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  Paragus1

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8/12/08 7:56:25 AM#1

Looks like Erling Ellingson has decided to face the music on the official forums after his interview with MMORPG.com's Jon Wood.

Old Today, 09:18 AM   Report Post   LordOrion is offline   #25
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My friends, please feel free to voice your specific concerns about the interview and I will try to comment on them to the best of my ability. Neither I or Funcom have any reason or desire to mislead anyone, and I would be happy to comment on anything you guys and girls find misleading. But keep it civil, please.

 

http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=155049

If you still have forum access, you can watch as players try to hold him accountable for downplaying missing features in the interview.  One of the most amazing quotes in this thread comes when Erling says...

 

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"The PvP fugitive system was not meant for launch. That's what I was referring to. As for big features cut for launch, the only big thing is the drunken brawling. Yeah, it's a central feature I admit that, and we hope to bring it in sometime in the future when we can put focus away from more important issues. All other big features -- such as city building, sieging and mounted combat -- are all in there. Of course we know they can be improved and that's what we're doing right now."

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All I can say is wow....

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  arctarus

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8/12/08 8:01:08 AM#2

"The PvP fugitive system was not meant for launch. That's what I was referring to. As for big features cut for launch, the only big thing is the drunken brawling. Yeah, it's a central feature I admit that, and we hope to bring it in sometime in the future when we can put focus away from more important issues. All other big features -- such as city building, sieging and mounted combat -- are all in there. Of course we know they can be improved and that's what we're doing right now."

 

Nonsense.....

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  Distopia

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If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone.

8/12/08 8:05:26 AM#3

Everything's going according to plan, They're now attempting to reach out , When players don't buy it , They'll be dismissed as the vocal minority and blamed for the state the game is heading in.Watch and see!

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  Bazanko

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8/12/08 8:07:42 AM#4

Well famine has locked it!!!

looks like it got to warm in there for them, never know they might slip up and say the truth.

so famine you still use these boards or you say you do, why lock it? Eu forums they tend to just edit out off topic coments and keep it open.

  Rebn77

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Blech!

8/12/08 8:11:15 AM#5

Yup, Famine locked it.

That goes a long way towards showing us that she lacks even the smallest bit of common sense. She might as well spit in our faces.

I can't wait to see the boards explode.

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8/12/08 8:27:20 AM#6
Unread Today, 01:13 PM   Report Post   Famine is online now   #78
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Some good responses here but it seems the topic is being derailed off subject, please remember to review over the social guidelines when posting on the forums.
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Again wow.  I am surprised to see that they locked a thread where one of the Funcom employees was trying to address player concerns.   Is the left hand not talking to the right hand, or did Erling tell Glen to lock that thread because it was getting too hot in there for him? 

The questions asked by the players here are ones that deserved to be answered.  People payed money for this product and found that features on the box were not in the game inside the box.  When an employee gives an interview claiming only thing missing was Drunken Brawling when the box claims direct X 10, and was advertised with a full pvp system.  Not everyone who buys a game follows it on forums.  How was the customer to know Direct X 10 wasn't in the box by walking into the store and reading it?

Very disappointing again to see the mods shut down a thread like this.   This shows that they are not confident enough in their product to face the paying customers and answer to them.

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  arctarus

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8/12/08 8:28:52 AM#7

Love this post by RoninTheWicked, so true...

 

LordOrion,

Here is what you and others in the industry miss:

You aren't competing with WoW in 2004. You're competing against WoW in 2008 (and forward). Many new MMO players don't care that AoC may have launched with more content than WoW did at launch - they only know WoW as it is now - not what it was (or rather, wasn't). You aren't competing with WoW polish circa '04, you're competing against WoW circa '08.

If you build a game for 2008, you have to compete with games as they stand in 2008. Not as they stood in 2004.

What happened then does not matter; it's only what happens now and moving forward. However, if you don't learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it in the future.
 

Alot of fanbois use the stupid excuse that WoW have problem and is lacking this and that when launch... sign....... wake up pls......

 

 

 

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  Dreamstrider

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8/12/08 8:35:55 AM#8

Are these the US officiall forums? I wonder if the norwegian mother company even knows about this, because I have never seen something like this on european forums. It's quite shocking actually.
Mind you im not saying it dosn't happen, just that I havn't seen it. You guys have a right to be quite appaled.

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8/12/08 8:42:13 AM#9

http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=155281

 

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I think thats alot of what got that thread closed. Instead of people talking to him people were talking at him. You should always try to engage people with your posts to bring them in. Never drive them out by being accusatory or rude. This goes for every thread on here and not just the threads with Devs in them.

 

Unread Today, 01:41 PM   Report Post   Rinlahn is online now   #11
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If we got more Q and A then once every few months then maybe you wouldn't have so many angry people. Also closing what little info we had didn't help the anger.


But I know...

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Im actually asking now If we can open another thread as long as everyone keeps it civil since it was requested. Bear with me.

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  Distopia

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If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone.

8/12/08 8:43:09 AM#10
Originally posted by arctarus

Love this post by RoninTheWicked, so true...

