Note to mods: I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY CURSE OR TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY BREAK ANY RULE IN ANY WAY, i am purely trying to express my openion (and several thousand's of others)

why this game sucks:

1. its a grindfest, the game is ALL grinding (you have to put in hundreds of hours into the game)

2.no good pvp system with real rewards anymore (removal of wilderness and replaced with crap)

3.Super slow paced (point,click, wait 2 minutes, repeat..)

4. the community is 92% of little kids under 12 who call everyone "noobs" and cuss and  whine and think there 1337

5.game mechanics stink (point, click, move)

6.Jagex dosent care about what you think should be or shouldnt be in the game, all they want is your money

7.99.7% of the "updates" are nerf's

8.The customer support is non-existant

9.People get banned for no reason

10.Graphics utterly suck (even WoW's is better) Being a browser based game is not an excuse, peroid.

11. the other .3% of updates are updates the noobs commanded and makes the game worse

~~~~~(i used to play runescape...when it still was a good game..but now its a horrible game..dont ask)

Thank you

~luckypotato

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 "Adam Tuckwell is the “Safety Minister” and Head of PR at Jagex. He was proud to talk to me about Runescape's effort to make the game a safe environment for under children under the age of 13. Previously, players had to to be 13+ to play the game. Runescape launched the under 13 game in June. This provides a Quick Chat interface, and children under 13 can only see Quick Chat text from other players of the under 13 game.

In the Quarter 2 or 3 of 2009, the Parental Controls dashboard will be launched. This provides parents with the means to set how often and how long their children can play Runescape, set various chat settings and have various controls over their children's Friends List – such as the ability to add friends with or without parental approval."

From the looks of this though it appears they have no intention of improving the game to appeal to mature players, they are in fact doing the exact opposite and gearing it up for the  little kids to play. They have removed the 13+ age limit and their summon, quick chat, item lending features,  and the new parent controls are all in their effort to make this a childrens game, thus alienating their mature audiences entirely. Children do not pay for memberships, and make for a poor community.  * puts the nails in the coffin* RIP runescape.-devilliscious

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Nerfs: Ice barrage graphics nerfed so that you only see ice on the very 1st cast [sometimes you dont even get that].

G-maul weakened again ive been told [im a mage/range pure & i dont melee so i cant verify].

If you kill at BH and then leave to bank/restock  b4 picking up the loot, it disappears when u return [this is a new nerf ppl are complaining about in the official RS forums. That was the 'secret' to being able to loot ur kills & live b4].

Wilderness map reduced to only 40% of its original size.

Old school PKing deleted rather than being 'fixed'.

Free trade removed from game.

That solo spot for rangers at GWD OP mentioned.

Some chinning spot where ppl trained range on skeletons had its re-spawn rate lowered.

Virtually all magic robe tops have a tire-tread texture now instead of the cloth texture of the other robe parts.

Many range / melee / magic weapons have had their stances changed to this awkward 'heels together military-looking thing'

Obby maul now looks like iron & is held in an awkward manner.

The character model in low detail mode looks horrible compared to the old version

Well, im not gonna detail all the item graphics that have been changed for the worse since HD's release. Just look at them.

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I have also been noticing that the average # of players online during peak hours has dropped. Used to have upwards of 200k during weekends. Most i saw today was like 154k i think.

That may be due to the removal of the tutorial island [now u have to do a series of 'go fetch' quests for an npc], the BH change i mentioned, the increased lag, the graphic nerf of players avatars/items in low detail mode, the cpu problems many experience while using the HD mode, item lending killing the 'prestige' of ownership, and the subscription price increase [was 5$/mo usa, now 5.90$/mo usa].

Its anyones guess.

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I do like the new graphics, but then again, i liked the old fun & fair runescape alot better than this new version.

I have gone from almost daily RS addict [3 years] to an hour a week lately.

In a way, im grateful that they ruined it. I used to spend way too much time playing/ranting

Oh, and i agree that its a major grindfest. I cant imagine a bigger grind than runescape

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(those are not even 1/4 of all the nerfs in the past years)

eh..its a browser game what did you expect.

im not a fan of the game but its good for what it is.

Why would anyone NOT think it sucked? Why would anyone even waste thier time confirming that? Why does it even exist? .......Good lord.*grumble grumble***Sheesh......morons.....................%$#!!

Originally posted by luckypotato

Note to mods: I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY CURSE OR TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY BREAK ANY RULE IN ANY WAY, i am purely trying to express my openion (and several thousand's of others)

why this game sucks:

1. its a grindfest, the game is ALL grinding (you have to put in hundreds of hours into the game)

2.no good pvp system with real rewards anymore (removal of wilderness and replaced with crap)

3.Super slow paced

4. the community is 92% of little kids under 12 who call everyone "noobs" and cuss and  whine and think there 1337

5.game mechanics stink (point, click, move)

6.Jagex dosent care about what you think should be or shouldnt be in the game, all they want is your money

7.99.7% of the "updates" are nerf's

8.The customer support is non-existant

9.People get banned for no reason

10.Graphics utterly suck (even WoW's is better)

 

