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8/12/08 7:37:33 AM#21
Originally posted by synn
did you make a new account just to troll? here's a few things that matter when it comes to pvp(in no particular order): -player skill -tactics -morale -renown achievements -gear -group -communication
I see no difference then with Wow: - player skill - talent settings (71 options per class) - potions & elexirs - profession buffs (new in WotLK) - general buffs (coming from goup members like seals) - gained territory buffs or morale (just like in Terrokar and Hellfire and extended in WotLK open world PvP zone) - communication - group (healers wanted :) ))) - gear The only difference I see is that Wow's avatars have a constant mico analysis through Arena play. I believe WAR doesn't have this control function as Arena will be no option. |
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Azrile
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8/12/08 7:40:37 AM#22
Originally posted by ParkCarsHere
It will end up being exactly the same as wow. If you win, then obviously it is all about skill The people here saying WOW is all about gear have no clue. Everyone can get S2 gear.. the best gear in the game is S4 gear. The difference in dps and hps between the two is like 3%. I good player in S2 will beat an average player in S4 constantly. The reason people cry about 'gear' is because well.. the average player is in S2 and the good players is in S4, so the losers can blame it on gear. If you are an ex-wow player and want to come back. Scroll of Rez gives 7 free days, boost a character to 80 a realm and faction change. Send me PM for an invite. Only 1 per day available |
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8/12/08 7:48:10 AM#23
Originally posted by Azrile
It will end up being exactly the same as wow. If you win, then obviously it is all about skill The people here saying WOW is all about gear have no clue. Everyone can get S2 gear.. the best gear in the game is S4 gear. The difference in dps and hps between the two is like 3%. I good player in S2 will beat an average player in S4 constantly. The reason people cry about 'gear' is because well.. the average player is in S2 and the good players is in S4, so the losers can blame it on gear. No. People cry because of Arena. In Arena their score is shown all over the web and in their stats. That's why people cry over Arena and Wow PvP is hated by some. It's too harsh. The fact that every class can have a 2200 score in Arena shows that PvP is of course balanced in a group mode. It all depends of the player and the group settings. Not everyone is Carl Lewis, but they all think they are Carl Lewis, hence the succes of anonymous world PvP groupings. Blizzard made a big mistake with the arena ratings. Pity. But perhaps they can rectify it with the nameless open world PvP - NON instanced btw. Warhammer will be very interesting. I am very curious how they solved the balances of classes and moaning of PvP youngsters.
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8/12/08 7:54:18 AM#24
Originally posted by synn
It's not surprising to see many people stamping me over with their "you're troll, leave" comments, because obviously they are so desperade to play a decent MMORPG after so many recent failures. WAR won't change the trend. It will be just another game with milions of copies sold, because of the hype and then drops to 100k subs. All these RVR, SKILL, COMMUNITY... blah are just words used for a precisely accurate marketing strategy to lure the people like you that believe all the shit they read. |
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Azrile
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8/12/08 7:57:56 AM#25
Originally posted by hebeventijd No. People cry because of Arena. In Arena their score is shown all over the web and in their stats. That's why people cry over Arena and Wow PvP is hated by some. It's too harsh. The fact that every class can have a 2200 score in Arena shows that PvP is of course balanced in a group mode. It all depends of the player and the group settings. Not everyone is Carl Lewis, but they all think they are Carl Lewis, hence the succes of anonymous world PvP groupings. Blizzard made a big mistake with the arena ratings. Pity. But perhaps they can rectify it with the nameless open world PvP - NON instanced btw. Warhammer will be very interesting. I am very curious how they solved the balances of classes and moaning of PvP youngsters.
