Originally posted by miagisan

 Compare it to AoC. AoC had serious design flaws, major bugs, and whole game systems which do not work. WAR is the exact opposite...some minor bugs, stable design, and everything works.

Design flaws ?

Originally posted by greymann

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by PapaLazarou

One thing I noticed about mmorpg.com is it's full of fanbois and haters that you can't trust, even the warhammer alliance website is full of threads of people pointing out the many flaws of the game, yet mmorpg.com everything is apparently all roses and you'll be flamed if you say otherwise.

Now WAR isn't a horrible game but it has too many flaws tor ecommend and it feels very much like a clone of everyother mmorpg out there. It's very clear to see what they looked at when making this game and thats WOW. No WOW didn't invent the genre but it perfected all the mechanics and became popular because it was sooo easy to get into. So if you've played WOW then you'll know esactly how WAR plays because they play pretty much the same. The problem with this though is WOW is more polished and has far more content to play through. So you ask the question "why am I playing WAR?" and to me I don't know why you'd choose WAR atm.

wow has been out for 4 years. its had time to polish itself and has had an expansion and many patches

Theres tons of bugs in the game and yeah the game is just about to be released but when you launch a buggy half assed game and try to compete with another mmorpg thats soooo polished and complete then I don't see how you can win. I have lots of CTD constantly and they're happening to everyone, I don't use Vista but all the people using XP atleast are having problems. Theres lots of getting stuck on objects in the world and it's very annoying using /stuck which then makes you log out.

its Beta

The graphics are lacking, I mean the textures are just sooo bland and horrible and just really low detailed right now. You can see all the pointy bits in objects and on the ground because the game has sucha  small polygon count. Theres no real atmosphere in the game too and for me I want the art style to look like the CG trailers because that's badass and instead we get a bland ugly looking WOW.

Full graphics have still not been released

The combat in the game is slow and sluggish and just not fun at all to use. I can't find a class i'm having fun with because they're all boringgggggggggggg. I play WOW and they're all really fun and different to play but then I get into WAR and alot of the classes just play the same. The only difference between most of the tanks is the skills have a different name, but they all do the same thing just mixed around differently.

there was a reason for the slow combat...someone explained it but i forgot ,someone else will explain it

The PVE is soooooooo easy I mean for most the game it's the average boring "kill 5 of these" and come back quests that you can run into and not have a fear of dying because you can own like 10 mobs at a time and if you're about to die then you just run away easily and even if you do die then theres no death penatly. If you want PVE then don't play this game because it has nothing to offer you anywhere near the competition of other mmorpgs and public quests wont be enough to keep you playing cause ocne you've done one, then you've done them all.

game was mainly made around rvr...it was never meant to be a pve game.

The PVP which is meant to be the highlight of the game just ends up being very crap for me because the combat system and the unfun classes just ruin all fun of combat. Also collision detection is very annoying and constantly gets in the way, you'll often walk into team mate sor get stuck ina  crowded keep or have some twats block you way up the stairs. The battleground type things are just like AB in WOW and they get boring very fast and so do keeps. Imagine Planetside and capturing the same bse over and over again.......... well in WAR it's like Planetside but without fun combat and lots more bugs and ranged classes owning everything in mass PVP.

 Havent played so cant comment

I know I'm going to get flamed but the game is tooo easy, too linear and too boring. I've played this mmorpg lots of times before and I just want something new and not the same old same old buggy level/class based mmorpg. If you want to understand how linear the game is then look at the world map because you follow a set path from levels 1 - 40 all the way through like a fucking big long road.

 im not flameing.

Please don't believe the hype it's just another WOW that we all got bored of years ago.

 

 

If you haven't played then STFU

who the hell do you think you are.?

if you can take other people view then just leave the forums.

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Originally posted by PapaLazarouNow WAR isn't a horrible game but it has too many flaws tor ecommend and it feels very much like a clone of everyother mmorpg out there. It's very clear to see what they looked at when making this game and thats WOW. No WOW didn't invent the genre but it perfected all the mechanics and became popular because it was sooo easy to get into. So if you've played WOW then you'll know esactly how WAR plays because they play pretty much the same. The problem with this though is WOW is more polished and has far more content to play through. So you ask the question "why am I playing WAR?" and to me I don't know why you'd choose WAR atm.