~~~~~(i used to play runescape...when it still was a good game..but now its a horrible game..dont ask)

 

Thank you

~luckypotato

 

i entirely agree with you!

but where did you get those figures from? did you make them up?

yeah i made them up, but 10$ im close

dude your so right

I agree with the OP.  ( you basically summed up most of my last  999 posts) haha.

Originally posted by Raizeen

its nothing more then a web java game what did you except it to be when you played it? a multi billion game like wow or whatever? lol noobs these days

It being in java has nothing to do with the primary problems with this game. People do not play this game for it's graphics. 

It is the actual mechanics of the skills and the actual gamespeed, which could be fixed and implemented properly in Java, but they refuse not because we ask for the impossible, but because they could care less what the majority of the gaming population thinks. There could be a few changes to these things to make the skills fun, and to make them less time consuming, but Jagex is not in the biz for fun.
 

The pvp in this game could have been exapnded , but instead it was nerfed and controlled. It is Jagex who has their priorities mixed up here not the fact that it is java based.  There were many more options available to curb RMT in this game but they chose  not to use those options instead.

Jagex refusing to enforce age policies and focusing the game for children under the age of 13 now, is the reason for the poor community. If jagex wanted to improve their community they very well could, but that is just it they choose not to. None of this has to do with being java based.

Jagex's customer service being deplorable also has nothing to do with it being java based. If they actually treated their custmoers like they  are important to making their game a success this could easily be changed. Instead they take away all of the most popular content in this game and give back very little. They have always been known for taking alot and giving very little back.

Yes their graphics are poor, even in their new high detail, but people do not play this game for it's graphics, and now that they have nerfed what good content this game had there really is no reason to play this.  If someone took the good from this game and made a better one that was designed for fun not suffering  they would be a genious.

Originally posted by luckypotato

Note to mods: I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY CURSE OR TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY BREAK ANY RULE IN ANY WAY, i am purely trying to express my openion (and several thousand's of others)

why this game sucks:

1. its a grindfest, the game is ALL grinding (you have to put in hundreds of hours into the game)

2.no good pvp system with real rewards anymore (removal of wilderness and replaced with crap)

3.Super slow paced

4. the community is 92% of little kids under 12 who call everyone "noobs" and cuss and  whine and think there 1337

5.game mechanics stink (point, click, move)

6.Jagex dosent care about what you think should be or shouldnt be in the game, all they want is your money

7.99.7% of the "updates" are nerf's

8.The customer support is non-existant

9.People get banned for no reason

10.Graphics utterly suck (even WoW's is better)

