Originally posted by GreenChaos

Skill is required at the team level.  A team with good strategy can kill a team with bad strategy. 

i belive that skills are important, but if you are looking really hard, you can see that if you are 50 really skilled players that tryes to take a Keep, and there is 100 defending, you will have no chance no matter how skilled you are. but as in any pvp / rvr, if you are 50 very skilled and well organised players against 50 bad players, guess whos gonna win?! :D

Numbers matters alot, so you are not neccecary gonna win just because you are skilled...

Originally posted by syxx

at you can manually block/dodge and parry to say the least. Unless of course its 40 years from now and we can actually hold a shield in our living room.

Originally posted by devoux

An MMORPG and skill?...hmm no, no, no please tell me, have you ever played an MMORPG that requires skill?

-> Age of Conan
Player skill is a major part of PvP so far there was no other MMO (not mmofps ) that actual player skill made so much difference.  ( with some of the latest patched and gem stacking PvP is not that fun, hopefully they will fix that some time soon.)

You have full control of active blocking and partial control of dodge/parry, for latest you have double step left right that gives you buffs to avoid magic hits ( they last like 3 seconds so you need to time it well) and forward/back  .. to doge/parry .. with forward you also gain possibility of small 2 sec stun if you hit person with melee weapon on top of everything you have control over direct shielding and basically with right usage you can reduce all dmg done to you by 70%.
 

On the side note: AoC have huge problems and players are leaving due lack of end game content, client stability and some critical bugs.

Here you go one of the old videos http://www.vimeo.com/1157337 and those guys are not using half of stuff they could. ( on the side note at that time ToS aka Tempest of Set was way overpowered and he still lost at lvl 74 fighting with lvl 60 Bear shaman )
 

Originally posted by IKShadow

Originally posted by syxx

at you can manually block/dodge and parry to say the least. Unless of course its 40 years from now and we can actually hold a shield in our living room.

 

Originally posted by devoux

An MMORPG and skill?...hmm no, no, no please tell me, have you ever played an MMORPG that requires skill?

-> Age of Conan
Player skill is a major part of PvP so far there was no other MMO (not mmofps ) that actual player skill made so much difference.  ( with some of the latest patched and gem stacking PvP is not that fun, hopefully they will fix that some time soon.)

You have full control of active blocking and partial control of dodge/parry, for latest you have double step left right that gives you buffs to avoid magic hits ( they last like 3 seconds so you need to time it well) and forward/back  .. to doge/parry .. with forward you also gain possibility of small 2 sec stun if you hit person with melee weapon on top of everything you have control over direct shielding and basically with right usage you can reduce all dmg done to you by 70%.
 

On the side note: AoC have huge problems and players are leaving due lack of end game content, client stability and some critical bugs.

Here you go one of the old videos http://www.vimeo.com/1157337 and those guys are not using half of stuff they could. ( on the side note at that time ToS aka Tempest of Set was way overpowered and he still lost at lvl 74 fighting with lvl 60 Bear shaman )
 

 

Not to mention the fact that AOC stinks and is not a real mmo.

Originally posted by IKShadow

Originally posted by syxx

at you can manually block/dodge and parry to say the least. Unless of course its 40 years from now and we can actually hold a shield in our living room.

 

Originally posted by devoux

An MMORPG and skill?...hmm no, no, no please tell me, have you ever played an MMORPG that requires skill?

-> Age of Conan
Player skill is a major part of PvP so far there was no other MMO (not mmofps ) that actual player skill made so much difference.  ( with some of the latest patched and gem stacking PvP is not that fun, hopefully they will fix that some time soon.)

You have full control of active blocking and partial control of dodge/parry, for latest you have double step left right that gives you buffs to avoid magic hits ( they last like 3 seconds so you need to time it well) and forward/back  .. to doge/parry .. with forward you also gain possibility of small 2 sec stun if you hit person with melee weapon on top of everything you have control over direct shielding and basically with right usage you can reduce all dmg done to you by 70%.
 

On the side note: AoC have huge problems and players are leaving due lack of end game content, client stability and some critical bugs.

Here you go one of the old videos http://www.vimeo.com/1157337 and those guys are not using half of stuff they could. ( on the side note at that time ToS aka Tempest of Set was way overpowered and he still lost at lvl 74 fighting with lvl 60 Bear shaman )
 

 

Apparently you never played AC.

Try AC, it's free for 2 weeks.  Create a character on DT.  Level up to 120, Hell, level up to 200, and I'll kill you on my level 120.  Then, I'd like you to tell me the only "skill" based MMO is AOC.  Get a Clue.

AOC is one of the least skill based mmorpg I've played, not enough abilities, too many 1 hit kills, a clunky melee system that lets you queue up massive alpha strikes etc. I think you just have an odd idea of what skill is.

To give you an idea Chess is a game made up 100% of skill. Skill isn't just twitch, twitch is A skill.

But to answer your question no you cannot dodge arrows and spells, systems like that are way too exploitable so they never work very well. AC is the closest to making it work so far and even in that game it was way too exploitable. You could wait 7 more years for Darkfall and you'll have the game you probably want.

I think its completely stupid to say most MMOs require no skill. If it was so damn easy than everyone would be awesome. In my experience in MMOs you get to know the good players from the bad and the average, and yes I'm talking about point and click.