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I have played WAR for the past 6 months now, and I think that it is an excellent MMORPG. Is it perfect? No! Does it have a few minor bugs and some balance concerns? Yes! Is there anything gamebreaking? Hell no!

In all of beta, I have crashed only twice (server going down is not a crash - I am talking client-side). It has been a very stable game, but I understand all systems are different and some people do a CTD problem. Bear in mind it likely only affects a small percentage of people, and obviously the ones it affects will be the loudest.

It would take me hours to do a full review of my experiences, but I will say that WAR is not WoW and while comparisons will of course be made, they are two very different games doing two very different things. Some people will like one, some people will like the other - that is to be expected. In the end, what matters is that there is now a another good MMORPG out there, which means more choice for us all.

I will say that one of the greatest things about WAR is the combat system with respect to Action Points. AP makes the game so much more fast-paced that grinding is no longer really grinding so much as non-stop combat.

In a balanced group, you literally never need to stop fighting for any more than a few seconds at a time. There is no eating, drinking, meditating, etc. You end a fight, your AP regenerates within moments (it regenerates while in combat, too), and you fight some more. Not sitting around twiddling your thumbs is just plain great.

Anyway, I recommend everyone into MMORPGs at least tries the game with an open mind. I think they will be rewarded.

Thank you for an honest opinion that wasn't all sugar and spice, nor death and excrement.

Originally posted by Aguitha

I'm a beta tester too, only been playing for 1 week so far.  I have to agree with most of the point the OP said.  I tried almost every classes (to 8-10) so far and i just can't find one i'm having fun with.   They all pretty much plays the same, it's just the same attacks with different names.   This is a personal preference & subjective issue.  I've personally found I Love the squig herder, witch hunter & the white lion more than any class I've tested.  They all play different roles from each other & work in a way i've not experienced with pet & dps characters.

Combat is really buggy at times and feel sluggish.  Never had this issue its a personal subjective preference to combat if I wanted to play an FPS game or a WoW pwnz game I'd go play one of those.  I want long winded epic battles.  Sometimes you pull a mob and it will start to come to you, then go back, then charge you....  I admit this issue sucks but its NOT wide spread infact its in far fewer places now than it was 3 weeks ago.   most frustrating thing is that you will target a mob, start shooting and it will not move for like 4-5 seconds then all of the sudden it will come and just as you get ready to engage it in melee it will run back to the spawn point and reset back to full....   This issue only happens at random and with specific mobs or in specific areas infact yesterday I only noticed it around the Keeps.

Playing a pet profession must be the most frustrating thing to do, your pet attack when he feels like it, sometimes it will just stand there doing nothing, you will often engage a mob and your pet is nowhere near you, they get stuck often.   I dont see how pet professions will be able to play in RVR with colision detection.....   They're perfectly playable I'm always the top 5 in kills in scenarios and I'm smart enough to let my AoE or my long range squig do all the attention gathering in Open PVP.  The recent pet pathing issue is just that RECENT infact my squigs worked fine until Tuesday.  A simple patch will probably remedy this bizarre issue.  CD does not get in the way simply send your pet in with an AOE and blast all the guarding tanks, stand up high and shoot over their heads.

As a melee characters you often need to spam the same 2-3 attacks, this cause your AP (Action Point) pool to reach ZERO very rapidly leaving your characters doing mostly white strikes.   Sometimes an attack seems to be available to use (no timer on the shortcut) you hit it and it will says it's not available....  Maybe you shouldn't spam your tank abilities some of them last for several seconds on the player ..its called timing if you knwo the effect last for 20 seconds dont refraking spam it after 2 seconds.  Not to mention AP goes down due to DEBUFFS that can be cast on you ever though someone was draining your AP points? NPC's do this too.

As a range characters the bow animation is ridiculously overdone.  Each time you fire an arrow it's like you trying to hit a target 5 miles away, your character is literally aiming at a star.   Totally subjective who the hell cares and has that much time to watch an animation shouldn't you be paying attention to the battle?  Your probably one of the people who bitch in pvp because you die to much I guess now we know why your to busy going is my Char's ass wiggling to much?

