Originally posted by grimfall

Well said Bloodworth.

EQ had duping 3 or 4 months after launch and they didn't ban anyone.  WoW, I heard had it as well.

It really makes no sense what you people (who probably don't play the game anymore) are demanding.  "Fix duping in a matter of seconds"... the two biggest Western MMO companies didn't do that.

"after you fix duping, go ban all the players who duped."  If they could track the players that duped, they would have banned them previously (and they have banned players for exploiting), there's no link between fixing the bug and banning the players.  Plus all the time to track down and ban these players, takes away from the effort to fix bugs.  What do you want them to do, fix bugs or ban players?

Really, just think.  It's sort of a sad lemming mentality on these boards.  Every Wednesday you can expect one guy to post "They patched the game but there are still problems!!!!' and 120 of his lemming hole mates to follow up with 'Yeah, dey're da wurst cumpany evah!  i hopes dey die.'

What's the point of that?

Exactly.

Originally posted by Rebn77

Its like you've only ever played WoW, Vanguard and AoC, seriously. 

There are not many MMO's that I haven’t played, or betaed.

Originally posted by Rebn77

Yes, I can see that.

You and Bloodsworth are quite the lemmings. Keep following Ellingsen over that cliff .

Says the guy with the "Cool kid" Failcom avatar.  Independent thought much?

Originally posted by grimfall

Funny, I read this and think, everyone in your guild is a sad sad cheater.

The guild I where in had  people who I never thought would exploit. Most of them had good attitude, but exploiting was so easy and rewarding that all did it.. and not only my guild, it was known to most high levels on the server. Keep playing, cos you need to learn some lessons in your life appearantly.

Originally posted by Aguitha

I feel bad for you it took you 3 months to realise Funcom incompentence.

took me 2 weeks to realize how much of a shitty game it was. Even then I still felt bad for wasting 2 weeks.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

Yet. Would be the key word here. They are also not the first MMO to fix a dupe, and not do anything (for whatever reason) to remove the duped items. Such as Warcraft.  Also, how do any of you know that they didnt remove, or ban people? You automatically assume that because there was no press release about the banning that it didn’t happen?  Realize even Wow or other games don’t say anything about banning, and if they do, they already happened, even months ago before any public comments.

Its like none of you have played MMO's before, seriously.

If they removed the duped items, they should say so - I want to know. Personally I don't care about banning; I just want a level playing field restored.

What do I care about these other games you mention? I care about AoC, which is the game under discussion. Either you create an environment where rules apply, in a consistent and fair manner, or you don't. AoC to my mind is currently a mess.

So quite frankly your previous MMO experience matters naught to me.

What matters to me is the game Funcom are making here. And quite franlkly, the fact that cheaters and dupers are given a free pass, and that players who play honestly, like myself, are effectively told to put up and shut up - well, that's not a game I will be playing any more, thanks, and moreoever it is a game I will be doing my utmost to warn others against.

PS Mr Bloodworth, what is interesting is that only a few days ago you were suggesting that there were no dupes at all.

Says the guy with the "Cool kid" Failcom avatar.  Independent thought much?

Says the guy blindly believing everything Funcom feeds him. Independent thought much?

Before you jump and say "Zomg! Look what you did there .. no independent thoughts!". It was intentional and meant as a joke.

Unlike Avery, you resort to "name calling" and you take a "Holier than thou" approach to everything you post. You Sir, are a troll of the worst degree and no longer worth my time. Enjoy your time suckling Funcoms teet.

Originally posted by S1GNAL

Originally posted by grimfall

Funny, I read this and think, everyone in your guild is a sad sad cheater.

 

The guild I where in had  people who I never thought would exploit. Most of them had good attitude, but exploiting was so easy and rewarding that all did it.. and not only my guild, it was known to most high levels on the server. Keep playing, cos you need to learn some lessons in your life appearantly.

Apparently, this is why they aren't banning anyone, because if they did ban the exploiters there would be almost no one left!

They seem to even be affraid to remove obviously duped items, for fear they might drive any exploiters to quit. That's how desperate their position is right now.

Soon, the stock price will be 50% below it's pre-launch all time low and even then may be overpriced. How long before there are repurcusions for the idiots in management who decided to birth this fiasco?

If the game was complete crap, no one would care. However, this game had the potential, with proper additional development time, to be a huge longterm success. They blew it. They've also proven in the months since launch that they can not provide efficient enough post launch development to fix the game during the first year, if ever.

They had more than enough cash on hand to develop another year before launch. It was not a decision forced by financials. They may not even pull a small profit for the first year live, which makes the rushed launch even more insane. They traded away the future prospects of the game for...nothing!

Originally posted by markyturnip

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

 

PS Mr Bloodworth, what is interesting is that only a few days ago you were suggesting that there were no dupes at all.

I wasn’t aware of them, sue me. with all the huge exaggerations around here, can you blame me for not believing everything on the boards? Besides, too many people were getting it confused with gem stacking. I’m a human just like everyone else.

Originally posted by Rebn77

Says the guy with the "Cool kid" Failcom avatar.  Independent thought much?

 

Says the guy blindly believing everything Funcom feeds him. Independent thought much?

