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...and there were a couple of kids ( I call them kids, but it's subjective at my age) and we started talking about games and they were looking at AOC. We started bouncing around MMO's we had played, and then we got into the nitty gritty of AOC. Medium story made short, I talked them out of buying AOC. I feel I did my good deed for the day. |
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Rhoklaw
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8/16/08 11:02:11 PM#2
Too funny cause I did the same thing at Best Buy yesterday. This is after I convinced all 30 of my guildmates to call it quits and wait for WAR. I really wasn't going to push FailCom's buttons, but after witnessing the release firsthand and listening to their BS story about a flawless launch, I have no mercy for them what so ever. |
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8/16/08 11:08:19 PM#3
This is what i'm talking about. Stop making up peoples minds for them. Lets them make their own decisions. Lets say an ex-girlfriend of yours warned EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE girlfriend to avoid you at all costs because your a loser that plays videos games and has no job (assuming you have had a girlfriend, if not just pretend what it would be like). How is that fair? Its not. Just because some girl didn't like you doesn't mean some other girl won't be into you playing games all day and having no job. Please if you do not understand my metaphors, do not respond. |
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Reborn17
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Joined: 9/17/07
"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." |
8/16/08 11:24:57 PM#4
Originally posted by infidelix
Bless you. "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -Edmund Burke Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?" |
Originally posted by Sevensodd
There in lies the beauty of our discussion. i didn't have to convince the guys of anything. All I had to do was state the facts and relay the state of the game ( I was a good sport and didn't mention reading any forums). Free thinking wins again. Viral marketing at its finest. As far as having a girlfriend, yes you are correct Sevensodd, it's sad to say I do not have a girlfriend at this time, but I do have a beautiful wife that I love dearly who is soon to deliver my two beautiful boys.
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8/16/08 11:28:41 PM#6
Originally posted by infidelix
There in lies the beauty of our discussion. i didn't have to convince the guys of anything. All I had to do was state the facts and relay the state of the game ( I was a good sport and didn't mention reading any forums). Free thinking wins again. Viral marketing at its finest. As far as having a girlfriend, yes you are correct Sevensodd, it's sad to say I do not have a girlfriend at this time, but I do have a beautiful wife that I love dearly who is soon to deliver my two beautiful boys.
Well congrats and welcome to fatherhood. |
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8/16/08 11:32:22 PM#7
now whyd you do that? we couldve had more hate posts on here |
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Hashbrick
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Joined: 4/12/05
Only jackasses label their PC specs in their sig. |
8/16/08 11:33:01 PM#8
That's like saying if you knew your friend's plane was going to blow up, let him find out for himself instead of telling him. Or don't tell your friends about the bad dinning experience you had at some restaurant, let them find out for themselves. Works both ways now don't it. It's human nature to boycott or tell everyone you know close to you about the experiences you had. He just saved some "kid's" "hard earned" money from being wasted. He should be given the key to the city. Maybe you need to wake up and realize the reason you have no players around is because the game is total crap and flawed in so many ways. Stop accepting crap!
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8/16/08 11:37:10 PM#9
Well, that's one bag of popcorn that gets to stay another day. Edit: I may have spoke too soon. And congrats on the kids! -------- The most awesomest after school special T-shirt: |
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8/16/08 11:40:49 PM#10
Originally posted by HBlite
First off, I do not play anymore. Secondly, it is NOT total crap. It is a decent game. I dont know if you were expecting some shiny gem at release or what. But 400 thousand other current subscribers still think it is a fun game. And as far as the "plane blowing up" that would be a FACT. There are tons of people who like this game. Which would be OPINION. And the "bad dining experience" is the same thing. OPINION. I found a hair in a burger king burger once. Did i sit outside the store and protest they have AWFUL food? No. Same concept. |
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8/16/08 11:41:16 PM#11
Originally posted by Sevensodd
http://dontdatehimgirl.com/home/ ==========================
I digress however, as my response to your post is simply that people can and do make up their own minds. If you believe that people will take the advice of a stranger, than you do not understand how the scenario's by the first two posters came to pass.
In the first scenario, the prospective customer's built a measure of rapport and trust; and even then they had the option to simply try it on their own and see for themselves. In the second scenario, the same qualities are present and coupled with the guild member's own experiences; with the second poster's comments reinforcing their opinions. Whether they act on it will be seen in September.
In both cases, the choice ultimately is with the party who will make their future decision. If nothing else, they're following the 10/2 rule of negative/positive word of mouth; which is what people do and your input on that observation will hold no sway when it comes to its real world application.