Casters have spell pushbacks just like in WOW, you get hit the casting bar go back half a seconds each time, it's bad when your spell takes 3 seconds to cast....  You should have this casters shouldn't be able to spam the beeguz out of you.  It'd be damn near impossible to win a fight against a healer or a caster if there wasn't an interrupt...even damn pen and paper RPG's ahve interrupts.

I havent played much RVR but from what i seen, range characters dominate.   If you play a melee and try to kill someone you will most likey get killed by a range or mage character before reaching your target.    If you see a ranged char and he's dominating then go damn kill it get it offf the field its that simple happens to me all th etime when I start kicking a caster's ass with my bow or my squig they come blasting at me or send a tank on me.

I'm glad i'm in the beta, they still have 1 month before release to fix all of that, if nothing is been done i dont see myself buying this game. 

 

Originally posted by baso80

I like war but I am not gonna flame you.

 

You have valid points and concerns.But we cant judge a newly released game based on "the bugs". Im not even flaming AoC because of that.

 

I have faith in that the bugs and slow combat will be fixed eventually and the game will become more fun in say 6 months to a year.

 

I didnt find WoW very fun at release at all to be honest. Talk about imbalance there. But WoW became much more fun when I rejoined after 1.5 years of the release.

 

WAR has great features and you need to give it some time. All the classes and cities arent in yet. No one knows the full potential. It is just going to be release. What people need to do is to look for the potential and have a litlle patience and faith that the game will come along nicely as time goes by.

Do you want me to use the car analogy as a response?

Cuz that's what I was gunna do. Because it works. And many people (like myself) are sick of games that are half-finished just because it's "just been released". That used to mean the opposite and that used to mean a game should be finished. But apparently for MMOs, not anymore.

  I've never seen a MMO live up to the Hype. WAR is like any other MMO some people will love it, some will hate it and several just will find it average. 

Originally posted by greymann

Originally posted by xenogias

I am going to flame the OP. He is a fanboy of WoW or a hater of WAR however you wanna look at it. Most of you know I'm a fanboy of WAR but I am more than willing to talk about its faults. I'm tired of posting on other forums so if you have questions or concerns pm me and I will be as honest as I can be.

To the OP though. You say your not a hater or fanboy of WAR but your post reaks of hate. Not only is it clear you havent been around for a single MMO launch but most of your post is flat out lies or your opinion trying to pass it off as truth. For one, the biggest glaring point was calling the classes boring/dull. PLEASE. The classes in WAR as some of the most fun classes I have ever seen in an MMO (this is of course my opinion, but seems to be the opinion of nearly everyone I talked to in general chat in the last week). Class mechanics are new and keep you on your toes.

Anyway. If you have some questions that just dont seem to be getting awnsered PM me. I wont be posting much else on these forums because the OP did make a valid point. These forums are full of both haters and fanboys talking up or down about the game and the truth is somewhere in the middle. The game has flaws and I have no problem discussing thoes. The game also has some verry good selling points and I would be more than willing to duscuss thoes to anyone interested though PM but not here where every post is going to turn into a flame war and the topic gets lost after a couple posts.

 

????  The OP voiced his objections to the game publicly, why can't you counter them publicly?  Bizarre.  I mean the OP's being accused of not being detailed enough yet this is as vague as it gets.  "What do you mean? No, the classes aren't boring"

I said the classes arent boring IMO.  I did mention why I thought so, being the mechanics. No, I dont need to make some huge writeup about the class mechanics when there is already tons of information out there on thoes both on the official site and through many other posts/video's posted now that the NDA is up. I offered people to PM me because if someone has an honest question I am willing to do my best to awnser it honestly be it good or bad. Yea thats right, a fanboy admitting there are flaws, and willing to talk about them. The reason I'm not doing it publicly (especcialy here on these forums) is because all that happens is a massive flame war. I'm trying to break myself of being apart of that because its retarted. At least in PM someone can ask me a question, I can awnser and they can take my opinions however they want without 50 other people spewing there opinions.

If you're not liking how the game is going don't play it.

Originally posted by PapaLazarou

Please don't believe the hype it's just another WOW that we all got bored of years ago.

good, thats what i am looking for, a wow clone, just beefed up a bit. when companies try to be "different" and "creative", you get crap like Conan. i look at it like this, i love WOW but bored with it. WAR is something similar but wwith better graphics, new world and new content. its the new WOW, nothing wrong with that.