 

LordOrion,

Here is what you and others in the industry miss:

You aren't competing with WoW in 2004. You're competing against WoW in 2008 (and forward). Many new MMO players don't care that AoC may have launched with more content than WoW did at launch - they only know WoW as it is now - not what it was (or rather, wasn't). You aren't competing with WoW polish circa '04, you're competing against WoW circa '08.

If you build a game for 2008, you have to compete with games as they stand in 2008. Not as they stood in 2004.

What happened then does not matter; it's only what happens now and moving forward. However, if you don't learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it in the future.
 

Alot of fanbois use the stupid excuse that WoW have problem and is lacking this and that when launch... sign....... wake up pls......

 

 

 

He's got a good point but I don't fully agree with it . Yes it's irrelevant whether WOW had bugs at launch , however it's unfair to compare the state of a game with 4 years of added content and polish to a recently released game.

A better comparison to make would be the quality of patches both games have received since their launch . Which company has the more stable releases and which company truly uses feedback and quality assurance to please their fans.

Saying their game should be as good as wow in 08 is just as irrelevant as saying wow had bugs at launch , Given 4 years of live development it very well may be , We'll know in about 4 years.

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  Paragus1

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8/12/08 8:45:03 AM#11

LOL! More threads being locked for asking why the other thread was locked.

http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=155274

 

Old Today, 01:22 PM   Report Post   Airiak is online now   #1
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Default Famine and LordOrion ...

Wow,
Just ... Wow.

We finally have a thread with some communication, and instead of editing out the off topic posts, you lock it.

This is why we, your customer base, have a serious problem with you.

So, go unlock it.

http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=155049
 
 
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  Distopia

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If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone.

8/12/08 8:49:06 AM#12
Originally posted by Paragus1

LOL! More threads being locked for asking why the other thread was locked.

http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=155274

 

Old Today, 01:22 PM   Report Post   Airiak is online now   #1
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Playing WAR beta :)
Default Famine and LordOrion ...

Wow,
Just ... Wow.

We finally have a thread with some communication, and instead of editing out the off topic posts, you lock it.

This is why we, your customer base, have a serious problem with you.

So, go unlock it.

http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=155049
 
 
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  Ghost12

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8/12/08 8:50:30 AM#13

Wow....this is amazing. I havent seen anything like this in a long time. Pretty much a small playerbase revolt on the forums. In another thread referenced to the Ellingston interview: 

 


Default Famine and LordOrion ...

Wow,
Just ... Wow.

We finally have a thread with some communication, and instead of editing out the off topic posts, you lock it.

This is why we, your customer base, have a serious problem with you.

So, go unlock it.

http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=155049
 
 
 
And the threads locked by Hackthorr. HAHA! What a JOKE!
 
Edit: Oh sorry, Malickiebloo got to it first, lol.

 

  Erling2x

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8/12/08 8:52:57 AM#14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbjNBUwgbC0

Come on guys, give me one more chance?  Sigh

  arctarus

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8/12/08 8:52:58 AM#15
Originally posted by Malickiebloo
Originally posted by arctarus

Love this post by RoninTheWicked, so true...

 

LordOrion,

Here is what you and others in the industry miss:

You aren't competing with WoW in 2004. You're competing against WoW in 2008 (and forward). Many new MMO players don't care that AoC may have launched with more content than WoW did at launch - they only know WoW as it is now - not what it was (or rather, wasn't). You aren't competing with WoW polish circa '04, you're competing against WoW circa '08.

If you build a game for 2008, you have to compete with games as they stand in 2008. Not as they stood in 2004.

What happened then does not matter; it's only what happens now and moving forward. However, if you don't learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it in the future.
 

Alot of fanbois use the stupid excuse that WoW have problem and is lacking this and that when launch... sign....... wake up pls......

 

 

 

He's got a good point but I don't fully agree with it . Yes it's irrelevant whether WOW had bugs at launch , however it's unfair to compare the state of a game with 4 years of added content and polish to a recently released game.

A better comparison to make would be the quality of patches both games have received since their launch . Which company has the more stable releases and which company truly uses feedback and quality assurance to please their fans.

Saying their game should be as good as wow in 08 is just as irrelevant as saying wow had bugs at launch , Given 4 years of live development it very well may be , We'll know in about 4 years.

 

From what i understand, though im not there at launch, though WoW have bugs and some unstable issue, mostly its in regards to over populations, but they have more content than AoC have now.

And If  LOTR, and most probably War (maybe even DF? dont kill me pls.... ) can have such a smooth launch, than truly MMO now adays i think shouldnt be so buggy like AoC as if you are still playing beta. Its really 2008 now, not 4 or 5 years ago, which technology have really been improve leaps and bounds....

Personally i think if a DEV keep using other games fault to compare and to so call justified their own problems, than they have fail very hard....

 

PS: Do i need to say im not a WoW fanbois??? (another sad state of foums...)

 

 

 

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8/12/08 8:59:27 AM#16
Originally posted by arctarus
Originally posted by Malickiebloo
Originally posted by arctarus

Love this post by RoninTheWicked, so true...

