Originally posted by Sevensodd

This is what i'm talking about.   Stop making up peoples minds for them.  Lets them make their own decisions.  Lets say an ex-girlfriend of yours warned EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE girlfriend to avoid you at all costs because your a loser that plays videos games and has no job (assuming you have had a girlfriend, if not just pretend what it would be like).  How is that fair?  Its not.  Just because some girl didn't like you doesn't mean some other girl won't be into you playing games all day and having no job.  Please if  you do not understand my metaphors, do not respond.

I understand your metaphor perfectly but I think if you are a no life loser then your ex should warn every girl you try to date about you and the lesson here is if you have a girlfriend get a job and for petes sakes! do things with her!

Originally posted by Sevensodd

Originally posted by HBlite

 

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Originally posted by Sevensodd
This is what i'm talking about.   Stop making up peoples minds for them.  Lets them make their own decisions.  Lets say an ex-girlfriend of yours warned EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE girlfriend to avoid you at all costs because your a loser that plays videos games and has no job (assuming you have had a girlfriend, if not just pretend what it would be like).  How is that fair?  Its not.  Just because some girl didn't like you doesn't mean some other girl won't be into you playing games all day and having no job.  Please if  you do not understand my metaphors, do not respond.

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That's like saying if you knew your friend's plane was going to blow up, let him find out for himself instead of telling him. Or don't tell your friends about the bad dinning experience you had at some restaurant, let them find out for themselves. Works both ways now don't it. It's human nature to boycott or tell everyone you know close to you about the experiences you had. He just saved some "kid's" "hard earned" money from being wasted. He should be given the key to the city.

Maybe you need to wake up and realize the reason you have no players around is because the game is total crap and flawed in so many ways. Stop accepting crap!

 

First off, I do not play anymore.  Secondly, it is NOT total crap.  It is a decent game.  I dont know if you were expecting some shiny gem at release or what.  But 400 thousand other current subscribers still think it is a fun game.  And as far as the "plane blowing up" that would be  a  FACT.  There are tons of people who like this game. Which would be OPINION.  And the "bad dining experience" is the same thing. OPINION.  I found a hair in a burger king burger once.  Did i sit outside the store and protest they have AWFUL food? No.  Same concept.

You might have if you paid 50 bucks for the burger and they expected you to pay a monthly fee afterwards, and honestly if you don't even play the game why do you care if someone states their opinion about it?

With the quality of AoC the game should be free with maybe and thats a big maybe a small $5-$10 a month fee at most. The way it stands now at $50 it should come packaged with a jar of vasoline.

Originally posted by Sevensodd

This is what i'm talking about.   Stop making up peoples minds for them.  Lets them make their own decisions.  Lets say an ex-girlfriend of yours warned EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE girlfriend to avoid you at all costs because your a loser that plays videos games and has no job (assuming you have had a girlfriend, if not just pretend what it would be like).  How is that fair?  Its not.  Just because some girl didn't like you doesn't mean some other girl won't be into you playing games all day and having no job.  Please if  you do not understand my metaphors, do not respond.

Do you really think everyone is that stupid.  If one girl does this and no other then she is probably a little nutty, if you have multiple women doing this then there is probably something wrong with you.

This sort of stuff happens all the time.  Making up people's minds for them indeed. 

Well I am off to practice my powers of mind control.

I went to best buy the other day to pick up a WAR preorder box. While I was there I saw a big fresh cardbox box practically overflowing with copies of Age of Conan. Thinking that maybe this was a new shipment I asked the clerk if they were still selling as much as  they did at release and gestured at the box. The clerk just laughed and told they werent for sale - because they were *returned* copies.

well as i see it i would rather not play a mmo where they just try to take your money i go for the free ones that just try to get your money with item malls and sometimes they do lucky them huh!!

Originally posted by Grunties

I went to best buy the other day to pick up a WAR preorder box. While I was there I saw a big fresh cardbox box practically overflowing with copies of Age of Conan. Thinking that maybe this was a new shipment I asked the clerk if they were still selling as much as  they did at release and gestured at the box. The clerk just laughed and told they werent for sale - because they were *returned* copies.

Since when did Best Buy allow returns of opened software?

