Originally posted by ORLYBIRD

Originally posted by Xris375

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Xris375

A proof of life more than an update. But they are actually having an update once a month no, that is an increase if you look at the history.

A couple of comments;

"We take for granted sometimes that the Darkfall community is savvy enough to understand the limitations of independent game development and make allowances,"

I'm sorry Tasos, you take too much for granted.  The MMO mob rather wants you to lie to them...

"Nothing is scripted. We wanted to give you something that can put you in the true spirit of the game and this requires us to be actually playing the game like you would be, and not just taking you on a sightseeing tour or have a company make a marketing cinematic trailer for us."

Hehehe...remember FC's "Siegevideo" anyone ?

 Sorry Xris375 you Fail. Tasos has already been lyng to us ie "the video will be out next month". Oh and Remember last Sept when they said beta would be "soon" ?
 

Let me see.

Tasos said in july he expected the video will be out next month. Could that mean august ?
Is august over yet?

Tasos said this week, the video might be out next week. Could that mean next week?

Is next week over yet ?

 

so I supposed we;ll be seeing this amazing video on the 31'st of August at 11:59 pm than eh?

Afte they've finally managed to put something decent together from their unfinished buggy game client.

Hate to break the news to you Mr savvy. but IT DOES NOT TAKE A WHOLE MONTH TO PUT TOGETHER A VIDEO OF PEOPLE PLAYING A GAME.

unless of course you have one that is totally unfinished and buggy so that you need to constantly re record to get everything perectly right.

 

You seem to have the ability to predict if a game will be unfinished and buggy with no evidence what-so-ever. Why didn't i see you flaming Age of Conan before launch? Wasn't your crystal ball working then? And go back to your other alt, i like the witty avatar.

Originally posted by ORLYBIRD

Originally posted by Thoric485

You seem to have the ability to predict if a game will be unfinished and buggy with no evidence what-so-ever.

I have plenty of evidence. It's called 7 years of jack shit from Darkfall.

It's called developing on completely unproven untested technology.

It's called wanting to only have a few weeks of Beta.

It's called a bunch of amateurs trying to develop a game that seemingly has more features than World of Warcraft.

Add it all up and you come up with an incomplete bug ridden mess.

That's called speculating. Your theory is no better than the theory that Darkfall will be the MMO messiah. Until a beta starts no one really knows.

Originally posted by Thoric485

That's called speculating. Your theory is no better than the theory that Darkfall will be the MMO messiah.

Sure it is because my theory is rooted in common sense and based on all the available information it holds much more water than the theory that Darkfall will be the next messiah.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Maglubiyet Be nice if those who really were complaining were actually Forumfall vets. Most of them have been here for a year and feel they have been waiting to long. If you want to talk to real Forumfall vets you won't see any of them in this thread. I've been lurking for many years. Anytime I see the developers qualify a statement with the word "soon" or something similar, I think, here we go again. Really, we simply cannot believe anything Tasos says until we see it. We've had too many broken promises, too many developer journals unfulfilled. I look forward to the video - if it's actually coming - and to the content it provides us - if it's actually comprehensive - and to the excitement it will stir up for the impending beta - if the game is actually feature complete.

Originally posted by ORLYBIRD

Originally posted by Thoric485

That's called speculating. Your theory is no better than the theory that Darkfall will be the MMO messiah.

Sure it is because my theory is rooted in common sense and based on all the available information it holds much more water than the theory that Darkfall will be the next messiah.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Maglubiyet Be nice if those who really were complaining were actually Forumfall vets. Most of them have been here for a year and feel they have been waiting to long. If you want to talk to real Forumfall vets you won't see any of them in this thread. I've been lurking for many years. Anytime I see the developers qualify a statement with the word "soon" or something similar, I think, here we go again. Really, we simply cannot believe anything Tasos says until we see it. We've had too many broken promises, too many developer journals unfulfilled. I look forward to the video - if it's actually coming - and to the content it provides us - if it's actually comprehensive - and to the excitement it will stir up for the impending beta - if the game is actually feature complete.

You are trying to prove that the official forums are not filled only with fanbois but also sceptics due to the many delays, who just tag along and see what happens instead of being whiney bitches having a makeshift crusade of truth against the evil Tasos?

Relax. Tasos will soon deliver the goods to you.

