General Discussion

New MMO Player: "What's this WoW everyone is talking about?  I'm going to give it a try."

New MMO player discovers a game that is refined , easy to get into, but he gets bored - like any normal person would.

New MMO Player levels up to Novice MMO Player!!!!

Novice MMO Player: "I'm bored, I'm going to try something new.  Let me try this Age of Conan"

Novice  MMO player plays it for 1 day.

Novice MMO Player: "What is this crap?!  This game isn't perfect from day one?  I'm going to spread the word on forums, word of mouth, and every other form of communication I can!"

Some people hear Novice MMO Player's opinion and others like his and their opinions are changed about AoC.  Many people leave AoC, it becomes no longer profitable, and is forced to shut down.

Novice MMO Player returns to WoW to complain about his time in AoC and get his MMO fix, plays WoW for another month, and cancels his sub yet again in search of a new MMO. 

Novice MMO Player levels down to Troll.

Troll gets excited for WAR.

WAR releases, and Troll buys it right away.  Troll plays it for 2 weeks, compares it to WoW nonstop, and ruins his own fun.  Troll goes through the motions and some people hear his opinion and others like his and their opinions are changed about WAR.  Many people leave WAR, it becomes no longer profitable, and is forced to shut down.

We are caught in a vicious cycle.

Vanguard Saga of Heroes - Failed
Auto Assault - Failed
Hellgate London - Failed

Age of Conan - Getting a lot of complaints for, in my opinion, a good game.
WAR - Being compared to WoW too much.  STOP DOING THAT!
Everquest II - Came out the same time as WoW, and fell into darkness.

What do you think about this?  Am I spouting nonsense to you, or does what I say sound like the truth?  I hope you all start enjoying games more as a result by trying to have more fun.

you're right, I totally agree with you.

WAR has probably a 10% success rate once it's released.

WoW is a four year old game with a ton of end game content and an expansion under its belt.

No one cares about that, WAR is supposed to have more content, be more polished and sell more out the box then WoW.

the game is Doomed.

Once I buy WAR im going to leave mmorpg forums for six months so these guys don't destroy my RvR fun.

Once it releases this is what players will say:

the graphics are too cartoony

the combat is slow

the RvR is a Zerg fest

The PvE end game is lacking and buggy

The UI is too big and clunky

and I could go on and on......

putting every new mmo against WoW is stupid and wrong.

my 2c

I pray that every single MMO of this generation fails, and every single one in the next generation does as well, until they finally decide it's time to but some actual effort into making something that deserves to be played.  The games coming out currently seem to be made by those who feel just the time, effort and money alone should guarantee a success.  That copying and thieving ideas from successful games WITHOUT actually understanding why those games were a success should work as well or be similarly beneficial.

Fail.  I seriously am angered by how talentless the majority of this industry is becoming.  Where those with talent line the bottom of the industry attempting to scrape their way to the middle, while talentless hacks who simply copy ideas thrive and make game after horrid and unfinished game.

Originally posted by eldanloco
What do you think about this?  Am I spouting nonsense to you, or does what I say sound like the truth?  I hope you all start enjoying games more as a result by trying to have more fun.

Spouting nonsense bit.

Originally posted by tunabun

I pray that every single MMO of this generation fails, and every single one in the next generation does as well, until they finally decide it's time to but some actual effort into making something that deserves to be played.  The games coming out currently seem to be made by those who feel just the time, effort and money alone should guarantee a success.  That copying and thieving ideas from successful games WITHOUT actually understanding why those games were a success should work as well or be similarly beneficial.

Fail.  I seriously am angered by how talentless the majority of this industry is becoming.  Where those with talent line the bottom of the industry attempting to scrape their way to the middle, while talentless hacks who simply copy ideas thrive and make game after horrid and unfinished game.

WAR seems to know why things they have taken from other games worked well in other games. If we get 2 generation of mmos that fail how many AAA companies do you think will back one? Will be stuck with games that take 6+ years to make becuase they can't get support that the mmos of this generation get.

I'm in total agreement i'm so tired of the WoW fan boys i never played WoW and never will so luckily i haven't needed to compare the Game with any others, like i would.

Each game i judge for myself not what others say sure they have an opinion great for them personally i prefer mine first..

And WoW should have failed in my opinion just by the terrible graphics alone make my eyes bleed to look at it never will play it.

It's the players fault! It's always the players fault.

Originally posted by tunabun

I pray that every single MMO of this generation fails, and every single one in the next generation does as well, until they finally decide it's time to but some actual effort into making something that deserves to be played.  The games coming out currently seem to be made by those who feel just the time, effort and money alone should guarantee a success.  That copying and thieving ideas from successful games WITHOUT actually understanding why those games were a success should work as well or be similarly beneficial.

Fail.  I seriously am angered by how talentless the majority of this industry is becoming.  Where those with talent line the bottom of the industry attempting to scrape their way to the middle, while talentless hacks who simply copy ideas thrive and make game after horrid and unfinished game.

/support

A good game speaks for itself, a good following or reputation is better though.

I like to believe most of us are smart enough to sift through the BS and read between the lines.

If you don't think we are, your reading too many bad posts. Start skimming more and reading less.