Before you jump in and start yelling at me because of the title of this form take a minute to consider the following. PVP in most MMO's today is unrewarding and frankly pretty boring after a couple of years, months, weeks, or days depending on your attention span and how long you can put up with being unrewarded. I make the contention that in the current environment that you could switch from playing an mmo to an fps and get the same reward.

To give you a little bit of my history... I played Ultima Online(UO) about a million years ago. To be more specific I played in '98 and '99 on a few servers (Pacific, Abyss, and Siege Perilous). For those of you who played UO, I had many characters as well ranging from a 7x-GM perma red to a pack mule miner/smith. I played non-stop PVP for hours and hours, and for those of you who didn't play UO, I made tons of in-game cash. UO, when I played, allowed you to loot bodies of anyone weather you killed them or not, you could steal from other players backpacks, you could loot houses, you could have a guild war in town, and you could do those dungeon crawls and do all that PVM (PVE) stuff.

Now games don't allow for you to make your own decisions about how you are going to play. They have put on the little kid gloves and now there isn't a game that I have found that would be fun for me. EA has ruined ultima and no one seems to have put out a game. I challenge you to name a game that allows true Free For All Player vs Player (FFAPVP) with loot. I can go play Call of Duty 4 for an hour if I want to just kill other players. I can play Civ 4 for 8 hours if I want to build something better than someone else. I can't find an MMO that is good.

CHALLENGE:

LIST ONE GAME THAT HAS:

Loot  dead players (take the all stuff they are carring on their person)

A housing system ( a place to put your stuff and to show off)

FFAPVP (Can I fight all over the world, or just some stupid battle ground)

More than 4 people playing at a time (I would like it to be a game that other people are playing, or there is really no point.)

Here's an idea:

Go play a MMORPG from 10 years ago... most of them are still online.

or EVE... that's like 5 years ago...

Playing a game from 10 years ago sounds great, but it isn't realistic. The games have changed over time and they don't do the things that I am asking for. EVE looks good, but it isn't what I am looking for...

Follow the challenge.

Originally posted by IamMike

Playing a game from 10 years ago sounds great, but it isn't realistic. The games have changed over time and they don't do the things that I am asking for. EVE looks good, but it isn't what I am looking for...

 

Follow the challenge.

I don't want to repeat myself, but the game you are seeking might be Darkfall. There are a lot of people talking about how this game is vaporware... but if we are lucky this game will see the daylight and everyone of us looking for a more challenging game will dance in the streets. The only thing that scares me is the so called FFAPVP... I'm all for it "in theory" but in practice I hope the consequences of being a coward ganker are harsh or else this could ruin the game.

I have stopped waiting for the old style great MMO. There is WAR now, it's not an MMORPG like we were used to, it's a MMO game, not as much a world, seems to be DaOC + WOW + TF2 combined with intelligence. Lots of grouping with public quests and RvR, and I love grouping as much as I hate questing alone. Seems it will be fun, for what the people is saying now that the NDA is lifted, so I'm going to play that.

September 23rd, 2008.

OP, I accept your challenge. The game you're looking for is Mortal Online. The CEO of StarVault, the company developing it, is the hugest fan of UO and wants to make a game in the same spirit with today's technology.

And damn, I'm waiting for some new info on it from GC 08...

You go back and them old games just don't play well anymore because they're sooo dated and clumsy. However you want the challenge and mechanics of the old mmorpgs but done with a modern engine and polished up with nice interfaces.

I just want SWG pre cu back tbh.

Originally posted by IamMike

CHALLENGE:

LIST ONE GAME THAT HAS:

Loot  dead players (take the all stuff they are carring on their person)

A housing system ( a place to put your stuff and to show off)

FFAPVP (Can I fight all over the world, or just some stupid battle ground)

More than 4 people playing at a time (I would like it to be a game that other people are playing, or there is really no point.)

 

EVE

Asherons Call - Darktide server

Shadowbane

Lineage 2 (looting limited to random item drop, housing limited to guild halls and castles that can be sieged and taken away)

Planetside (minus the housing)

WWIIO - no housing

Coming soon

WAR

Earthrise

Maybe some others

Do I get a prize now?

Ultima Online Siege Perilous shard.

Gives you all you asked for.

Originally posted by ianubisi

Ultima Online Siege Perilous shard.

Gives you all you asked for.

That's what i was going to say, you mind reader you...

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by IamMike

CHALLENGE:

LIST ONE GAME THAT HAS:

Loot  dead players (take the all stuff they are carring on their person)

A housing system ( a place to put your stuff and to show off)

FFAPVP (Can I fight all over the world, or just some stupid battle ground)

More than 4 people playing at a time (I would like it to be a game that other people are playing, or there is really no point.)

 

 

EVE

Asherons Call - Darktide server

Shadowbane

Lineage 2 (looting limited to random item drop, housing limited to guild halls and castles that can be sieged and taken away)

Planetside (minus the housing)

WWIIO - no housing

Coming soon

WAR

Earthrise

Maybe some others

Do I get a prize now?

the lack of fallen earth on that list makes me sad
 

Originally posted by IamMike

Before you jump in and start yelling at me because of the title of this form take a minute to consider the following. PVP in most MMO's today is unrewarding and frankly pretty boring after a couple of years, months, weeks, or days depending on your attention span and how long you can put up with being unrewarded. I make the contention that in the current environment that you could switch from playing an mmo to an fps and get the same reward.