Originally posted by ORLYBIRD

Relax. Tasos will soon deliver the goods to you.

the point is we will get a vid... ussly they dont even tells us 

and if it isnt what taso says its going to be you really think your going to have to keep trying so hard to debunk df? alot of people are riding on this vid. if its not what tasos says it is ill have my other games not  abig deal to me

Originally posted by ORLYBIRD

 

so I supposed we;ll be seeing this amazing video on the 31'st of August at 11:59 pm than eh?

Afte they've finally managed to put something decent together from their unfinished buggy game client.

Hate to break the news to you Mr savvy. but IT DOES NOT TAKE A WHOLE MONTH TO PUT TOGETHER A VIDEO OF PEOPLE PLAYING A GAME.

unless of course you have one that is totally unfinished and buggy so that you need to constantly re record to get everything perectly right.

 

Aventurine has been very clear that they will prioritize actually developing their game rather than do PR stuff. Why is it taking a long time ? Perchance the dude that got the task of making it also have more important things to do first ? Maybe he have 30 min or something each day to work on it and going through 1T of video and editing it, takes time ? Maybe the music guy needs more time ? Speculation ? Sure but just as plausible as yours.
 

Anyhow...

I'm not that exited about the video, a video doesn't prove anything, right ?

I'm looking forward to test the actual game and make up my own mind

sigh

this forum is very depressing to try to read...

...every announcement seems to just be of an announcement...

why don't they at least let a select few beta testers into the game even if unfinished?

Originally posted by Xris375

Originally posted by ORLYBIRD

 

so I supposed we;ll be seeing this amazing video on the 31'st of August at 11:59 pm than eh?

Afte they've finally managed to put something decent together from their unfinished buggy game client.

 

Hate to break the news to you Mr savvy. but IT DOES NOT TAKE A WHOLE MONTH TO PUT TOGETHER A VIDEO OF PEOPLE PLAYING A GAME.

 

unless of course you have one that is totally unfinished and buggy so that you need to constantly re record to get everything perectly right.

 

Aventurine has been very clear that they will prioritize actually developing their game rather than do PR stuff. Why is it taking a long time ? Perchance the dude that got the task of making it also have more important things to do first ? Maybe he have 30 min or something each day to work on it and going through 1T of video and editing it, takes time ? Maybe the music guy needs more time ? Speculation ? Sure but just as plausible as yours.
 

Anyhow...

I'm not that exited about the video, a video doesn't prove anything, right ?

I'm looking forward to test the actual game and make up my own mind

A competent company can do both no matter the size. If your marketing group has more important things to do than actually market your product, you fail. The 1TB of content works both ways. If they had so much time to gather that much data, they could have spent 10% of that time collecting only 900GB of data and produce a movie.

More content does not necessarily mean a better movie. I think 100 - 200GB would have been sufficient enough to make a decent movie compared to what they have released to date.

Originally posted by atziluth

Originally posted by Xris375

Originally posted by ORLYBIRD

 

so I supposed we;ll be seeing this amazing video on the 31'st of August at 11:59 pm than eh?

Afte they've finally managed to put something decent together from their unfinished buggy game client.

 

Hate to break the news to you Mr savvy. but IT DOES NOT TAKE A WHOLE MONTH TO PUT TOGETHER A VIDEO OF PEOPLE PLAYING A GAME.

 

unless of course you have one that is totally unfinished and buggy so that you need to constantly re record to get everything perectly right.

 

Aventurine has been very clear that they will prioritize actually developing their game rather than do PR stuff. Why is it taking a long time ? Perchance the dude that got the task of making it also have more important things to do first ? Maybe he have 30 min or something each day to work on it and going through 1T of video and editing it, takes time ? Maybe the music guy needs more time ? Speculation ? Sure but just as plausible as yours.
 

Anyhow...

I'm not that exited about the video, a video doesn't prove anything, right ?

I'm looking forward to test the actual game and make up my own mind

A competent company can do both no matter the size. If your marketing group has more important things to do than actually market your product, you fail. The 1TB of content works both ways. If they had so much time to gather that much data, they could have spent 10% of that time collecting only 900GB of data and produce a movie.

More content does not necessarily mean a better movie. I think 100 - 200GB would have been sufficient enough to make a decent movie compared to what they have released to date.

Do not mask incompetence with work ethics.

 

they could if they chose too dont understand why you cant understand this ...
 

Originally posted by downtoearth

they could if they chose too dont understand why you cant understand this ...
 

and they don't choose to because????????????????????????

Originally posted by GMny

Originally posted by downtoearth

they could if they chose too dont understand why you cant understand this ...
 