All I can say is:

Exceptions
The following items are not returnable:

• Labor and/or installation services
• Items that are abused
• Opened computer software, movies, music and video games
  • If the original item is opened and is damaged or defective, or if an incorrect item was shipped, you may receive credit for these items. Please see details below (Damaged, Defective or Incorrect Items section).
• iTunes prepaid music cards
• Best Buy Digital Music Store cards
• Best Buy/Kodak Gallery Prepaid Photo Cards
• UMusic Prepaid Ringtone cards

Any

merchandise missing the original Universal Product Code (UPC) cannot be returned. If the item is damaged or defective, please see details below.

Taken directly from www.bestbuy.com/site//olspage.jsp

This policy is almost the exact same for Gamestop and EBgames on software. Btw I'm not some huge fan of Age of Conan and really hate the way it's being run. And to the OP, the guy's yout alked to very well could of thought you were annoying, and left the store to go buy it somewere else. You don't know how many times I am in gamestop and some loser feels his need to talk to me about a game he hates that I am looking at. Either way, does it matter? The game is a niche game, let it be that. But to all those fools saying they took back their copy, comon and be for real.

the OP should be a traveling cigarette salesman, thats the same type of shady attitude

Originally posted by ghostinfinit

1) Log on

2) Ask yourself "What do I feel like trying to do?  I can't craft level 80 items because my guild's city isn't high enough.  I don't feel like farming for hours and hours ( I want some action, I want to improve my gear and/or get some high level quests done)  Maybe I'll try to get an epic kheshatta group"

3)  Start spamming "80**** LFG >>> epic Kheshatta (add any other high level quest area as well) pst"

*note* this is where it usually ends and you log off, in the amazing chance you get a group....

4) Group forms up and heads to epic Kheshatta

5) camp is taken, move on to the next one

6) do step "5" any where from 1-5 times and then give up

Well my experience is a bit different.
1. Log ON

2. I load  in Kashetta and while Iam still thinking what will I do some starting to beat me up while my "protection" is still on.  I hover over the protection buff and see 9 seconds to go, I buff my self and start gaining some distance and as soon as the buff is off I beat the crap out of him.

3. Now checking my guild window to see there are 34 members online, I ask in guild chat whats up and members are responding we are in Epic Kashetta now grinding and protection our spawn as we get attacked by other groups every now and then.

4. I joined them and do some grind there for like 20 minutes ( got lucky with 1 epic too ) then one of the members suggest lets go to normal Kashetta and grind that camp for gems so we do it.
Once we port there few more members wanna join and asking in what instance are we .. checking the instance window I see 5 instances we told them come to Balder and lets make 3 groups.

5. Around 1.5h pass since I log in its 17:30 GMT and people are getting raid for our Black Citadel Raid.
The raid is over within 2h and around 10 members were put out of rotation so I ask them what are you guys up to, the raid is over ... they responded we are fighting with few russian guilds at city in kashetta, all of our raid moves there and what we see is almost 2 full raids of russian guild against several other guilds and us. After around 45 minutes of fighting there is like 28 members online we still have 1 raid group goin on but russians are logging off.

Well thats above average day in AoC.

Average day:
1. Raid either BRC or vistrix
2. Some group farming in epic or normal kashetta
3. 2 days per week we dont raid but are doing boosting groups .. 1 boosting group of lvl 60 and 70 and another 12 man raid for protection.
4. At least 3 to 5 mini games to boost up our guild points.  ( 3 to 5 for me )
5. Some open world PvP group vs group or raid vs raid.

But as some mention AoC is quite boring because there is not much you can do the only thing beside raiding is the content you create for your self.

We wanna do sieging but its borked, we wanna get pvp XP points but they are not implemented, we wanna have PvP weapons/armors but there are ingame yet etc...

If you are in casual guild or solo there is really nothing to do to be worth while once you reach level 80 until they provide some decent end game content ( raiding is far from enough ) players will leave the game.
 

AoC is worth all the money if you dont mind qutting the game once you reach max level, you have great combat system, quests are good and funny, you have great graphics etc .. ( keep in mind the game will crash from time to time, there are few annoying bugs and if you cant stand that do not buy it ).

p.s. I feel sorry for WAR couse the same ex AoC fans that were bashing WAR few months ago and now are speaking like WAR is 2nd comming ... wait 2 months after WAR is released and just keep track what will they do.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Grunties

I went to best buy the other day to pick up a WAR preorder box. While I was there I saw a big fresh cardbox box practically overflowing with copies of Age of Conan. Thinking that maybe this was a new shipment I asked the clerk if they were still selling as much as  they did at release and gestured at the box. The clerk just laughed and told they werent for sale - because they were *returned* copies.