By your own logic, saying positive things about a product or service shouldn't be done either correct? People should be free to make up their own minds correct? Or are you saying that negative word of mouth should be silenced only? Your post implies the latter, so clarification would be appreciated. |
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8/16/08 11:44:26 PM#12
Originally posted by Sevensodd
First off, I do not play anymore. Secondly, it is NOT total crap. It is a decent game. I dont know if you were expecting some shiny gem at release or what. But 400 thousand other current subscribers still think it is a fun game. And as far as the "plane blowing up" that would be a FACT. There are tons of people who like this game. Which would be OPINION. And the "bad dining experience" is the same thing. OPINION. I found a hair in a burger king burger once. Did i sit outside the store and protest they have AWFUL food? No. Same concept. Why do people keep saying 400k. Thats not the real figure it s from June. As far as the op goes, good for you i would do the same . actually i have. Word of mouth is the best or worst advertising. They deserve what they re getting. I hope more people do this. |
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8/16/08 11:47:04 PM#13
It's ridiculous that companies can go lie outright to potential customers about their release (not just videogames). Good job on stating the facts to them. You probably saved them money for a better game. www.oblinq.com/SnowmonkeysTemple/ |
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indiramourn
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Joined: 12/13/05
MMOs require more reasoning and imagination than most stereotypically ''adult'' activities. |
8/16/08 11:49:12 PM#14
Originally posted by infidelix You're blessed, Infedelix. My best to you and yours. |
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Hashbrick
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Joined: 4/12/05
Only jackasses label their PC specs in their sig. |
8/16/08 11:52:16 PM#15
AoC the pile of garbage it is, is one of the most buggiest, poorly directed, exploitative, performance hung game I ever set my eyes on. Not to mention the business tactics behind it before and after launch. But it is your OPINION there is nothing game breaking about this MMO. The point wasn't about boycotting, it was about telling other people what happened. I know damn well you told someone you found a hair in your bk burger at one point in time. It all has to do with experiences. Trust me there is no 400k people still in game that number has been tossed around for more than a couple months, it has defiantly gone down. When you start loosing major guilds from your game that's not an "oh uh" that's an "oh shit!". Players are expendable but huge guilds leaving is a serious problem. Abandon ship mateys!
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8/16/08 11:55:33 PM#16
Originally posted by Sevensodd
First off, I do not play anymore. Secondly, it is NOT total crap. It is a decent game. I dont know if you were expecting some shiny gem at release or what. But 400 thousand other current subscribers still think it is a fun game. And as far as the "plane blowing up" that would be a FACT. There are tons of people who like this game. Which would be OPINION. And the "bad dining experience" is the same thing. OPINION. I found a hair in a burger king burger once. Did i sit outside the store and protest they have AWFUL food? No. Same concept.
If you don't play anymore, then I'd say you don't have a vested interest nor direct experience with the state of the game as it is currently. As such, I'd go a step further and say that your desire to frequent the forums for a title you no longer play, and engage people who do play and are voicing their discontent with their current or "recent" experiences with the game is odd at best.
Some thoughts: 1. A game doesn't need to be defended. It is enjoyed or it is not, period. 2. Your reference to it being a decent game is opinion and is no more or less important than those who's opion would be at odds to that statement. 3. Saying that a 50% loss in customers is a positive thing, because the other 50% haven't left yet is really grasping at straws. More to the point, is that Funcom anticipates larger losses (see Lit's post for more details). Also see the stock drop as investors who didn't unload during the bubble unloaded huge amounts of shares; dropping the value of the stock by a significant margin.
So back to my original question. Why are you on this specific forum again? If you supported and believe in the product, why aren't you playing it and supporting it by being one of those 400k subs? |
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8/16/08 11:56:22 PM#17
Originally posted by Sin-Reaper
http://dontdatehimgirl.com/home/ ==========================
I digress however, as my response to your post is simply that people can and do make up their own minds. If you believe that people will take the advice of a stranger, than you do not understand how the scenario's by the first two posters came to pass.
In the first scenario, the prospective customer's built a measure of rapport and trust; and even then they had the option to simply try it on their own and see for themselves. In the second scenario, the same qualities are present and coupled with the guild member's own experiences; with the second poster's comments reinforcing their opinions. Whether they act on it will be seen in September.
In both cases, the choice ultimately is with the party who will make their future decision. If nothing else, they're following the 10/2 rule of negative/positive word of mouth; which is what people do and your input on that observation will hold no sway when it comes to its real world application.