 

and they don't choose to because????????????????????????

because game dev > pr

Originally posted by atziluth

A competent company can do both no matter the size. If your marketing group has more important things to do than actually market your product, you fail. The 1TB of content works both ways. If they had so much time to gather that much data, they could have spent 10% of that time collecting only 900GB of data and produce a movie.

More content does not necessarily mean a better movie. I think 100 - 200GB would have been sufficient enough to make a decent movie compared to what they have released to date.

Do not mask incompetence with work ethics.

 

 This new video is something they will put together out of the material they have from playtesting the game. Aye, they is playtesting the game and thats what they prioritate. This video isnt something that have been hi on their priority list. Tasos informed us that in an earlier update. They had more important stuff to take care of first. And i do think the Developers have more knowledge in whats important then some random boardwriter with no insight whatsoever in the game. =)

 http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=60100

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=57888

 [QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras - We're working on two fronts, development and publishing.
Development is mainly focused around testing and fixing bugs. We're also optimizing client and servers. We're playtesting a lot, we've also logged many hours of large battles and we're very excited with what we're experiencing. While playtesting we're getting a lot of video footage that's going to end up in a video we'll be releasing next month so you'll get an idea of what we've been talking about.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras - We've started collecting in-game footage for a video update which is taking a while being low in the immediate priorities list, but moving along [/QUOTE]

Theres no secret at all where Aventurines policy on prioritating lies - its been stated many, many times. Develop the game and make it as good as possible, just as it should be. No AoC hyping from Darkfall Devs and i sure do applaud them for it. If game is good people will play it, its really as simple as that.

Having costly advertising campaigns as a smaller indy company isnt credible. And it would take funds and staff from whats really important. Gamedeveloping owns PR every day.

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/2813-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-21-Community-Q-A

[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras - Giant budgets and giant advertising campaigns demand giant paydays. We definitely don't need to be a World of Warcraft killer to be successful, but the same may not be true about some of the other games in development. When faced with the question of budget allocation we decided that it's more important for us to first make as good a game as possible and then to market it on its merit. The opposite doesn't work in the long run, and quality would be compromised by taking some of the development resources and throwing them into marketing so we're betting everything on our strength. We couldn't compete with some of the large titles when it comes to marketing since it all comes down to dollars and cents, but we can still make one hell of a game. [/QUOTE]

Awww my first post or so, almost exaiting ^_^...

I dont follow forums that much but i wonder a couple of things after reading this thread about the game i hope it will be good.

a) why people get so angry or frustrated about the developing fase? I remember old time game (very good one too) the Devs. never had to come to show ME what they were doing and i never expected them to keep me informed about anything... this lead to point B

b) Do the Devs. own u something? did you pay money for some reason to them to have some preview or some videos? Will they force you to buy the game or did they force you to buy stock market of their company? so why are you all so fired up with them? They "promised" a video... (this lead to point C)

c) everything they do to show us whats going on is a plus, something they dont have to do, and even if they say "i will show you something next mounth" they dont put is as highest priority if some extra bug come out and they have to focus on finding a solution would u care more about having your "special video" (that means nothing) or you would prefear that they focus, if they need to, first on the real game that is actually what you are paying for if you will buy the game?

The video is a video of the game so if the game had a nasty problem they could of course make the video the same (as most company) and cut the part with the problem, just to meet the "PROMISE" but perhaps they rather fix the game first and make the video once is fixed... this is just to answer to people that say have couple of person making a video etcetc...

People that critics before to spend money are all whiners in my opinion you dont give them money they dont have to give you nothing... all the rest is just "learn to wait" if you want a decent game all the screaming and crying bring us game like AOC and WAR well done whiners please try to dont ruin this one too

 apologize my english, it is not my first language

Originally posted by Pekish79

Awww my first post or so, almost exaiting ^_^...

I dont follow forums that much but i wonder a couple of things after reading this thread about the game i hope it will be good.

a) why people get so angry or frustrated about the developing fase? I remember old time game (very good one too) the Devs. never had to come to show ME what they were doing and i never expected them to keep me informed about anything... this lead to point B

b) Do the Devs. own u something? did you pay money for some reason to them to have some preview or some videos? Will they force you to buy the game or did they force you to buy stock market of their company? so why are you all so fired up with them? They "promised" a video... (this lead to point C)

c) everything they do to show us whats going on is a plus, something they dont have to do, and even if they say "i will show you something next mounth" they dont put is as highest priority if some extra bug come out and they have to focus on finding a solution would u care more about having your "special video" (that means nothing) or you would prefear that they focus, if they need to, first on the real game that is actually what you are paying for if you will buy the game?