You gotta know when to press what and why and you gotta be fast as well. Though I admit its a different sort of skill from the twitch of an FPS.

Originally posted by Random_mage

Then, I'd like you to tell me the only "skill" based MMO is AOC.  Get a Clue.

Who told you that AoC is only skilled based MMO ?
I replied that AoC is skill based MMO and that you have major control for blocking dodge/parry.

Originally posted by Ender4

To give you an idea Chess is a game made up 100% of skill. Skill isn't just twitch, twitch is A skill.

Actually you nailed it, if you are in chess like skill games WAR is perfect fit for you.

I have been playing beta for a good amount of time now and skill it HUGE in RvR.

Don't believe all these guys when they say things like "This Game is just like WoW." becuase they are full of crap.

the graphics and game play of this game fill nothing like WoW.

I would say it is more like DAoC if i had to compair it to any other game, but then again it is WAY better then DAoC

Originally posted by sabutai22

Originally posted by jaycee2006

I'm not in beta, but from what most people are saying, skill determines the win in rvr, I don't think you can manually dodge, and healers get a bit of a twist I like the sound of, where you have a friend and an enemy targeted at the same time to do damage and heal without clicking everyone.

 

That is an OVER-HYPE statement many fanbui's use and its incorrect, NUMBERS determine win in RvR along with Levels! Skill only comes from a well organized VoIP guild or wargroup period.

thats what people mean with skill based combat. This is not a singleplayer game where you can OWN 5 people with your skills. No this is a MASS multiplayer game where the idea is that you group together and fight. Btw thats what RVR means, Realm vs Realm. They never said its going to be a game where you can pwn everyone on your own.

The thing that people want to know if gears > skill. And my guess is that gear has some effect, but most is skill based. So Skill > Gear. And no I don't mean you can win naked.

And yes numbers decides if you can win or not. I don't know what else you were expecting. I mean can 5 people win against 10 ? No thats impossible. Why would you even think that? You are not superman.
Did you really think this is a game that will let you win always? That would REALLY suck for the oposite side. People will ahve to use tricks to beat the best guild in the game. Like Massing them or something.
 

Originally posted by IKShadow

Originally posted by syxx

at you can manually block/dodge and parry to say the least. Unless of course its 40 years from now and we can actually hold a shield in our living room.

 

Originally posted by devoux

An MMORPG and skill?...hmm no, no, no please tell me, have you ever played an MMORPG that requires skill?

-> Age of Conan
Player skill is a major part of PvP so far there was no other MMO (not mmofps ) that actual player skill made so much difference.  ( with some of the latest patched and gem stacking PvP is not that fun, hopefully they will fix that some time soon.)

You have full control of active blocking and partial control of dodge/parry, for latest you have double step left right that gives you buffs to avoid magic hits ( they last like 3 seconds so you need to time it well) and forward/back  .. to doge/parry .. with forward you also gain possibility of small 2 sec stun if you hit person with melee weapon on top of everything you have control over direct shielding and basically with right usage you can reduce all dmg done to you by 70%.
 

On the side note: AoC have huge problems and players are leaving due lack of end game content, client stability and some critical bugs.

Here you go one of the old videos http://www.vimeo.com/1157337 and those guys are not using half of stuff they could. ( on the side note at that time ToS aka Tempest of Set was way overpowered and he still lost at lvl 74 fighting with lvl 60 Bear shaman )
 

 

Imo Lag is the factor that decides if you can win or not. Not skill

WAR requires Strategy. 

Originally posted by jzuska

I don't know what the OP is getting at. Have you ever played dnd? A tabletop? Everything is stats and number based.

Please go get some sweeping headshots in Halo.

actually im new to the genre, mostly a console gamer

but i do know about rts games....

so the strategy is like a rts game if i can use this analogy,  2 grunts going at it in warcraft 3, usually whoever hits first is gonna win... theres no strat there

but in an army u chose who to go after, who falls back, healing ect...

so the strat in this game is alike a giant rts game?

one more thing, i dont mind that its not as player skill base as say zelda or god of war, but for the love of god why couldn't they thow in a block, it would add tons to this game.  im sure it wouldn't blow up the servers if they did that...

GvG=yes

Solo or Zerg=no

If you want skill go play Guild wars or Eve, when you are in WAR all you need is four hands, a bottle of whisky and a heck load of patience.

Ok taking a few steps back and thinking about it, there is a bit of skill involved. Switching tactics on the fly, comboing skills so you do more damage...yes..yes at least with the Swordmaster when i paid attention to what skills i was using, i was able to take down a champion with half my life still intact.

OK, if skill is have the right skill chain for your heals/dmg letting them off at the right times, keeping out or in of the enemies range, keeping an eye on your health and mana, keeping an eye on all your partys healths and mana's (if your a healer, which if anyone wants to know i will be as it is the most "skill" oriented class in an mmo). It could be called skill, but i play fps quite a bit and skill is basically your reflex time which mmo's really dont need. so yeah go whatever way you want, skill could be anything o.O

and to the guy labeling people who crouch, prone and jump (in other words) using all means necessary to stay alive and pwn as much as possible, you just QQ about them because u cant hit them coz ur bad. people who use all aspect's of a game to thier advantage are skillfull unless you count grenade launchers, matrydom and juggernaught then i will have a problem with you :D

peace, devoux