 

Since when did Best Buy allow returns of opened software?

Who knows, possibly around the time companies started printing lies on the box. If they receive enough complaints and the customer can prove that the product was misrepresented by the developer or just downright not functional, they will often make exceptions. Its all in how you approach the clerk at the return desk. Apparently many made a big enough stink about it to get them to cave for this particular game.

You have to remember that Best buy is not run by fanboys or funcom employees, they are run by rational adults that know whether its worth it to piss off customers and lose business by not allowing a return on a bad product. Its possible the manager and employees gave it a try and realized it was bad as well.

As for me, I'm not quite so good at bartering with the clerks, so I just chalked up my purchase of the game as a loss. I wish I had the money back, I could have used it to buy something that was good, but oh well. At least others seem to be having some success.

While I didn't get clarification from the clerk, I highly doubt it was a full refund. It was most likely just store credit.

A person should not automatically adopt another's opinion, good or bad.

That said, a person should still take advice. If you hear lots of varied opinions on a product, make your own choice. If you hear an overwhelmingly positive sea of opinions about it, that's a pretty safe bet. If you hear an overwhelmingly negative sea of opinions about it, it is usually a good idea to stay away.

Yes, there is always that tiny chance that AoC is a great game that is simply surrounded by bad press. Yes, it may just be that you have to try it for yourself to realize that all those angry bloggers were wrong.

But that's such a small chance. It's just so much more likely that it is a terrible game, and that even if you LOVE it, it will be shut down so that Funcom can work on their latest "project"

Hmm.. I wonder was it this easy for charles manson..

I'm one of those "strangers" who don't really care who spends money on what (unless they are buying one of my hookers).. So why would I waste time trying to "convince" someone why not to play a game?

I'm sure if they really wanted to play it, they would have just took the plunge and bought it anyway.. So obviously they were already  little weary from the start..

Originally posted by Sevensodd

This is what i'm talking about.   Stop making up peoples minds for them.  Lets them make their own decisions.  Lets say an ex-girlfriend of yours warned EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE girlfriend to avoid you at all costs because your a loser that plays videos games and has no job (assuming you have had a girlfriend, if not just pretend what it would be like).  How is that fair?  Its not.  Just because some girl didn't like you doesn't mean some other girl won't be into you playing games all day and having no job.  Please if  you do not understand my metaphors, do not respond.

so is ok for  the person  who runs the shop to hype the game up so some poor kid can wasts his money . dont think  so. ivd stood in shop  nearly pissing my self  listening to the crap sales  person was coming out  with.

so  i jump in told em the truth guest what they never bought the game . even said go on the internet  if dont beleave me . people should be warned from buying this game . like  lot people on here i was on closed beta  so im pissed at this game and funcom .after playing ao for 3 years  with out any problems im gutten at how aoc as turned out

Originally posted by Sevensodd

This is what i'm talking about.   Stop making up peoples minds for them.  Lets them make their own decisions.  Lets say an ex-girlfriend of yours warned EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE girlfriend to avoid you at all costs because your a loser that plays videos games and has no job (assuming you have had a girlfriend, if not just pretend what it would be like).  How is that fair?  Its not.  Just because some girl didn't like you doesn't mean some other girl won't be into you playing games all day and having no job.  Please if  you do not understand my metaphors, do not respond.

these guys are trolling lol

"all 30 of my guild mates to wait for WAR"

LOL yeah ok

Please don't feed the trolls

Originally posted by IKShadow

Originally posted by ghostinfinit

1) Log on

2) Ask yourself "What do I feel like trying to do?  I can't craft level 80 items because my guild's city isn't high enough.  I don't feel like farming for hours and hours ( I want some action, I want to improve my gear and/or get some high level quests done)  Maybe I'll try to get an epic kheshatta group"

3)  Start spamming "80**** LFG >>> epic Kheshatta (add any other high level quest area as well) pst"

*note* this is where it usually ends and you log off, in the amazing chance you get a group....

4) Group forms up and heads to epic Kheshatta

5) camp is taken, move on to the next one

6) do step "5" any where from 1-5 times and then give up

 

Well my experience is a bit different.
1. Log ON

2. I load  in Kashetta and while Iam still thinking what will I do some starting to beat me up while my "protection" is still on.  I hover over the protection buff and see 9 seconds to go, I buff my self and start gaining some distance and as soon as the buff is off I beat the crap out of him.