The video is a video of the game so if the game had a nasty problem they could of course make the video the same (as most company) and cut the part with the problem, just to meet the "PROMISE" but perhaps they rather fix the game first and make the video once is fixed... this is just to answer to people that say have couple of person making a video etcetc...

People that critics before to spend money are all whiners in my opinion you dont give them money they dont have to give you nothing... all the rest is just "learn to wait" if you want a decent game all the screaming and crying bring us game like AOC and WAR well done whiners please try to dont ruin this one too

 apologize my english, it is not my first language

/QFT.

This is a very good first post if i ever saw one.

Your absolutely right in everything your saying. UO as an example was developed without just about any PR. And it was a smashing success in that time period.

Develop the game as good as you can first then do some PR. If a game is good it will live on its own strength.

Originally posted by Pekish79

Awww my first post or so, almost exaiting ^_^...

I dont follow forums that much but i wonder a couple of things after reading this thread about the game i hope it will be good.

a) why people get so angry or frustrated about the developing fase? I remember old time game (very good one too) the Devs. never had to come to show ME what they were doing and i never expected them to keep me informed about anything... this lead to point B

b) Do the Devs. own u something? did you pay money for some reason to them to have some preview or some videos? Will they force you to buy the game or did they force you to buy stock market of their company? so why are you all so fired up with them? They "promised" a video... (this lead to point C)

c) everything they do to show us whats going on is a plus, something they dont have to do, and even if they say "i will show you something next mounth" they dont put is as highest priority if some extra bug come out and they have to focus on finding a solution would u care more about having your "special video" (that means nothing) or you would prefear that they focus, if they need to, first on the real game that is actually what you are paying for if you will buy the game?

The video is a video of the game so if the game had a nasty problem they could of course make the video the same (as most company) and cut the part with the problem, just to meet the "PROMISE" but perhaps they rather fix the game first and make the video once is fixed... this is just to answer to people that say have couple of person making a video etcetc...

People that critics before to spend money are all whiners in my opinion you dont give them money they dont have to give you nothing... all the rest is just "learn to wait" if you want a decent game all the screaming and crying bring us game like AOC and WAR well done whiners please try to dont ruin this one too

 apologize my english, it is not my first language

The devs don't have to tell us anything. But they don't have to lie to us either. And they have been lying to us constantly for the last 5 years. That isn't acceptable for anyone

well then we probabily l dont agree about the meaning of "lie"

to me I "lie" when I say something but I already "know" that is going to be different or that IS  different

"shit happen" is when you are almost sure about something then something else (indipendent from your wish and not expected at all) come to you and you cant meet exactly what you said you would have done and you have to delay it.

I have to say (since i work in the computer field too) that with computer "shit happen" a lot and i  dont think I "lie" to my boss when I say: "I will do it by tomorrow" then tomorrow come and it is not ready yet. It is most likely an "unfortunally delay".

Probabily he shouldnt have had promised it in frist place (and probabily he wouldnt have done it as he usually didnt, we dont see many of this type of promise in the last 5 years) if the pressure on the game were not getting higher and higher! And under pressure people more easily then not make mistakes.

Originally posted by ghoul31

 

The devs don't have to tell us anything. But they don't have to lie to us either. And they have been lying to us constantly for the last 5 years. That isn't acceptable for anyone

 

Personally i havent seen one lie from the Darkfall Developers during this 5-year time period.

Can you show me some quotes where they deliberatly lie to us fans?

I believe the update and I am still  very confident the game will be released...whether  it is the PVP Sandbox dream some of us have been waiting  for I can't say .I don't think I'll ever be disappointed again by an MMO after the disaster that is AOC

For me if Darkfall is released and its as good the Dev's say then it's a bonus ...if not I'll continue playing Vanguard,Everquest 2 and UO which I enjoy and keep me very occupied :)

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by ghoul31

 

The devs don't have to tell us anything. But they don't have to lie to us either. And they have been lying to us constantly for the last 5 years. That isn't acceptable for anyone

 

 

Personally i havent seen one lie from the Darkfall Developers during this 5-year time period.

Can you show me some quotes where they deliberatly lie to us fans?

 

Seeing as how you adamantly believe everything said to you by Tasos and/or Adventurine. I doubt you would believe it regardless, Aragon.