Originally posted by maveric007

I think a large amount of the AoC haters going over to war will be shocked by the bugs and issues with the game. This should bring their full hate attention onto war which should be pretty entertaining. Other then that no release of any major mmorpg has been great in the first 6 months. The war release will prove this point once again.

you obviously haven't played the game, there is more bugs in age of conan now 3 months into release then in war beta. I glad someone came out and made a fun game or we would see boring games like vanguard(i feel ill thinking about that game) become popular due to lack of anything better to play.

The flaming between AoC and WAR doesn't mean much to me.

The only thing I care for from Game Workshop's IP is a Warhammer 40,000 MMO.

1.  Consistency.  They must do what they say when they say it at least 40% of the time.

2. Waiting three months before buying.  I don't care how good the WAR launch is.  IMO, Conan failed 2 months after release, and WAR does not show signs that it will not do the same.

Things to look for.

Its cliched but... 

1. Does it live up to the " its super fun" hype.  I hope it does, ive been following WAR from the beginning.

2. Class Balancing

3. Community Development.  The gamers keep MMOs alive after all.

I'll be looking at developer communication.  There will be the inevitable uproar from the community over something.  What I care about is how the company reacts to and handles it.

I don't plan to join Warhammer until at least a month after launch anyway.  AoC just kicked me in the balls as far as launch expectations go.

I would never tell anyone NOT to wait a month and see how the game is if you truly are on the fence and especially if you are on a budget.  I will say that I think people are going to be pleasantly surprised on the honesty/ developer communication side.  As to the gameplay/style of the game it may or may not be your cup of tea.  My favorite part of WoW was PvP before battlegrounds were introduced (when we used to take cities and try to hold them as long as possible) and Alterac Valley when it first came out and people actually fought tooth and nail to push back the other side.  I also enjoy WAR... take that as you may.

Originally posted by octa

I'll be looking at developer communication.  There will be the inevitable uproar from the community over something.  What I care about is how the company reacts to and handles it.

I don't plan to join Warhammer until at least a month after launch anyway.  AoC just kicked me in the balls as far as launch expectations go.

win. Although I wont be waiting until a month after (I dont like stating out behind hehe), I can totally agree with this. Conan really did a number on my psyche as far as future releases go. I mean lets be honest, the launch is everthing. Love it or hate it, all signs point to vanguard being a very well run, complete game... NOW.. but at release.. u get the point. Even so, I sit here staring at my Vanguard box... itching to reinstall for a month just for something to do, and yet I wont. Something stops me. Im guessing its my disappointment from the first time it filled up m hard drive. I will never look at MMO's the same after these 2 launches. But to answer the question as to things I will be looking for...

1. Deliver your core goals and elements. I dont care that osme things were remove, none of it was gamebreaking for me. What I do care about, however, and to some extent expect even more out of now, if what they are leaving IN. You gotta take certain things out in order to focus on other things? fine. But prove to me that it was to my benefit.

2. Active Mythic community. In wow and other such games, getting a question or problem resolved is usually a click away. I expect to get that same experience if I have problems here.

3. Be prepared, and show me that you have learned SOMETHING from all these horrible releases. They say release was pushed back a million times de to wanting to be prepared. Prove it. Dont make the same stupid mistakes at launch that all of us know can be prevented. Dont make me suffer through the exact same things all over again. Cars have 4 wheels, mirrors, and headlights. dont try to make them fly too. Do what you do, and do it well, while learning from others mistakes along the way.

4. Dont try to become something you arent. After launch I will be looking for this. do they stay true to the game, or do they do what everyone wants just to get more subs? This is the one thing I hate about WoW.. as far as Im concerned arenas damn near killed the game.

I digress.. but thats what I'm looking for.

