So i play a glass cannon, and have for several months now. One of the constants that I have ran into in scenarios and most open-world RvR events is that most healers simply do not heal. I do not understand why this is really. Warrior Priests (being insanely OP'd right now) seem to just jump into a crowd of 5-6 destro's and tear the place apart. DoKs are far more inclined to dish out pain than throw a heal to a Sorc standing right next to them.
 

Do these healers not realize they easily land #1 in PQs if you team with a DPS (especially a Sorc or BW with max darkmagic) and healhealheal? Do these healers not realize they get renown and XP in scenarios for healing?

I constantly see myself getting attacked, running back in front of a healer, and instead of healing....he attacks the guy who is pummeling me or simply ignored me. This often leads to death. I understand that healers are meant to do some damage as well, but PLEASE GOD for your own benefit and ours do your freakin job. Heal damn it, heal!

Eventually after being yelled at enough, these people are going to realize maybe they shouldn't be playing one of the few healer classes if they don't want to heal.

While i agree with you that healers need to take more active role in RvR, lets face it, fighting is more fun than playing heal bot...and the way RvR is going, everyone will need a heal every other second.

WAR would be more fun if healing powers didnt exist... it would make the battles more fun and productive.

Finally, the sad thing about PQs is that in order to get number 1 on everything...heres my lil secret, throw dots on everything that moves. Tab + DOT hotkey + Tab + DOT ...ect. Its very easy getting #1. I have yet to see an active healer get close to 1 without throwing out dots or curses left and right, regardless of your class.

ya theres a lot of DPS healers running around.  I tend to play in groups instead of going into scenerios and PQ's alone for that reason.  Healers in your group usually feel more inclined to heal.

Once they realize they score higher by doing what their role is suppose to be doing, you should see less of this.   It amazes me though how long someone will play a healer class solo in a PQ, not heal and bitch because theyre at the bottom of the stack.

Yeah, that's the ticket. Berate those dumb enough to play a healing class without knowing how to do it the "right" way. That'll make sure that nobody gets healed, except the healers. Way to shoot yourself in the foot. You guys will make it so that no one wants to play a healing class. From my observation, WAR has classes that can heal, but they are not straight healers.

If you have any hope of getting decent heals, you better show some restraint and patience while these folks learn their classes and how best to work with them.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

While i agree with you that healers need to take more active role in RvR, lets face it, fighting is more fun than playing heal bot...and the way RvR is going, everyone will need a heal every other second.

WAR would be more fun if healing powers didnt exist... it would make the battles more fun and productive.

Finally, the sad thing about PQs is that in order to get number 1 on everything...heres my lil secret, throw dots on everything that moves. Tab + DOT hotkey + Tab + DOT ...ect. Its very easy getting #1. I have yet to see an active healer get close to 1 without throwing out dots or curses left and right, regardless of your class.

You have a point, i never have landed outside the top 4-5 (often getting #1) just by throwing dots and spamming Surging Pain for most of the fight. Yet I had an interesting experience this Preview Weekend. I was doing Chapter 4 (lvl 12, level pacing is pissing me off a bit but that's another subject completely) and the CH 4 DE PQ is open enough where you can throw a few gloombursts and the seldom doombolt at the enemies and not have it go to waste. I was hammering away and eventually ended up kiting the Hero on the final stage. I did this twice in a row, I was obviously the highest damage dealer and landed #2 each time. The DoK, who was on me constantly healing, allowing me to keep my dark magic at max most of the fight, landed first both times.

Healers need to realize that not only do those you heal benefit, you greatly benefit by simply playing the role you chose. If you want to DPS, just go with a DPS class. If you play DoK, you better freakin heal along side DPS.

There are some people (including myself) that got pissed off enough to roll up a runie after being grouped with 3 and not recieving one heal... problem I was thinking is they get so caught up trying to do their shit DDs they forget their main purpose in the group... at that point imho you deserve to lose. Once the game is live and you can keep up with guilds and friends and not worry about the char wipe you can recruit some great healers.

Edit - Also for new healers, go to the options on the dispaly and turn on health bars above names. Also in scenarios it helps a TON to turn on the raid group window and use that instead for everyone in the BG. It's so much more effective than focusing on your group alone. The health bars over names is great for the spur of the moment skirmishes where you can visually see the fight infront of you and choose who needs healing mainly.

There are a lot of tricks, the game is still new and i'm hoping people will learn with time. WoW just ruined the group mindset for most people that had it as their first MMO.

It is a strange phenomena...I will never understand the thought process that goes "hmm I want to DPS, here let me roll a healer..."

I'm the opposite. I mainly focus on healing, and if I have time I use my crappy dots on people.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

While i agree with you that healers need to take more active role in RvR, lets face it, fighting is more fun than playing heal bot...and the way RvR is going, everyone will need a heal every other second.

WAR would be more fun if healing powers didnt exist... it would make the battles more fun and productive.