You hit on another point regarding pvp. If you fight an equally geared and equally skilled player, you are going to lose 50% of the time. That is just a hard fact. Most players will cry about something being imbalanced if they lose 50% of the time. It's eaither going to be class balance, or gear balance. As far as WOW's open world pvp zone. It is called Lake Wintergrasp and it's currently being tested. It looks pretty cool with ridable seige weapons, anti-personal vehicles, catapults and all types of neat seige weaponry. If you are an ex-wow player and want to come back. Scroll of Rez gives 7 free days, boost a character to 80 a realm and faction change. Send me PM for an invite. Only 1 per day available |
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8/12/08 8:10:26 AM#26
Originally posted by Kollaps
It's not surprising to see many people stamping me over with their "you're troll, leave" comments, because obviously they are so desperade to play a decent MMORPG after so many recent failures. WAR won't change the trend. It will be just another game with milions of copies sold, because of the hype and then drops to 100k subs. All these RVR, SKILL, COMMUNITY... blah are just words used for a precisely accurate marketing strategy to lure the people like you that believe all the shit they read.
given what you've written in my post I can guarantee you're not playing CB cause if you were then you'd know everything i wrote to be the truth. |
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8/12/08 8:28:06 AM#27
Originally posted by synn
given what you've written in my post I can guarantee you're not playing CB cause if you were then you'd know everything i wrote to be the truth.
What !? Who are you to guarantee things? Seriously, why should you guarantee when noone knows you really and you've got nothing to lose. Can you please tell me how do you guarantee it? Are you gonna send me some money if you're not right? Because that's what mostly guarantee is about.
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8/12/08 8:42:32 AM#28
Originally posted by Kollaps
What !? Who are you to guarantee things? Seriously, why should you guarantee when noone knows you really and you've got nothing to lose. Can you please tell me how do you guarantee it? Are you gonna send me some money if you're not right? Because that's what mostly guarantee is about.
well why not c&p this post in the proper CB forums under the same title and prove me wrong.
edit: i'll swing by the forums and apologize on your thread, but like i said...if you were in beta you would know the importance of things like tactics and morale instead of saying it was hype or myth or whatever itis that you said. |
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8/12/08 8:42:37 AM#29
Having played the game in all versions including the current. Gear dosent matter, hell level hardly matters sometimes.
and kids, eventually there will be a stat cap at the endgame.... its MYTHIC they balance EVERYTHING |
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8/12/08 8:44:05 AM#30
Originally posted by hebeventijd Knowing your strenghts, and building upon them. Letting your enemy not take advantage of your weaknesses. Knowing your opponent(pve or pvp) and exploiting their weaknesses. There are the "unskilled", the "skilled", and then you have the "OMFG he rules". Of course, people are stuck in between those stages also. A lot of it has to do with experience or lack thereof. To get the be a master I'd imagine you have to be pretty darn smart, too. Just look at Ortofon's videos from DAoC. This guy was without a doubt the most skilled player in DAoC. He made everyone look like a newb. Your question is like asking a boxing what makes him skilled. "You just throw punches, dude! How does that make you any good?" He's trained to box, he's knows how to exploit people's weaknesses, he knows his weaknesses, and keeps his opponent from them. If he doesn't he loses. |
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8/12/08 8:45:04 AM#31
The problem with gear is not whether it adds a lot to your character's power in pvp, but how easily acessible that gear is, and how much differfence there is between easily attainable, and rare gear. In DAOC you could get cheap player made gear that was very close to the effectiveness of the best gear. If WAR does the same thing, ie, gear you can get through public quests, is near as good the best gear in the game, then gear will not be a huge factor in pvp.