I am going to stop by Best Buy or Game Stop tomorrow and pick up a pre order box for 10 bucks. I doubt if I play past the "open beta" since I am determine to finish leveling one of alts in LoTRO  before Morial releases but WTF I want to see the game for myself. And then again I might not even bother wit WAR at all, not even open beta ~shrug~

Anyway my friends in closed have had nothing but praise for the game and I am familiar with Mythic from  2 and a half years with DAoC and they are pretty good with their customer service so I think that the game  will hammer <groan> the final nail in AoC's coffin.

Originally posted by maveric007

I think a large amount of the AoC haters going over to war will be shocked by the bugs and issues with the game. This should bring their full hate attention onto war which should be pretty entertaining. Other then that no release of any major mmorpg has been great in the first 6 months. The war release will prove this point once again.

lol you couldn't be farther from the truth if you tried .

the AOC fanboi's wont even be able to come up with troll posts once the OB starts and the NDA is dropped. i hate to break it to you dude , WAR is a good game .

Originally posted by tr289

Originally posted by maveric007

I think a large amount of the AoC haters going over to war will be shocked by the bugs and issues with the game. This should bring their full hate attention onto war which should be pretty entertaining. Other then that no release of any major mmorpg has been great in the first 6 months. The war release will prove this point once again.

 

lol you couldn't be farther from the truth if you tried .

the AOC fanboi's wont even be able to come up with troll posts once the OB starts and the NDA is dropped. i hate to break it to you dude , WAR is a good game .

Isn't this why so many people are pissed off at AOC fanboi's from beta? Telling everyone it's a good game is a bad idea .

Will people run out of quests ? Will people hit end-game real fast ? Is the PVP endgame good enough to warrant leaving your current game for it? Is there something to do at engame if you don't enjoy PVP ?

All of these questions and more should be asked then answered ,before telling anyone it is a good game.

I'm not saying War is good or bad I have no clue I haven't played it . But before I buy it I'm going to be damned sure to know what to expect.

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by tr289

Originally posted by maveric007

I think a large amount of the AoC haters going over to war will be shocked by the bugs and issues with the game. This should bring their full hate attention onto war which should be pretty entertaining. Other then that no release of any major mmorpg has been great in the first 6 months. The war release will prove this point once again.

 

lol you couldn't be farther from the truth if you tried .

the AOC fanboi's wont even be able to come up with troll posts once the OB starts and the NDA is dropped. i hate to break it to you dude , WAR is a good game .

Isn't this why so many people are pissed off at AOC fanboi's from beta? Telling everyone it's a good game is a bad idea .  actually it was the Fanboi's not in beta claiming AOC was good . the beta testers never even got to test end game content ... mostly because there is / was none.

Will people run out of quests ?  nope

Will people hit end-game real fast ? uh huh , but that's what Mythic want's and the game is designed for .

Is the PVP endgame good enough to warrant leaving your current game for it? i would say it is but this is just my opinion . what i find fun others may not .

Is there something to do at engame if you don't enjoy PVP ? yes sir .

All of these questions and more should be asked then answered ,before telling anyone it is a good game.  I'm not saying War is good or bad I have no clue I haven't played it . But before I buy it I'm going to be damned sure to know what to expect.

well i answered your questions as best i could with out breaking NDA . im not going to try and convince you WAR is good , that's not my job . im just giving an opinion and if you want to believe me fine , if not that's cool to !

I am in the beta so what I'll really be watching for is stability. Can they get the game stable enough with full servers to support 100 on 100 sieges.  A live environment is very different than a beta one and all kinds of extra problems can crop up.

I already know the game has enough content and is fun so I'm not sweating those things.  When the NDA is lifted I'll go into things more but the way they ran beta was the best I've seen in any game I've beta tested.  This is how a company should make a product.

Originally posted by Ender4 

I already know the game has enough content and is fun so I'm not sweating those things.  When the NDA is lifted I'll go into things more but the way they ran beta was the best I've seen in any game I've beta tested.  This is how a company should make a product.

This post has made me very happy. If my opinion is the same when I get to play it, I'll be overjoyed. I can take rough starts, some bugs and so on, but it sounds like Mythic is doing right by the players so far!..?