Finally, the sad thing about PQs is that in order to get number 1 on everything...heres my lil secret, throw dots on everything that moves. Tab + DOT hotkey + Tab + DOT ...ect. Its very easy getting #1. I have yet to see an active healer get close to 1 without throwing out dots or curses left and right, regardless of your class.

I disagree. I have a blast healing people during RvR and seeing how it effects the outcome of fights (typically turning in our favor) and that in itself is a great accomplishment for me and my realm. No one likes losing and there is no "I" in realm. ;)

I believe this problem will go away once retail hits. For now people are just going crazy and testing limits and being off their rocker because it's "only beta".

There will always be crappy examples of healers, but I think most of this will fix itself in time.

It's not like there is a restricted number of persons playing a certain class in a server. Then I would understand your concern. But since this is not the case, just imagine they are playing a DPS. It's not the class that makes a healer, but the will to heal.

A different thing is if you invite them in a group as healers.

I intend to play an Archmage and I will heal all those around me during Pvp. RvR, anything... It's just a mindset. Those people that just leave you to die and dps instead probably don't have much experience being a healer or don't even 'enjoy' healing but roll a healer to 'test its dps'. Do not despair, there will be plenty happy and experienced healers once the game officialy releases.

I've been playing a shaman, and all I've been doing is spamming my heals, even to people outside my group in RvR, and let me tell you, it is a ton of work to do. Many people may seem like they're not getting healed but guess what? You're not the only one on the battlefield taking damage. Healers are not the key to immortality, You will still die with a healer depending on the situation. If you don't like the healing situation... go roll a healer, maybe you'll appreciate them more. One thing I noticed is that in some scenarios... or maybe all, I can spam heals the entire fight and runepriests always score higher than me even when they're half my rank. I suppose runepriests are Orders pure healer and shaman is more of a hybrid? Maybe I'll go do more Chaos battles and see how high the Zealots score.

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Originally posted by altairzq
It's not like there is a restricted number of persons playing a certain class in a server. Then I would understand your concern. But since this is not the case, just imagine they are playing a DPS. It's not the class that makes a healer, but the will to heal.

A different thing is if you invite them in a group as healers.

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I am not in beta (I hate betas), but the standard is "I am DAMAGEDEALER and we have a healer so I can run anywhere I want and I will be healed! where is my heal???ß"
I mostly play healer or tank. But if a DD thinks that he has found a new hair on his breast, I better let him die.
I like PUGs though.

It just depends.  Right now in preview weekend i've found a couple things different than in closed beta.

1) Healers don't heal anywhere near as much.  I think a huge part of it is the shadow priest wowtards coming in.  Or people are just not used to having a combat and friendly target and actively healing.  When I am a healer I pick a friend before the fight, usually a Sorc or Bright Wizard, and I fight and keep them alive longer than me every time.  Over time people will realize this.  The biggest problem is on the destruction side.

2) Destruction side on the two servers I played doesn't give a crap about objectives.  They just Zerg.  I held off a group of 5 Order players at Lost Lagoon for over 10 minutes, shouting, regioning, and asking in my Warband of 22 for backup and no one came at all.  They just kept Zerging.  A small group of Order took all objectives in the RvR zone and our Zerg had theirs pushed back to their outpost.  They just didn't give a crap.  It wasn't like this at the other two RvR zones though so thank god for that.

These things make me glad that I am going to be going Order primarily.  I will have a couple of Destruction alts, but right now it seems like the people going Destruction aren't team players.  Still this will change over time.  No one likes to lose forever, and people will realize quickly that this isn't a game like WoW where you can run off solo and get things done.  Without teamwork you fail in this game, and that is what I love about it.  You just have to find a good team.

Healers dont heal.. bah its true for all MMO's ... WAR is not and wont be any different.

Same thing happens in WoW PVP, because you want to kill people; not keep them alive. Since all healer classes can also do damage in War, there's no real way to solve the problem.

I like to heal in PVP on my paladin though, nothing like causing some rage quits because they can't kill a priest with 4 people attacking it.

Its every man for himself

Damage wins a duel, healers win a battle ;)

Originally posted by Fikroc

I disagree. I have a blast healing people during RvR and seeing how it effects the outcome of fights (typically turning in our favor) and that in itself is a great accomplishment for me and my realm. No one likes losing and there is no "I" in realm. ;)

It has nothing to do with a lack of team work, but rather what people define as RvR battles. Battles usually involve fighting and we all know that the few who feel the desire to heal instead of fight during battles are the minority. Often times female.

With that said. If there were no healing, players would have to think more about approaching a rival force instead of run in, do damage, run back get healed, run back in do some damage, run back... Some classes dont even worry about dying if they have a healer on their ass. Even healers run into packs of players, cause some havok and are not worried cause they just heal themselves. If there were no healing powers, it would make the game more interesting as far as pvp battles go.

You can have 200 players vs 200 players. And if the first group has 30 healers and the other has only 10, out of those 200. The one with the lack of healers is a tad at a dissadvantage. While I know you disagree because its what you enjoy, coming from a player who likes to have healing powers myself, I understand its too easy to rely on them taking away from the fun part of WAR... FIGHTING.