To give you a little bit of my history... I played Ultima Online(UO) about a million years ago. To be more specific I played in '98 and '99 on a few servers (Pacific, Abyss, and Siege Perilous). For those of you who played UO, I had many characters as well ranging from a 7x-GM perma red to a pack mule miner/smith. I played non-stop PVP for hours and hours, and for those of you who didn't play UO, I made tons of in-game cash. UO, when I played, allowed you to loot bodies of anyone weather you killed them or not, you could steal from other players backpacks, you could loot houses, you could have a guild war in town, and you could do those dungeon crawls and do all that PVM (PVE) stuff.

Now games don't allow for you to make your own decisions about how you are going to play. They have put on the little kid gloves and now there isn't a game that I have found that would be fun for me. EA has ruined ultima and no one seems to have put out a game. I challenge you to name a game that allows true Free For All Player vs Player (FFAPVP) with loot. I can go play Call of Duty 4 for an hour if I want to just kill other players. I can play Civ 4 for 8 hours if I want to build something better than someone else. I can't find an MMO that is good.

CHALLENGE:

LIST ONE GAME THAT HAS:

Loot  dead players (take the all stuff they are carring on their person)

A housing system ( a place to put your stuff and to show off)

FFAPVP (Can I fight all over the world, or just some stupid battle ground)

More than 4 people playing at a time (I would like it to be a game that other people are playing, or there is really no point.)

 

In UO you could escape a red guy chasing you, most of the time, if you kept your eyes open.  In Everquest clones you can never escape, so therefore PvP is hated.

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by IamMike

CHALLENGE:

LIST ONE GAME THAT HAS:

Loot  dead players (take the all stuff they are carring on their person)

A housing system ( a place to put your stuff and to show off)

FFAPVP (Can I fight all over the world, or just some stupid battle ground)

More than 4 people playing at a time (I would like it to be a game that other people are playing, or there is really no point.)

 

 

EVE

Asherons Call - Darktide server

Shadowbane

Lineage 2 (looting limited to random item drop, housing limited to guild halls and castles that can be sieged and taken away)

Planetside (minus the housing)

WWIIO - no housing

Coming soon

WAR

Earthrise

Maybe some others

Do I get a prize now?

the lack of fallen earth on that list makes me sad
 

Yup and i am damn glad it isnt gona be FFA PVP.  Earthrise is it tho.

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by IamMike

CHALLENGE:

LIST ONE GAME THAT HAS:

Loot  dead players (take the all stuff they are carring on their person)

A housing system ( a place to put your stuff and to show off)

FFAPVP (Can I fight all over the world, or just some stupid battle ground)

More than 4 people playing at a time (I would like it to be a game that other people are playing, or there is really no point.)

 

 

EVE  (requires you to geek it out in a guild if you want to own any structures and make your mark on the world, real time skill training means you will never catch up to those who are subscribed longer then you.)

Asherons Call - Darktide server Never played it.

Shadowbane (Grind to max level, then geek it out in a guild if you want to make your mark on the world and PVP, see: Eve Online)

Lineage 2 (looting limited to random item drop, housing limited to guild halls and castles that can be sieged and taken away)  (Never played it, but I bet there are a select few areas you can put "castles or guild halls" on.)

Planetside (minus the housing)  At least you feel like you own a base when it's on your side, and you don't have to geek it out in a guild to do it either.

WWIIO - no housing  My favorite game.

Coming soon  (uh huh)

WAR

Earthrise

Maybe some others

Do I get a prize now?

Originally posted by Darkholme

Originally posted by ianubisi

Ultima Online Siege Perilous shard.

Gives you all you asked for.

That's what i was going to say, you mind reader you...

I have standards man.  Hey I played UO for a month or two back in the 20th century but damnit I just spent over $100 on a video card, and damnit I have standards.  I draw a line somewhere, and usually it is at 2 seconds per frame, 2D graphics, and servers that aren't run by "the company".

starquest online has every thing you asked for it doesnt have the graphics of most of the MMO's today but a dead player or NPC can be stripped down to their underwear and there are no "safe zones" except for earth where combat is disabled but as soon as you hop in a ship you can shot anything thats there except the planets and stars you can engage any ship station or person on any ship station or system we have houses that are player owned but people tedd to show off all their stuff on their ships

Hmm.... I wonder how long until Star Trek Online comes out... *hint hint*

Originally posted by IamMike

CHALLENGE:

LIST ONE GAME THAT HAS:

Loot  dead players (take the all stuff they are carring on their person)

A housing system ( a place to put your stuff and to show off)

FFAPVP (Can I fight all over the world, or just some stupid battle ground)

More than 4 people playing at a time (I would like it to be a game that other people are playing, or there is really no point.)

 

An entirely subjective list of what makes a good MMO.

I for one would not appreciate 6 months of full-time grinding being looted from me because I went AFK for 10 seconds.

There's far more people in favour of "safe" PvP than world-PvP. Server distribution shows this.

   How long is unknown, but I can give you the tilte of it, KOTOR 3.