Originally I was told the internet was for porn, but apparently it's for nerds raging over each others opinions.

Not to berate nerds. I am one. I just wish you guys would get over the fact that an opinion is an opinion.

Stop hating on games because they don't have what you want them to offer. Like some in this thread have stated if you don't like it don't play it.

Originally posted by PapaLazarou

One thing I noticed about mmorpg.com is it's full of fanbois and haters that you can't trust, even the warhammer alliance website is full of threads of people pointing out the many flaws of the game, yet mmorpg.com everything is apparently all roses and you'll be flamed if you say otherwise.

Now WAR isn't a horrible game but it has too many flaws tor ecommend and it feels very much like a clone of everyother mmorpg out there. It's very clear to see what they looked at when making this game and thats WOW. No WOW didn't invent the genre but it perfected all the mechanics and became popular because it was sooo easy to get into. So if you've played WOW then you'll know esactly how WAR plays because they play pretty much the same. The problem with this though is WOW is more polished and has far more content to play through. So you ask the question "why am I playing WAR?" and to me I don't know why you'd choose WAR atm.

Theres tons of bugs in the game and yeah the game is just about to be released but when you launch a buggy half assed game and try to compete with another mmorpg thats soooo polished and complete then I don't see how you can win. I have lots of CTD constantly and they're happening to everyone, I don't use Vista but all the people using XP atleast are having problems. Theres lots of getting stuck on objects in the world and it's very annoying using /stuck which then makes you log out.

The graphics are lacking, I mean the textures are just sooo bland and horrible and just really low detailed right now. You can see all the pointy bits in objects and on the ground because the game has sucha  small polygon count. Theres no real atmosphere in the game too and for me I want the art style to look like the CG trailers because that's badass and instead we get a bland ugly looking WOW.

The combat in the game is slow and sluggish and just not fun at all to use. I can't find a class i'm having fun with because they're all boringgggggggggggg. I play WOW and they're all really fun and different to play but then I get into WAR and alot of the classes just play the same. The only difference between most of the tanks is the skills have a different name, but they all do the same thing just mixed around differently.

The PVE is soooooooo easy I mean for most the game it's the average boring "kill 5 of these" and come back quests that you can run into and not have a fear of dying because you can own like 10 mobs at a time and if you're about to die then you just run away easily and even if you do die then theres no death penatly. If you want PVE then don't play this game because it has nothing to offer you anywhere near the competition of other mmorpgs and public quests wont be enough to keep you playing cause ocne you've done one, then you've done them all.

The PVP which is meant to be the highlight of the game just ends up being very crap for me because the combat system and the unfun classes just ruin all fun of combat. Also collision detection is very annoying and constantly gets in the way, you'll often walk into team mate sor get stuck ina  crowded keep or have some twats block you way up the stairs. The battleground type things are just like AB in WOW and they get boring very fast and so do keeps. Imagine Planetside and capturing the same bse over and over again.......... well in WAR it's like Planetside but without fun combat and lots more bugs and ranged classes owning everything in mass PVP.

 

I know I'm going to get flamed but the game is tooo easy, too linear and too boring. I've played this mmorpg lots of times before and I just want something new and not the same old same old buggy level/class based mmorpg. If you want to understand how linear the game is then look at the world map because you follow a set path from levels 1 - 40 all the way through like a fucking big long road.

 

Please don't believe the hype it's just another WOW that we all got bored of years ago.

Hello Mr.Propagandist I see whut u did thar!!!!

PS. this game is as good as everyone is saying...

In the end who really cares which one is better? You're going to play the one you like the best. Period. I have played a lot of MMORPG's and I can honestly say I like WOW the best so far. I have a pre-order for WAR and I'll try that out. If I like it, I'll play it. Simple. Personally, if I don't end up liking WAR as much as I do WOW, I hope it does well. Why? Because then it gives WOW something to compete against, and that means they will be harder pressed and more likely to make better improvements.

Originally posted by logangregor

I found one of your posts, copied and pasted for all to read.

"DAOC was a horrible game and then Mythic pissed off all their customers by ruining what they loved in one expansion. Yet for some reason all the fanbois seem to forget that and claim the game was amazing with their rose tinted glasses.
What pisses me off about these forums because it's full of fanbois trying to defend the truth about the crap mmorpg they like. I mean they ain't popular for a reason and that reason is because they suck...

