodus

YES oil going to be around for some-time it looks like, at least for a 100 yrs are more.

Random internet conclusions from even more random people ftw.

Just so we all know, how exactly did you come up with this number? Thanks.

Originally posted by waterlilly

Originally posted by frodus

YES oil going to be around for some-time it looks like, at least for a 100 yrs are more.

 

Random internet conclusions from even more random people ftw.

Just so we all know, how did you exactly come up with this number? Thanks.

Country's don't make this kind of investment unless they know their is nothing on the horizon to replace it.

WTF

Originally posted by frodus

Country's don't make this kind of investment unless they know their is nothing on the horizon to replace it.

WTF

I see, you just make random claims. Well, I kinda figured you did.

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Originally posted by waterlilly

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Originally posted by frodus

Country's don't make this kind of investment unless they know their is nothing on the horizon to replace it.
WTF

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I see, you just make random claims. Well, I kinda figured you did.

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Hopefully we can stop using oil and fossil fuels by 2025 :(

Originally posted by Midnitte

 

Depending on the choices made it could very well last until 100 years, hopefully the next president dedicates his time to actually solving problems like a new energy source instead of just trying to stay in until the last minute possible.

 

Hopefully we can stop using oil and fossil fuels by 2025 :(

I hope so. We're (Belgium) building an offshore windmill park that will cover a good deal of the energy use for our country, so I know there are alternatives, I see it with my own eyes. A German company is doing a lot of the work mind you since they are providing the windmills. They're huge btw.

Here's a movie of the huge tanker bringing in the materials: www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-17022

I don't like if people like the OP just make random claims that are not substanciated because it doesn't benefit the mindset of going to clearner and renewable energy sources which are possible right now. 

There are a lot of alternatives, but its up to use to use them and make them efficient; Cool free energy from the sun, but when it costs 30 million to create sufficient energy from solar panels that are only 10% efficient - Its more practical to use fossil fuels.

We need to actively try to make us change our ways, projects like this (the tunnel) only make our dependence that much more deep rooted.

Looking at this from a perspective of human history, nothing will be done in the research of alternatives until alternatives are really needed. Until the oil is all gone, and we are walking everywhere we go, we are not going to put the time and money it requires to find an alternative. Don't look to government for an answer - one look at the national endowment for the arts will show what government money goes to support. Historically, people have almost always waited until 2 minutes to midnight before waking up to what needs to be done. It will get lots worse before it gets better.

wind mills are fine but they wont fix the problem right now.US,CHINA,INDIA, RUSSIA.need dat oil.Don't get me wrong lilly im for green,but we have vary big problem and the wind just will not fix it.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4254875.html?series=19