By your own logic, saying positive things about a product or service shouldn't be done either correct? People should be free to make up their own minds correct? Or are you saying that negative word of mouth should be silenced only? Your post implies the latter, so clarification would be appreciated.
You've got the concept down. Try it yourself.Take ANYTHING positive OR negative with a grain of salt. In business the theory is, a happy customer may tell 1 person, where an unhappy customer may tell 10. Which is exactly whats happening here. And its wrong, plain and simple. One person may absolutley HATE the game, and tell 20 people to stay away, and they do. Now had they tried it maybe 10 or 15 might have loved the game? Which cuts down on money earned by the company, which in turn cuts down on the quality of the product. So, in essence, the more people who bash this game and convince others NOT to at least try it and make up their own mind, the worse this game will become. |
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8/17/08 12:04:43 AM#18
Originally posted by Sin-Reaper
If you don't play anymore, then I'd say you don't have a vested interest nor direct experience with the state of the game as it is currently. As such, I'd go a step further and say that your desire to frequent the forums for a title you no longer play, and engage people who do play and are voicing their discontent with their current or "recent" experiences with the game is odd at best.
Some thoughts: 1. A game doesn't need to be defended. It is enjoyed or it is not, period. 2. Your reference to it being a decent game is opinion and is no more or less important than those who's opion would be at odds to that statement. 3. Saying that a 50% loss in customers is a positive thing, because the other 50% haven't left yet is really grasping at straws. More to the point, is that Funcom anticipates larger losses (see Lit's post for more details). Also see the stock drop as investors who didn't unload during the bubble unloaded huge amounts of shares; dropping the value of the stock by a significant margin.
So back to my original question. Why are you on this specific forum again? If you supported and believe in the product, why aren't you playing it and supporting it by being one of those 400k subs?
Plain and simple, the game is not what I want(canceled yesterday). Yes, it is a good game. At least far from the bashings of it. But, like WoW, it's just not for me. Think of it as 1 person trying to defend something everyone else on the bandwagon seems to hate. And much of those "bandwagoners" have never really played the game. If 90% of the world HATED burritos, would you NEVER try one? Im just saying at LEAST try it, a lot of people would like it. |
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8/17/08 12:07:12 AM#19
Originally posted by Sevensodd
You've got the concept down. Try it yourself.Take ANYTHING positive OR negative with a grain of salt. In business the theory is, a happy customer may tell 1 person, where an unhappy customer may tell 10. Which is exactly whats happening here. And its wrong, plain and simple. One person may absolutley HATE the game, and tell 20 people to stay away, and they do. Now had they tried it maybe 10 or 15 might have loved the game? Which cuts down on money earned by the company, which in turn cuts down on the quality of the product. So, in essence, the more people who bash this game and convince others NOT to at least try it and make up their own mind, the worse this game will become. I disagree. I told 4 personal friends of mine not to buy it because they asked what i thought. I told them flat out how FC lies, the game is buggy and IMO boring as hell. Theres nothing wrong with what i did. It was my opinion that they shouldn t get it and since they asked ME what else you want me to say. As i said before i hope more people do the same. Some companies need a kick in the ass. |
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8/17/08 12:11:35 AM#20
Originally posted by Sevensodd
You've got the concept down. Try it yourself.Take ANYTHING positive OR negative with a grain of salt. In business the theory is, a happy customer may tell 1 person, where an unhappy customer may tell 10. Which is exactly whats happening here. And its wrong, plain and simple. One person may absolutley HATE the game, and tell 20 people to stay away, and they do. Now had they tried it maybe 10 or 15 might have loved the game? Which cuts down on money earned by the company, which in turn cuts down on the quality of the product. So, in essence, the more people who bash this game and convince others NOT to at least try it and make up their own mind, the worse this game will become.
It's not a business concept, it's the real application of empirical data from countless decades now. This ratio has a confidence interval of 95%; which is why you hear it being refered to endlessly in examples by marketing, sales, et al. What companies strive to do, is to either mitigate or promote whichever end of the spectrum suits them best. The local breakfast place near me relies exclusively on positive word of mouth (no print or television ads); and should they ever start to experience a trend in negative word of mouth; they have some choices: 1. Address the issue(s) or minimize the impact of said issue(s). 2. Ignore it 3. Factor if whether this impacts current run costs. If they planned to expand; they may not have the revenue to do so; if they didn't and they're ok with the current customer sat hit; then they'll be fine as long as they factored that kind of decline as part of their strategy.
There is nothing WRONG about people sharing their experiences; good or bad. |
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