3. Now checking my guild window to see there are 34 members online, I ask in guild chat whats up and members are responding we are in Epic Kashetta now grinding and protection our spawn as we get attacked by other groups every now and then.

4. I joined them and do some grind there for like 20 minutes ( got lucky with 1 epic too ) then one of the members suggest lets go to normal Kashetta and grind that camp for gems so we do it.
Once we port there few more members wanna join and asking in what instance are we .. checking the instance window I see 5 instances we told them come to Balder and lets make 3 groups.

5. Around 1.5h pass since I log in its 17:30 GMT and people are getting raid for our Black Citadel Raid.
The raid is over within 2h and around 10 members were put out of rotation so I ask them what are you guys up to, the raid is over ... they responded we are fighting with few russian guilds at city in kashetta, all of our raid moves there and what we see is almost 2 full raids of russian guild against several other guilds and us. After around 45 minutes of fighting there is like 28 members online we still have 1 raid group goin on but russians are logging off.

Well thats above average day in AoC.

Average day:
1. Raid either BRC or vistrix
2. Some group farming in epic or normal kashetta
3. 2 days per week we dont raid but are doing boosting groups .. 1 boosting group of lvl 60 and 70 and another 12 man raid for protection.
4. At least 3 to 5 mini games to boost up our guild points.  ( 3 to 5 for me )
5. Some open world PvP group vs group or raid vs raid.

But as some mention AoC is quite boring because there is not much you can do the only thing beside raiding is the content you create for your self.

We wanna do sieging but its borked, we wanna get pvp XP points but they are not implemented, we wanna have PvP weapons/armors but there are ingame yet etc...

If you are in casual guild or solo there is really nothing to do to be worth while once you reach level 80 until they provide some decent end game content ( raiding is far from enough ) players will leave the game.
 

AoC is worth all the money if you dont mind qutting the game once you reach max level, you have great combat system, quests are good and funny, you have great graphics etc .. ( keep in mind the game will crash from time to time, there are few annoying bugs and if you cant stand that do not buy it ).

p.s. I feel sorry for WAR couse the same ex AoC fans that were bashing WAR few months ago and now are speaking like WAR is 2nd comming ... wait 2 months after WAR is released and just keep track what will they do.

Well fortunately for WAR its not a 1-20 Tortage wonder. They took plenty of time to flesh the game out, RvR really is the end-game complete with rewards and endless progression.
 

It's not about trying to sway someone's opinion or letting them try it out to decide for themselves.  The box literally contains false information about what is inside of it.   Missing direct X 10 is not an opinion, it is a fact.  People deserve to know if the packaging does not reflect the contents of the box.  Letting someone else pay $50 to play it won't make them find direct X 10, it simply is not there.   You did the right thing by letting someone know the box lists features that are not in the game.

Originally posted by metalhead980

these guys are trolling lol

"all 30 of my guild mates to wait for WAR"

LOL yeah ok

 

Please don't feed the trolls

As a guild leader, who often interacts with other guild leaders, I can tell you with 100% honesty and first hand experience that these claims are true.  My guild actually is 80 people, and the 2 guilds I worked with in AOC, both numbering around 30-50 members each, all have had a complete cancellation.   That means every single member on the roster canceled their accounts. 

You are simply in denial if you think these claims are far fetched.  Try walking in my shoes for a minute.   Every decision I make costs people money.   If I sign on to a game, there is a good chance that up to 80 people will as well.  When the game fails to live up to its expectations, it makes me feel bad for wasting people's time and money because of dishonest developers.  The responsible thing to do from my position is to pull the plug on the game to prevent anymore wasted money in subscriptions or time invested.  As such, it should not hard for you to believe these statements, especially when you look at AoC objectively and see it for the debacle that it truly has become.

Originally posted by Euthorus

Well fortunately for WAR its not a 1-20 Tortage wonder. They took plenty of time to flesh the game out, RvR really is the end-game complete with rewards and endless progression.
 

I really hope you are in beta thats all i can say :)

AoC had way longer beta testing (from April 07 till May 08 - with both general where started from level 1 and got no limitation  and tehnical / focus test ) and it was 2nd coming for a lot of beta players .. we all can see how it turned out.

All Iam saying is do not take everything you hear for granted, being in WAR beta i can say game looks great but as all new games there are some issues so just wait for release before you start claiming ....

I for one cannot imagine any game being worse than AoC. And Mythic has a much better track record than Funcom.