Originally posted by Shard101

DAoC is way better ,imo.

 

Someone who plays 1 hr a day can achieve the same as someone who plays 20 hrs a day.

I believe you should get out of MMO's what you put into them.

 

I can play Counterstrike and get the same PVP fix.

 

Watered down (easymode) RVR is not my idea of a good pvp end game in a MMO. WoW was absurd ,I can understand that but, WAR is absurd in that some nobody joe that plays a few times a week for an hr is the same as you in just a few more days if that.

 

 At least in DAoC you had to earn RR. WAR is fair to everyone and thus it dumbs down RVR ,imo.

 

Everyone is the same!      Its gonna boil down to what class is FOTM and youll have full Battlegrps of them.

They built it this way cause they think its easier to balance out PVP ,what they have done instead is dumb the endgame down.

 

Please please dont play WAR and please go back to DAOC. I will be delighted not tp play with people with your gaming philosophy.

The OP's post is why I am thrilled that there are no official forums for WAR.

Originally posted by Shard101

Originally posted by Kordesh

Ignore the OP. Either this is a troll, or just someone not worth listening to. Min/maxing little twit. Boohoo, can't wave around my epeen because I play 24/7. You wouldn't contribute anything to the game anyway. It's a team based game, and you're clearly only concerned with yourself.

 

Counterstrike is teambased game albeit a FPS but, its free..

 

 

The easymode selfsuficient classes they made for WAR seems to be pretty selfish to and not teambased.

They had to dumbdown class/combat mechanics for the noobs. The same noobs who would be standing out front of Drum Ligen and Frontiers DL or SF begging for a grp and not getting one.

 

 

I'm in a 200 man Guild for WAR, Im just wondering how long its gonna be before it gets borring.

Hah - the more people like you say things like this the more I like the sound of this game.

You use the word noobs? Hahahahaha!

Originally posted by Shard101

 

Someone who plays 1 hr a day can achieve the same as someone who plays 20 hrs a day.

Try not to exaggerate so much then people might listen to you.

However I understand the concerns you so inelegantly expressed, I just don't happen to agree. I am a hardcore player, I will be putting a lot of time into this game (probably too much..). The problem is that most of my friends will not or cannot do the same. Yet I still want to play with them. Making the game accessable for them I fully agree with.

Besides a casual player will not be able to do all the things a hardcore person can do to improve their character, it just isn't possible. The difference with War is that that hardcore player's toon will not outrageously outclass the casuals. The difference will be noticable but not game breaking. That is fine with me also. In fact I applaud this decision by Mythic.

WoW has already shown what happens when you create a elitist class system that belittles casual players. It isn't pretty and I want nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by Kaelaan21

Originally posted by LordBANG

Well seeing as you get 5 more mastery points and we able to pick more stats and resists, plus special armor dyes along with trophys for your armor. And various other rewards for getting up there,  I think it will be well worth it, it dosen't need to be a stat increase, the top players will get statues with thier names on it in the city, and i'm sure there will be alot more bonuses to be had.

 

Ah hah! I forgot about that. In addition, there is a low level quest that has new players polish the plaques of the statues of the top players as well. Now, if that doesn't rub the OP's ePeen the right way, I'm not sure anything will.

wow - this is great. ie rewards for no lifers, which dont skew gameplay. seems Mythic have hit the nail on the head.

Originally posted by Philss

Originally posted by Shard101

DAoC is way better ,imo.

 

Someone who plays 1 hr a day can achieve the same as someone who plays 20 hrs a day.

I believe you should get out of MMO's what you put into them.

 

I can play Counterstrike and get the same PVP fix.

 

Watered down (easymode) RVR is not my idea of a good pvp end game in a MMO. WoW was absurd ,I can understand that but, WAR is absurd in that some nobody joe that plays a few times a week for an hr is the same as you in just a few more days if that.

 

 At least in DAoC you had to earn RR. WAR is fair to everyone and thus it dumbs down RVR ,imo.

 

Everyone is the same!      Its gonna boil down to what class is FOTM and youll have full Battlegrps of them.

They built it this way cause they think its easier to balance out PVP ,what they have done instead is dumb the endgame down.

 

 

SO there no reknown rank in WAR ????

Does reknown go down or only up?  This might be a crucial point for a lot of people, otherwise there is no competition.

Up, its like another level system.

It's funny to me that the OP was out to slam WAR's RvR and just WAR in general but because of his ridiculous outlook on gaming it has turned into a very positive post about WAR that is showing more and more people why WAR is such a great game.  GG OP.

Originally posted by Shard101

 

I'm in a 200 man Guild for WAR, Im just wondering how long its gonna be before it gets borring.

Then why play? You clearly do not like the game and its premise? Why spend the money and attempt to play it if you hate it from the beginning?

Just don't come back after launch and post about how much you hate the game.

My advice: don't like it, don't play it.

Originally posted by ProfRed

It's funny to me that the OP was out to slam WAR's RvR and just WAR in general but because of his ridiculous outlook on gaming it has turned into a very positive post about WAR that is showing more and more people why WAR is such a great game.  GG OP.

Just goes to show that negative posts can't ruin a genuinely good game. They can only accelerate the death of bad ones.

My honest opinon is that although this game is probably well made and polished it won't have very much lasting appeal.

The pvp sounds like a school sports day where they everyone gets a gold medal regardless of what position they finish. 

Granted you have cities to siege, but as far I'm aware they reset on their own without the original owners having to fight to get them back.