If it doesn't break any NDA issues, how has the CS and in game GMs been so far?

EDIT: Nevermind, it's always fantastic during beta at least.

Originally posted by Cotillion99

I may or may not have recently gotten into CE beta.  All I can say is, I will be there to sing its praises (and mention its faults) when the NDA lifts.  There will be far more of the former than the latter.

NDA says you are allowed to tell others that you are in the beta.

And got confirmed some hours ago that I will receive a Collector's Edition!

I will tell my view on WAR when the NDA is lifted.

I dont have high expectations, if War doesnt crash every hour it will already have won my money.

Originally posted by Wangerman

I dont have high expectations, if War doesnt crash every hour it will already have won my money.

What if the game is amazing but does crash every hour?  Just curious because I know I like the game but there is no way to know how stable it is once they get 500,000+ players on the network.

Originally posted by Ender4

Originally posted by Wangerman

I dont have high expectations, if War doesnt crash every hour it will already have won my money.

 

What if the game is amazing but does crash every hour?  Just curious because I know I like the game but there is no way to know how stable it is once they get 500,000+ players on the network.

I agree with you, But the fact is AOC is unplayable for me and I  have a good gaming rig. So if War is playable and it doesnt crash all the time like AOC does then its won my monthly subcription.

AoC was amazing in the beginning, but with every patch brought new bugs, crashes until it was completely unplayable.

The key things I'd hope for is:

- The most important thing I hope for in Warhammer is the core to be well build. Since I have not played the beta, I can not know for sure. What I mean by the core, is more or less the game engine. It need to be build in a way that makes Developers able to tweak, patch, and expand the game effectively at a fast pace. The game engine must be less static, and more dynamic. A small example of dynamic in game result, would be that the animations and movements would feel fluid and not hard/sticky. (thats one simple result of a more dynamic game engine)

- Having an emotionally charged Atmosphere that pleases players.

- Mythic being honest and working with players to make the game good. They need to have a good way to filter spam/crap, from people who try from bottom of their heart extent and knows how to help improve the game. Yes, please let us wise men with tons of MMO experience be heard for once!

- The game being stable and have the content it says it will have. Being honest will always keep your company respected by player base. Be honest when you say something. If your looking for a way to make up a story, then learn to shut your mouth.

- Make teaming/grouping easy and flexible, so that you can get groups going in less than a minute. I see so many games fail at this point. Make it easy, make it intuitive, so that people will use the system!

All these points will ensure that the game will offer a genuine long-term "home" for MMO players. The game will grow, if the core is done right.

Originally posted by S1GNAL

The key things I'd hope for is:

- The most important thing I hope for in Warhammer is the core to be well build. Since I have not played the beta, I can not know for sure. What I mean by the core, is more or less the game engine. It need to be build in a way that makes Developers able to tweak, patch, and expand the game effectively at a fast pace. The game engine must be less static, and more dynamic. A small example of dynamic in game result, would be that the animations and movements would feel fluid and not hard/sticky. (thats one simple result of a more dynamic game engine)

- Having an emotionally charged Atmosphere that pleases players.

- Mythic being honest and working with players to make the game good. They need to have a good way to filter spam/crap, from people who try from bottom of their heart extent and knows how to help improve the game. Yes, please let us wise men with tons of MMO experience be heard for once!

- The game being stable and have the content it says it will have. Being honest will always keep your company respected by player base. Be honest when you say something. If your looking for a way to make up a story, then learn to shut your mouth.

- Make teaming/grouping easy and flexible, so that you can get groups going in less than a minute. I see so many games fail at this point. Make it easy, make it intuitive, so that people will use the system!

All these points will ensure that the game will offer a genuine long-term "home" for MMO players. The game will grow, if the core is done right.

i just wanna make a quick comment...wait till you see the grouping/lfg system....best one i have ever seen to date. :)

WAR seems like a horrid game. I wont even be trying it. Too bad AOC sucked hardcore, now I think I will wait for mortal online or maybe darkfall. Aion seems okay.