EQ2 sucks
Vanguard sucks
DAOC sucks
SWG sucks

The state of the whole genre is shite, theres one mmorpg which has done as well as single player games and that's WOW, the rest of the genre is in the stone age..."

 

 

So your a WoW fanbois that beleives that every mmo up to WoW was horrible.

Go eat a bowl of Chowda nub

Hehe, nice find logan.  Can we say WoW much!

Originally posted by PapaLazarou

One thing I noticed about mmorpg.com is it's full of fanbois and haters that you can't trust, even the warhammer alliance website is full of threads of people pointing out the many flaws of the game, yet mmorpg.com everything is apparently all roses and you'll be flamed if you say otherwise.

Now WAR isn't a horrible game but it has too many flaws tor ecommend and it feels very much like a clone of everyother mmorpg out there. It's very clear to see what they looked at when making this game and thats WOW. No WOW didn't invent the genre but it perfected all the mechanics and became popular because it was sooo easy to get into. So if you've played WOW then you'll know esactly how WAR plays because they play pretty much the same. The problem with this though is WOW is more polished and has far more content to play through. So you ask the question "why am I playing WAR?" and to me I don't know why you'd choose WAR atm.

Theres tons of bugs in the game and yeah the game is just about to be released but when you launch a buggy half assed game and try to compete with another mmorpg thats soooo polished and complete then I don't see how you can win. I have lots of CTD constantly and they're happening to everyone, I don't use Vista but all the people using XP atleast are having problems. Theres lots of getting stuck on objects in the world and it's very annoying using /stuck which then makes you log out.

The graphics are lacking, I mean the textures are just sooo bland and horrible and just really low detailed right now. You can see all the pointy bits in objects and on the ground because the game has sucha  small polygon count. Theres no real atmosphere in the game too and for me I want the art style to look like the CG trailers because that's badass and instead we get a bland ugly looking WOW.

The combat in the game is slow and sluggish and just not fun at all to use. I can't find a class i'm having fun with because they're all boringgggggggggggg. I play WOW and they're all really fun and different to play but then I get into WAR and alot of the classes just play the same. The only difference between most of the tanks is the skills have a different name, but they all do the same thing just mixed around differently.

The PVE is soooooooo easy I mean for most the game it's the average boring "kill 5 of these" and come back quests that you can run into and not have a fear of dying because you can own like 10 mobs at a time and if you're about to die then you just run away easily and even if you do die then theres no death penatly. If you want PVE then don't play this game because it has nothing to offer you anywhere near the competition of other mmorpgs and public quests wont be enough to keep you playing cause ocne you've done one, then you've done them all.

The PVP which is meant to be the highlight of the game just ends up being very crap for me because the combat system and the unfun classes just ruin all fun of combat. Also collision detection is very annoying and constantly gets in the way, you'll often walk into team mate sor get stuck ina  crowded keep or have some twats block you way up the stairs. The battleground type things are just like AB in WOW and they get boring very fast and so do keeps. Imagine Planetside and capturing the same bse over and over again.......... well in WAR it's like Planetside but without fun combat and lots more bugs and ranged classes owning everything in mass PVP.

 

I know I'm going to get flamed but the game is tooo easy, too linear and too boring. I've played this mmorpg lots of times before and I just want something new and not the same old same old buggy level/class based mmorpg. If you want to understand how linear the game is then look at the world map because you follow a set path from levels 1 - 40 all the way through like a fucking big long road.

 

Please don't believe the hype it's just another WOW that we all got bored of years ago.

Every new game I've played and commented on has one of these, a post full of valid points that doesn't fail to say "this has been done before" or "there are too many bugs to make this a valid game to release or even play". Maybe it's just me but i've never really cared about all that shiznit and i'm more into what the game has to offer; exploring, storylines, lore and a whole lot of fighting. When I signed up for WAR beta I didn't even care about the game and even when I downloaded it I was still skeptical about it, but when I got in and started playing...I was no short of hooked.

I inadvertently made a High Elf and Dark Elf character respectively and being able to play the battle on both sides is intensely fulfilling because you get to into the story and you know what is happening between the two sides and how the Dark elves were betrayed by the high elves and how the High elves are not even looking at the past to try and resolve the War (they are more focused on being greenpeace than anything else).