I predict the thing that will make people overpowered in pvp, more than gear, is skill unlocks, like extra moral abilites and stuff from teh TOK, and skills gained from renown ranks. |
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8/12/08 8:47:21 AM#32
Originally posted by kraiden Calm down Kraiden, I remember being your guild leader in WoW for a while a couple of years ago. Bill & Ape & Kraiden. I guess you didnt change much if you still hang around games like WoW/WAR. |
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8/12/08 8:48:05 AM#33
Originally posted by Kollaps
It's not surprising to see many people stamping me over with their "you're troll, leave" comments, because obviously they are so desperade to play a decent MMORPG after so many recent failures. WAR won't change the trend. It will be just another game with milions of copies sold, because of the hype and then drops to 100k subs. All these RVR, SKILL, COMMUNITY... blah are just words used for a precisely accurate marketing strategy to lure the people like you that believe all the shit they read. The reason some people may refer to you as a Troll is not because you are speaking some kind of truth and giving a valid observation of the mechanics and dynamics of the game. It is because you are comming to this board and naysaying and denigrating any aspect of the game that someone else may view as positive. If you are pre-disposed to dislike a particular kind of game or product, then it is not the product for you to enjoy. Letting everyone know your are in disagreement with the majority of posters here about what you like in a game does not prove the game is bad, it only proves you are not the intended audience for the product. That being the case, please feel free to wisely spend your money on products you do enjoy, and leave those people who plan to enjoy playing WAR to our discussion of the relative merits of the product we do plan to buy and play. |
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8/12/08 8:54:18 AM#34
Originally posted by synn
What !? Who are you to guarantee things? Seriously, why should you guarantee when noone knows you really and you've got nothing to lose. Can you please tell me how do you guarantee it? Are you gonna send me some money if you're not right? Because that's what mostly guarantee is about.
well why not c&p this post in the proper CB forums under the same title and prove me wrong.
edit: i'll swing by the forums and apologize on your thread, but like i said...if you were in beta you would know the importance of things like tactics and morale instead of saying it was hype or myth or whatever itis that you said.
Indeed it does, but that's part of the gear thing right? We're comparing an actual player skill (ability combinations + reactions) with the game mechanics. Using a word guarantee almost always makes people look like a fool especially on forums. Guarantee is a wrong verbal use. Guaranty is an agreement by which one person undertakes to secure another in the possession or an official assurance for the fullfilment of a condition. So Im asking again if you were serious. How much are you gonna pay me if I prove you wrong. |
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8/12/08 8:55:36 AM#35
After the AOC debacle that had people in CB telling us the truths about it s state, i m going to go with what people in CB for WAR are saying. So it sounds like it s not entirely gear based which is good. I have tried the game out and i m under no NDA and from what i tried it didn t seem to matter much on gear, it really seemed who knew their class more mattered. |
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8/12/08 8:56:51 AM#36
nah, i called him a troll cause of 2 things 1) brand new account 2) all posts have nothing constructive to say
this leads me to believe he made the account to troll and get attention. |
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8/12/08 9:03:29 AM#37
Originally posted by Kollaps
well why not c&p this post in the proper CB forums under the same title and prove me wrong.
edit: i'll swing by the forums and apologize on your thread, but like i said...if you were in beta you would know the importance of things like tactics and morale instead of saying it was hype or myth or whatever itis that you said.
Indeed it does, but that's part of the gear thing right? We're comparing an actual player skill (ability combinations + reactions) with the game mechanics. Using a word guarantee almost always makes people look like a fool especially on forums. Guarantee is a wrong verbal use. Guaranty is an agreement by which one person undertakes to secure another in the possession or an official assurance for the fullfilment of a condition. So Im asking again if you were serious. How much are you gonna pay me if I prove you wrong. you're still trying to make me think you might actually be in beta after you refer tactics and morale to being "part of the gear thing?" I ain't giving money but i will apologize for sticking my foot in my mouth. so the question is are you in CB and basing your opinions on actual in-game experience edit: well its been about 30-45 minutes since i called you out and wanted you to post on CB forums. this leads me to believe you don't have access to the forums or looking for someone that does and can help you out by C&P the post. |
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8/12/08 9:16:07 AM#38
Originally posted by synn
No, the question is, why do you guarantee things when you're not gonna pay if you're proved wrong. .. Or did you just guarantee to say sorry if you're wrong? That's a bit radicilous. |
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8/12/08 9:19:21 AM#39
Originally posted by Kollaps
No, the question is, why are you guarantee things when you're not gonna pay if you're proved wrong. .. Or did you just guarantee to say sorry if you're wrong? That's a bit radicilous. Good god, mellow out. If you re in CB say if you re not say. It s an easy question. As far as guaranteeing goes sure maybe not a good idea, but i ll take his word for it over yours, who s agenda seems to be bash whatever he can, whenever he can. |
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8/12/08 9:30:04 AM#40
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