 

Before you jump and say "Zomg! Look what you did there .. no independent thoughts!". It was intentional and meant as a joke.

Unlike Avery, you resort to "name calling" and you take a "Holier than thou" approach to everything you post. You Sir, are a troll of the worst degree and no longer worth my time. Enjoy your time suckling Funcoms teet.

Please spare me. Your just mad I’m right (lol!), and haven’t joined the club of exaggerations and sectionalism. I do not believe everything funcom says, in fact, noting I ever say comes from funcom.They are just thr reaility of MMO Development. I would say the same things regardless of the game we are talking about, because dumb comments are dumb comments and there are a lot around here coming from your camp. I post the reality of the situation, and don’t get wrapped up in unreasonable expectations and exaggerations of the "I want it Now" generation.

If you think my posts are troll like, please look at your avatar, and posting history.I may name call, but i want to make sure you know im talking to you, and for that, it requires a simple Lauangue.

Everyone keeps placing this view that I think the game is perfect, and funcom can do no wrong, and that’s the farthest from that truth. But no one cares, because its nothing but flame time here.

Originally posted by fiontar

Apparently, this is why they aren't banning anyone, because if they did ban the exploiters there would be almost no one left!

They seem to even be affraid to remove obviously duped items, for fear they might drive any exploiters to quit. That's how desperate their position is right now.

The first line, is a good point. The potential repercussions would be larger than leaving them in. Most likely i suspect a different approach, such as changing how gems work altogether (such as the new post on their forums suggest) rather than ban a large portion of the player base that may not have know it was a bug or a bad thing to do, or bought the duped items.

Basically not punishing the player base for a mistake they made. This would not be the first time a development company has left the affected items in the game due to a large game wide bug created by them, but not the players fault at all.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by markyturnip

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

 

PS Mr Bloodworth, what is interesting is that only a few days ago you were suggesting that there were no dupes at all.

 

 

I wasn’t aware of them, sue me. with all the huge exaggerations around here, can you blame me for not believing everything on the boards? Besides, too many people were getting it confused with gem stacking. I’m a human just like everyone else.

 

Originally posted by Rebn77

Says the guy with the "Cool kid" Failcom avatar.  Independent thought much?

 

Says the guy blindly believing everything Funcom feeds him. Independent thought much?

 

Before you jump and say "Zomg! Look what you did there .. no independent thoughts!". It was intentional and meant as a joke.

Unlike Avery, you resort to "name calling" and you take a "Holier than thou" approach to everything you post. You Sir, are a troll of the worst degree and no longer worth my time. Enjoy your time suckling Funcoms teet.

 

 

Please spare me. Your just mad I’m right (lol!), and haven’t joined the club of exaggerations and sectionalism. I do not believe everything funcom says, in fact, noting I ever say comes from funcom.They are just thr reaility of MMO Development. I would say the same things regardless of the game we are talking about, because dumb comments are dumb comments and there are a lot around here coming from your camp. I post the reality of the situation, and don’t get wrapped up in unreasonable expectations and exaggerations of the "I want it Now" generation.

If you think my posts are troll like, please look at your avatar, and posting history.I may name call, but i want to make sure you know im talking to you, and for that, it requires a simple Lauangue.

Everyone keeps placing this view that I think the game is perfect, and funcom can do no wrong, and that’s the farthest from that truth. But no one cares, because its nothing but flame time here.

 

Originally posted by fiontar

Apparently, this is why they aren't banning anyone, because if they did ban the exploiters there would be almost no one left!

They seem to even be affraid to remove obviously duped items, for fear they might drive any exploiters to quit. That's how desperate their position is right now.

 

The first line, is a good point. The potential repercussions would be larger than leaving them in. Most likely i suspect a different approach, such as changing how gems work altogether (such as the new post on their forums suggest) rather than ban a large portion of the player base that may not have know it was a bug or a bad thing to do, or bought the duped items.

 

Basically not punishing the player base for a mistake they made. This would not be the first time a development company has left the affected items in the game due to a large game wide bug created by them, but not the players fault at all.

Again, bans are not necessary here.

But removing the duped gems is. People who claim they did not know this was a dupe/exploit are lying. They knew damn well.

The simple fact is, with this very widely known dupe. two camps emerged:

those who treated the game and its rules with disdain, because they knew Funcom was incapable;

and those who treated it with respect, and retained a flicker of hope that Funcom would do the right thing and remove the dupes.

The first group won. It speaks volumes about this game and the way in which it is handling its challenges.

No-one expects things to go perfectly. But the measure of an organisation is the way it deals with its challenges. In this case, Funcom are punsihing the decent and rewarding the corrupt. It is one more deeply worrying clue as to the state of the company, and its capacity to maintain a decent MMO.

This game was fine (ish) as a multiplayer trek to level 80. It is improving that aspect of the game now. But a lasting MMO, which people keep playing for months on end? No way jose.

I wont be discussing stuff with Mrbloodworth anymore, he is obvious a troll in denyal of what is true, and with no or little knowledge of how to fix issues.

Take the problem at its root, and do something about it. The cummunity dont need more lies, Funcom.