I don't know about you but I play games based on their merits; I play GW because of its gameplay(gotta love the heroes mechanic), I play EVE because of the economy (awesome economy btw ), I play WAR because of its story and lore and playED WoW because of the hype (disclaimer: never play games solely because of hype, when the hype dies the game dies with it).

Yes I agree with some of the things you have said but the truth is those things are minor specks in my eye and can be easily removed by a few fixes and patches. WAR is a good game, I wouldn't put it down so easily.

WTF is wrong with you people on this site?! 99% of the posts since NDA has been lifted have been all praise and glory and the minute someone comes in and posts something negative about the game you dismiss them as being a hater and wow lover. Yes, the OP's review was negatively biased, he had a bad experience and IMO the other 99% are on the extreme opposite. Take the good with the bad and read between the lines.

Personally, I'm inclined to believe the OP. I've been discussing the state of the game with several close friends in closed beta, (whose backgrounds and professional experience are extremely credible), and surprisingly the OP repeated every point of concern. To summarize several credible sources, the overall feeling of the game was that it was not polished and still needed a lot of work. This pertained to nearly every aspect of the game, graphics, animations, controls, user interface, combat etc etc.

I'm always very concerned about the controls of a game, how responsive and visceral they are, if the animations and actions of the character are smooth or do they leave you feeling disconnected. The summary I got was, it feels laggy, unresponsive, jerky and poor animations don't allow you to feel connected to your character. Not something I wanted to hear, but I didn't need to ask this question to understand that. I could answer that without ever putting my fingers on the keyboard looking at gameplay footage including the recent ustream videos, watching low frame stiff animations, jerky anim blending, skiing, collision hitching etc.

With that said, I'm still plan to try the game. Why? Because the few unpolished features I know of can be forgiven and most can be fixed (these aren't AOC failures). More important to me is how engaging and fun the game is. Will I have a hard time logging out because I want to kill a few hundred more dorfs and capture their keep? Will I spend my time away from the game plotting my characters development or raid strategics? Fun is what counts and finding that is different for each person.

Stop flaming people for their opinions and get one yourself.

Originally posted by medafor

Originally posted by PapaLazarou

Please don't believe the hype it's just another WOW that we all got bored of years ago.

 

good, thats what i am looking for, a wow clone, just beefed up a bit. when companies try to be "different" and "creative", you get crap like Conan. i look at it like this, i love WOW but bored with it. WAR is something similar but wwith better graphics, new world and new content. its the new WOW, nothing wrong with that.

I support your statement.

I'm tired of the WoW fan boys that didn't start the genre until WoW had been out for like 2 years and all of the sudden they know about MMORPGs.  Hell, I'm not an old time Merdian 59 player.. nor did I play UO, but I did start back in the day when they were "just another geek hobby".  I also played WoW and thought it was a great game (got my roommate hooked on it, he then beat me to level 70.. which I quit before I made it..) 

Sadly, it's WoW that brought this morons into the mainstream.

I actually like WoW, bought the Pre-made PvP got REALLY old..  A fresh new game (even though it doesn't really look like WoW any more than AoC looks like WoW).. But the Sad thing is the OP has NOTHING to compare this game to except WoW.. Get a clue dude.. Aren't you late for a 4 hour raid or something?

WAR is far from a clone of anything. With it's root concept in DaOC, sure there is a similarity in basis there and of at it's heart it....YES...AN MMO. All MMOs are essentially cartoons and in this case there is the standard elves, dwarves etc.

Other than those, it's very different. Sure you can PvE all the way. I was sure I was PvE only other than dabbling in the RvR for renown/rewards. Personally I have always had an aversion to PvP. After playing the first  day, it's all I can do to go questing and not queue up for Scenario RvR!

When I play, I tend to measure the actions of the folks I'm playing with and get their courses of action. Then when the scenario ends, I queue up again and hope I can put  some of my knowledge to use if some of the same names are with me.

In the end everyone has to make their own decision. You will play if you see it and like it and you won't if you don't. Just don't take the chance of enjoyment away from someone who might be on the fence by knocking it, if you don't decide to play.

Say something good or say nothing at all. That's a good one!

WAR brings no innovation.  Next.