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8/21/08 12:34:32 AM#41
After coming back to EQ II for the free month, then paying for one month I have just cancelled my account (again). No I'm not going to start a "I hate EQII" post.. The reason I cancelled had to do with the cost of the game (in particular why are Australians changed AUD$22.99 when with the current exchange rate the US$14.99 comes out more like AUS$16.00). The response I got from that question was varied depending on who in support answered.... from "there is a lag with the exchange rate" er, it would have to be something like a 5 year lag. To, "GST is added", which can't be right, I don't really see Sony filling out an Australian BAS form, and even so that's just 10%. And, maybe just a bit closer to the truth, "to stop US players from saying they are from Australia and avoiding tax".
But anyway, getting back to tropic… I stop playing EQ II not long after it was released due to the difficulty of soloing and the “slowness” of progression. Electing to play a Templar mainly solo maybe didn’t help.
When I was told about the free month’s return event I decided to try it again and was surprised to find it a much better game. In fact so many new things have been added the only really issue I had was trying to understand everything. If it wasn’t for the cost I would still be playing (instead I’ve returned to COH).
My point is that most people who quit don’t hate the game, and the people that post on forums that say they do are in the minority. My one suggestion would be have a detail exit survey for when people cancelled; you will get more relevant information for such a survey then reading the forums.
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8/21/08 1:05:12 AM#42
Ive been an avid fan of EQ from the times of Kunark, and decided to play EQ2 way later from its release due to being addicted to WoW for some time. The only thing I just couldnt get buy was the performance, The BSOD (Blue Screens Of Death) just destroyed my game-play experience, It most likely was my system spec, but friends of mine with different systems were having the same problem ,with alot of others. Besides that EQ2 was pretty fun and maybe one day will decide to try it yet again. |
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8/21/08 5:23:07 AM#43
How precisely is Everquest 2 a World of Warcraft "knockoff?" Wasn't Everquest 2 released first? “The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.” |
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8/21/08 6:08:04 AM#44
Originally posted by Miustus
It sure was but only about a week. To WoW fanbois everything is a WoW "Knockoff". As I see it EQ2 and WoW both borrowed from Asheron's Call. |
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8/21/08 6:38:43 AM#45
Originally posted by Miustus
Yep, SOE released the Beta version to the public, 2 weeks before Wow to get the jump on Blizzard. Unfortunately it took them a year to get the game out of beta, during which time they made a number of adjustments to make it more Wow like.
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8/21/08 4:24:40 PM#46
That quote jumped out at me (it's in caps and red afterall...) and that seems to be a common complaint of SoE but didn't World of Warcraft do the same thing? It's been a while since that happened, but I was on a business trip at the time and came back to a different game and whining guildmates. MMMOGs are "living entities" in a sense and do evolve and change. The EverQuest of 9 years ago isn't the EverQuest of today. The same applies for Ultima Online (they have Elves! Horror of horrors!) Of course the SWG NGE is the HUGE black mark on SoE's report card and they do have more games published and are hence a larger target. The only constant is change. Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com or its management. |
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8/21/08 5:21:19 PM#47
The more things change, the more they stay the same, eh? “The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.” |
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Wizardry
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Joined: 8/27/04
Remove quests,bosses and trigger them back in is called Dynamic events now?lol..i think not. |
8/21/08 8:32:48 PM#48
Originally posted by brostyn
Well sir.nobody can tell you different,it is your decision and all that matters .We can not sit here and tell you that you must like the game nope.HOWEVER :D..everything you say you dislike about EQ2 is EXACTLY the same things you will see in 99% of all other MMORPG's and in most cases ,far worse.So what exactly is your point?that all MMORPG's are done badly?that i could accept,but targeting one game for that sort of displeasure is extremely unjust.Souless? again i don't get that one,EQ2 has more LORE than any game out there,that gives a game soul, character and meaning. I will agree with there not being many players anymore to group and do fun stuff,but that is not a game design fault.I mean after all,the majority have chosen to play the exact same game in WOW but they get to enjoy a 12 colour palette for textures lol.People move to various games for many weird reasons a lot it being mere followers of there friends or just joining a game that claims to have a lot of players.Nowadays there is a much larger contingent joining F2P games,just because they have given up hope on finding that perfect game. For myself if EQ2 had FFXI's battle system and dual class ability i would never search for another game ever.It would be IMO the perfect game. http://www.youtube.com/user/Napolianboo#p/u/15/rCYLLQCNc1w |
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8/22/08 11:58:22 AM#49
I believe the hate is mainly due to the game one loved be changed to resemble something else - like SWG got "WoWified". And as these changed games persist, the players that used to love them can persist with their hate. But what I don't get is them replying to threads that have absolutely nothing to do with them (like a newbie asking for help) just to trash that game. To me, it's a bitter person, blinded by hate, wanting to drag everyone around them to the bottom of the pit where they find themselves.