There is no way to differentiate yourself from anyone else as renown only goes up, so no matter how bad you are at pvp you will eventually get to level 80 and be the same as someone who is truly talented.

With no competition where does the replayability come from?

What does this game have to keep people playing for more than a couple of months?

Originally posted by Blodpls

My honest opinon is that although this game is probably well made and polished it won't have very much lasting appeal.

The pvp sounds like a school sports day where they everyone gets a gold medal regardless of what position they finish. 

Granted you have cities to siege, but as far I'm aware they reset on their own without the original owners having to fight to get them back.

There is no way to differentiate yourself from anyone else as renown only goes up, so no matter how bad you are at pvp you will eventually get to level 80 and be the same as someone who is truly talented.

With no competition where does the replayability come from?

What does this game have to keep people playing for more than a couple of months?

 

 

 

 

truly talented yada yada yada

this all sounds great to me right now...

the more arguments old style MMO players marshal against this game the more attractive it seems to a time limited father of two working stiff like me

Originally posted by Shard101

Originally posted by jayanti

I get what the OP is saying, BUT... I can't see where the problem is with it.

So, if I am a skilled player, who has a job, a family and a whole plethora of other life commitments, which in turn only allow me to play for a few hours a day, I will still, using my skill, be on a level footing with the unemployed guy who spends all day and night logged in and playing, right?

Surely thats how a balanced game should be, and where MMO's have all failed so far, especially in a PVP enviroment. Why should you, a skilled player with less time to play, have to log in and assume you will be beaten hands down by a less skilled player just becuase he or she happens to have 40 friends who all spent the last 3 days sat in a raid dungeon and happened to loot the "Big Old Uber Sword of Player Hacking"?

In a GOOD MMO, the skill of the player would determine the outcome of a fight, not the dedication or real life circumstances of the players.

 

 

quit bringing raids into this. I could give a crap less about them. I played WoW for 2 months , I don't think I qualify as a fanboi.

 

I just find it hard to believe that gear won't matter. It mattered in DAoC ,why not WAR?

I'm not sure what exactly you mean, there will always be hard to get items.  Even in WAR there will be items you have to go that extra mile to get that most people wont.  I fail to see your argument, unless you are talking purely about Reknown.  Personally I think that Mythic has it right this time around, Reknown abilities do help, and do give an edge.  But they are by no means necessary to play in the pool.

And..

Uh did we play the same DAoC?

Yeah, gear mattered late late in the game, but everyone wound up wearing pretty much the same spellcrafted stuff which was pretty easy to get, or ToA Artifacts, which everybody hated.  You'll also notice that most of the populated servers left, have no ToA and they are even opening up 'Classic' servers that pretty much negate what all the expansions, which are proving to be wildly popular.

In the beginning of DAoC though, gear was pretty irrelevant.  Sure it helped, but not nearly as much as it does now.

So the OP is saying this game will be balanced, and he is upset that he won't have a Hammer of OneShot?

Sounds like my kind of game!

What's the matter OP? Can't rely on gear or overpowered realm abilities to pwn n00bs? Awwwww....

Originally posted by M1sf1t

The OP's post is why I am thrilled that there are no official forums for WAR.

You really think that matters?

Hide the games flaws from the public and people wont eventually know?

Watch what happens :D  they will flood all the major sites just because they cant post on their home page.

It does seems alittle strange they do not have an official forums though guess they learned from the last several releases of MMO's that they might last longer if the players have a harder time talking to each other.

In the end?

What ever truths that need to be told about the game will be revealed and you will end up with your fans just like the rest of the MMO's who have come out since WoW.

Just remember this is not  WoW and never will be.

The OP was probably one of the people that pushed Mythic to release ToA.

"I ned meh lewtz!"

Originally posted by UberKnot

Originally posted by M1sf1t

The OP's post is why I am thrilled that there are no official forums for WAR.

 

You really think that matters?

Hide the games flaws from the public and people wont eventually know?

Watch what happens :D  they will flood all the major sites just because they cant post on their home page.

 

It does seems alittle strange they do not have an official forums though guess they learned from the last several releases of MMO's that they might last longer if the players have a harder time talking to each other.

 

In the end?

What ever truths that need to be told about the game will be revealed and you will end up with your fans just like the rest of the MMO's who have come out since WoW.

Just remember this is not  WoW and never will be.

Yeah, the truth will always be known, so why waste money and resources putting up with the bull that official forums have? They're 95% flame and 5% useful. I'd rather Mythic aim their focus more on the game than on trying to control official forums.

Originally posted by UberKnot

Originally posted by M1sf1t

The OP's post is why I am thrilled that there are no official forums for WAR.

 

You really think that matters?

Hide the games flaws from the public and people wont eventually know?

Watch what happens :D  they will flood all the major sites just because they cant post on their home page.

 

It does seems alittle strange they do not have an official forums though guess they learned from the last several releases of MMO's that they might last longer if the players have a harder time talking to each other.

 

In the end?

What ever truths that need to be told about the game will be revealed and you will end up with your fans just like the rest of the MMO's who have come out since WoW.

Just remember this is not  WoW and never will be.

Another AoC fanboy hoping WAR will fail.  Sorry your game sucks little buddy.

I could make a similar argument in saying we're all the same in that we all pay the same price to play on one account. Just because you log more hours doesn't make you a better player just look at WoW tons of people log many hours, a number of which are spent sitting in the major hubs jumping around like an idiot whereas others get things done in only a few hours. Invested time doesn't mean a thing unless you put it to good use.