 

LordOrion,

Here is what you and others in the industry miss:

You aren't competing with WoW in 2004. You're competing against WoW in 2008 (and forward). Many new MMO players don't care that AoC may have launched with more content than WoW did at launch - they only know WoW as it is now - not what it was (or rather, wasn't). You aren't competing with WoW polish circa '04, you're competing against WoW circa '08.

If you build a game for 2008, you have to compete with games as they stand in 2008. Not as they stood in 2004.

What happened then does not matter; it's only what happens now and moving forward. However, if you don't learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it in the future.
 

Alot of fanbois use the stupid excuse that WoW have problem and is lacking this and that when launch... sign....... wake up pls......

 

 

 

He's got a good point but I don't fully agree with it . Yes it's irrelevant whether WOW had bugs at launch , however it's unfair to compare the state of a game with 4 years of added content and polish to a recently released game.

A better comparison to make would be the quality of patches both games have received since their launch . Which company has the more stable releases and which company truly uses feedback and quality assurance to please their fans.

Saying their game should be as good as wow in 08 is just as irrelevant as saying wow had bugs at launch , Given 4 years of live development it very well may be , We'll know in about 4 years.

 

From what i understand, though im not there at launch, though WoW have bugs and some unstable issue, mostly its in regards to over populations, but they have more content than AoC have now.

And If  LOTR, and most probably War (maybe even DF? dont kill me pls.... ) can have such a smooth launch, than truly MMO now adays i think shouldnt be so buggy like AoC as if you are still playing beta. Its really 2008 now, not 4 or 5 years ago, which technology have really been improve leaps and bounds....

Personally i think if a DEV keep using other games fault to compare and to so call justified their own problems, than they have fail very hard....

 

PS: Do i need to say im not a WoW fanbois??? (another sad state of foums...)

 

 

 

 

Na I got no hint of you being any type of fanboi , I think you may have misunderstood me though. I was basically saying both arguments are pretty much invalid .

I'd compare their patches individualy to better gauge the quality and skill of the developers work.Which of course so far Blizzard wins hands down.

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8/12/08 9:00:19 AM#17

Just like to point out one thing about the previous post:
No matter how much the technology improves, there will always be bugs at launch. A game consists of thousands and thousands of lines of code, and that hasn't changed since the beginning of the internet age. I agree with everyone here that (atleast the US) funcom moderators are completely off the wall in their treatment of their public forums, however I think it is very strange of you to expect a bugfree product. You will never find that in any of the products you buy now, or in the future. This does not mean that Funcom has done right in what they have done, but I think the hysteria on these forums are quite imense.

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8/12/08 9:02:41 AM#18

It's very interesting how it happened:

a) Erling posts as "LordOrion" in a post calling out some of the key missing features of the game

b) he replies to some posts with the usual "we told the truth, things like PVP system weren't meant to be in at launch" (while avoiding key issues like performance issues, gems, PVP system, bad patching, broken sieges, etc etc)

c) people point out (as they did on this post) that those things HAD been promised at launch with links to the lies and PR spin pre- and during launch

d) damage can't be repaired, the thread successfully points to the fact that Erling lied during the interviews and is actually lying on the forum at that very moment, with dozens of posters calling Erling out by mentioning specific areas where he lied and is lying

e) the thread with Erling's posts is locked and threads referring to it are closed in order to bury that dismal failure of a PR stunt

Conclusion:

At least on the US forum, players are in open revolt against the lies and spin told by Funcom about AOC

For the first time, it really seems like moderators have lost control as they have to lock and delete more threads than they can leave open, the complaints are a flood that Erling Ellingson just can't spin his way out of

Solution for Funcom now:

a) Blame the playerbase for the failure of AOC

b) Spin it so Erling tried to reach out and was rebutted by a "vocal minority" of "trolls and haters"

c) Continue trying to lure more people to buy the game with vague promises and outright lies

  arctarus

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8/12/08 9:03:06 AM#19
Originally posted by Malickiebloo
   
 
 
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Na I got no hint of you being any type of fanboi , I think you may have misunderstood me though. I was basically saying both arguments are pretty much invalid .

I'd compare their patches individualy to better gauge the quality and skill of the developers work.Which of course so far Blizzard wins hands down.

 

Sorry, getting too uptight now adays when posting in forums...

RIP Orc Choppa

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8/12/08 9:05:55 AM#20
Originally posted by Dreamstrider

Just like to point out one thing about the previous post:
No matter how much the technology improves, there will always be bugs at launch. A game consists of thousands and thousands of lines of code, and that hasn't changed since the beginning of the internet age. I agree with everyone here that (atleast the US) funcom moderators are completely off the wall in their treatment of their public forums, however I think it is very strange of you to expect a bugfree product. You will never find that in any of the products you buy now, or in the future. This does not mean that Funcom has done right in what they have done, but I think the hysteria on these forums are quite imense.

 

Agree, every game that release will more or less have bugs on their own. I never said that i expect a perfect launch, but just a smooth one... Hope this helps...

RIP Orc Choppa

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