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8/23/08 12:47:49 AM#50
I got game few days ago after playing list mediocre MMOs before EQ2 and I love it , it has so much content that equals at least 10 overhyped MMOs right now on the market, just got lv 20 and had a blast, didnt notice a problem with grouping and comunity is awesome |
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8/23/08 10:04:20 AM#51
I have played EQ2 on and off since launch. I have tried every other major fantasy based mmorpg that has come out since and I keep going back to EQ2. Say what you want about it, it is a great game. Sure, there are things I would change, but there is far more to like about it than any other mmorpg I have tried so far. The community, the player base, puts all others to shame as far as atmosphere and friendliness are concerned. I see people here bashing it left and right everytime something positive is said about it and have to wonder how many of them played it for more than a week. i see now that most of it is spawned by a hatred of SOE in general. This game, or any other produced by SOE, will never get a fair shake from most of negative posters here. I have had issues with some of the things SOE has done myself, but I'm not going to let it ruin a good game for me. For those of you who tried it and just didn't like it, I can respect that. |
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8/23/08 10:11:27 AM#52
Originally posted by PapaLazarou
Hey, kid... welcome to MMO's. These are not problems inherent in SOE. Please stop. Go play a game more to your liking and stop bashing it every chance you get. It just makes you look bad. My website is closed temporarily. Hopefully it will only be a short delay. |
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8/24/08 10:17:33 PM#53
Originally posted by goemoe I have to /agree wholeheartedly! I've been with EQ2 since launch and it's still the fantasy game I come back to after trying all of the big guns out there. WoW, LotRO, AoC, DAoC, Vanguard, FFXI, etc... IMHO no other MMO meets what EQ2 has done in the past 4 years; including it's predecessor that spawned it! Plain and simple. |
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12/02/08 4:09:16 PM#54
Well I don't think it is only SOE, but I really think the target market of MMO's is what makes new generation MMO's nothing like the original Everquest or Final Fantasy XI. Games produced today are for the less hardcore which leaves very little challenge to do anything. AoC and Warhammer are great examples of MMOs recently released that are just too easy. I work 8 hours a day just like any typical person, but I was able to complete cap level before even my account could even finish the first months free trial. This leaves me with a game that I would say "I have essentially defeated". Even back when I use to play WoW, I spent a year getting a full set of raid gear. Many people may not be inclined to do guild raids for bosses or actually spend time to get somewhere in the game - but I personally think that is what makes a MMO great. When everyone and their mom can have the best epic gear in the game, what is the point? If you can have end character progression before even the end of the first month, you are leaving very little game left to play. I really think this industry is already over-saturated with games for casual players. How about making a game more challenging. I honestly don't want to be cap level till a year later after picking up the game (Like EQ1). I want to spend 5 to 6 hours just to clear through a dungeon's wing and I really hope it would take atleast 20-30 people to do so. Without these challenges, all you will see are reproductions of failures like AoC, Tabula Rasa, and new iterations of once good MMOs (like WoW or EQ2). I dunno if anyone else has put together a trend, but every mmo that majority of the populace would or have said has been good was difficult and took time (original EQ, FFXI, original WoW) with the only negative complains from the people that don't want to put in the time to get raids working. I think MMO companies need to make games that last, instead of the instant gratification that can be gained from playing Gears of War or Left 4 Dead. Until a game that really matters comes out I guess, I am sitting in a station in Eve waiting for my skill to go up I suppose (which is the complete opposite of the spectrum and I still think the game is a bit too slow =\)
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12/02/08 4:19:49 PM#55
SOE and their list of shit mmorpgs...
Everquest sucks because it's a bland generic world with horrible graphics and character models. Also all the zoning makes the world feel soo fake and ruins the immersion so that in turn makes me not give a shit about exploring it and so I don't. It doesn't help that SOE often just make empty rooms and stick a few mobs in there and calls it new raid content lol. Oh yeh and the combat of EQ2 sucks and the PVP isn't good and for me all online games need some sorta good PVP.
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12/02/08 4:28:59 PM#56
I'm not part of the SOE hater club myself but they do tend to make alot of decisions that tick me off. While I didn't play SWG I had contemplated it until they destroyed it and rolled it into a game that was uglier than its beta form. Hence I won't play SWG. I loved EQ1 it was challenging but fun, I could do things solo but often needed a group to really dig into a good spot to hunt or try to figure out hidden things. Like many games of its time it had pretty much nothing to help you with groups etc but there were always people it wasn't hard to find a good group and get yourself into a guild just by hanging around. EQ2 was several times harder and made it impossible to do just about anything solo in the early levels with their group system completely crap and horrible system requirements it really hurt the game during its first few months. The Guild system was one of its few awsome features that worked for the most part right at launch but the fact they had such a pretty guild interface ready made it really alienating for people who were coming into the game without an existing friend base. It needed some of the changes that happened but alot of the recent changes like faster leveling & xp, class changes that removed what made making and progressing them a thoughtful process, and the overwhelming and unncessary crafting nerfs sealed the reason I havent' ever fully committed to the game. I went back and forth for a while enjoying the game but just couldn't bring myself to commit which is sad. Maybe someday I'll go back just to have some fun but I'll never feel the love and dedication to the game as I did with its previous incarnation or even EQ1. SOE has the capability to make good games they just have to many greedy overlords. |
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12/03/08 12:11:25 AM#57
SOE has earned it's hate for good reasons. EQ2 is an actual decent game though. Sadly, it'd probably have 3x the subs if their publisher weren't SOE, and the leader NOT Smed...
Play the NGE TC(s)G</a>! It's Free! Its Fun! http://sturly.com/qd2 I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com |
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