 

~~~~~(i used to play runescape...when it still was a good game..but now its a horrible game..dont ask)

 

Thank you

~luckypotato

 

1 - Runescape has a large variety. Yes, to train each individual skill is a grind... If training one skill and one skill only for a long period of time is what you want to do. However, if you don't want to grind you don't have to - you can still experience the vast majority of the game without it.

2 - It is a matter of opinion what makes a good pvp system. But the rewards are exactly the same as they always have been - and a good deal better than most other mmorpgs.

3 - what do you mean by this? that levels go slowly? If so, I challenge you to find me a decent mmo where the levels don't go slowly by the end. Oh wait, there aren't any... If you are talking about lag - try using a better world for you.

4 - Replace 92% with 2% and you would be about right. However this is indeed a problem (although one which seems to have reduced substantially over the last few months), and one of the downsides of Runescape. Why is this the case? Because the game is so accessible. You don't have to spend hours downloading it, and you can play for free. Of course you will get idiots playing. It is a shame, but it is a price that, in my opinion, is worth paying.

5 - There are a lot of mmos that use clicking to move. To be honest I don't really care whether a game uses arrow keys or the mouse. What difference does it make?

6 - I am yet to come across another gaming company that cares as much as Jagex does about what people want... Even the updates at the end of last year - complaints about bots were far more common than complaints about the wildy are now... And even if they did only want your money... how would they go about getting it? That's right - by implementing updates that people want.  An example of a far more money-hungry gaming company would be Aeria games - who just create various games and then never update them other than to create new items for the item mall - which have to be bought for real world cash. I am glad to say that selling items in such a way is something that Jagex have chosen not to do - and any firm that just cared about cash wouldn't hesitate to do.

7 - load of nonsense. How many nerfs have there been so far this year? Oh wait... None.

8 - also a load of nonsense. Many jmods are active on the forums, and they are frequently sighted in game. You can (and should) report any rulebreakers you see easily via an anonymous in-game facility. There is a very high number of players per customer support jmod simply because of the huge number of players.

9 - everyone who claims they were banned for no reason is lying. Everyone. People have been muted for no significant reason before - usually due to a misunderstanding by a player moderator.

10 - have you played runescape since the graphical update? Nope, thought not. While these may not be the best in the business, can you blame them given that it is a browser based game. The runescape graphics are way better than ANY other browser based game in existance.

Originally posted by plqx

1 - Runescape has a large variety. Yes, to train each individual skill is a grind... If training one skill and one skill only for a long period of time is what you want to do. However, if you don't want to grind you don't have to - you can still experience the vast majority of the game without it.

Everything is a grind. They just disguise the grind with different skillls.  They're so repetitived and uninteresting...and you HAVE to do the skills to make money..if you don't, you'll be way behind in money.

2 - It is a matter of opinion what makes a good pvp system. But the rewards are exactly the same as they always have been - and a good deal better than most other mmorpgs.

Lol, it's not a matter of opinion.  Hardly anyone thinks that bounty hunter was better than the wilderness, just look at all the PKers who quit.  Bounty hunter is a terrible minigame, and the only reason people play it is because it's the only PVP with full loot.  No one would rather have BH than the wilderness.

3 - what do you mean by this? that levels go slowly? If so, I challenge you to find me a decent mmo where the levels don't go slowly by the end. Oh wait, there aren't any... If you are talking about lag - try using a better world for you.

It's just an overall slowpaced game.  Standing in one spot, doing the same thing over and over.  That isn't fast paced at all, it's just very slow and very boring.

4 - Replace 92% with 2% and you would be about right. However this is indeed a problem (although one which seems to have reduced substantially over the last few months), and one of the downsides of Runescape. Why is this the case? Because the game is so accessible. You don't have to spend hours downloading it, and you can play for free. Of course you will get idiots playing. It is a shame, but it is a price that, in my opinion, is worth paying.

It has NOT gotten better.  While the number may not be 92%, it was WAY too high.  The community is immature, filled with 9-13 yr olds, or people older than that but still act immature.  RS has a horrible community, there is no hiding that.  I would much rather download a game and pay than to have an easily accessible game for free. 

5 - There are a lot of mmos that use clicking to move. To be honest I don't really care whether a game uses arrow keys or the mouse. What difference does it make

 A lot of games have WASD movement two.  More than not (unless they're from Korea, more are point n click from there) actually use WASD movement.  They should at least make it optional.

6 - I am yet to come across another gaming company that cares as much as Jagex does about what people want... Even the updates at the end of last year - complaints about bots were far more common than complaints about the wildy are now... And even if they did only want your money... how would they go about getting it? That's right - by implementing updates that people want.  An example of a far more money-hungry gaming company would be Aeria games - who just create various games and then never update them other than to create new items for the item mall - which have to be bought for real world cash. I am glad to say that selling items in such a way is something that Jagex have chosen not to do - and any firm that just cared about cash wouldn't hesitate to do.

Haha, I love how you try to turn this around and make JaGeX look good.  In case you didn't realize, they couldn't give a crap about what they do and what their community thinks.  They make bad update after bad update, not caring about the thoughts of the players.  They have horrible customer service, and overall they are a bad company.  Jagex just does this because they know no one will leave, and they will stick around even after they destroy the game even more (if that's possible).

7 - load of nonsense. How many nerfs have there been so far this year? Oh wait... None.

I think what he meant to say was that all of the PVP updates were ways of trying to fix the updates that happened last year --- all of which that failed.  Nothing has become even a decent replacement for what they removed.

8 - also a load of nonsense. Many jmods are active on the forums, and they are frequently sighted in game. You can (and should) report any rulebreakers you see easily via an anonymous in-game facility. There is a very high number of players per customer support jmod simply because of the huge number of players.

Jagex has horrible customer service...Wrongly banning some players while letting the bad players on the loose.  Don't try and lie, even most of the players can realize Jagex has poor, poor customer service...

9 - everyone who claims they were banned for no reason is lying. Everyone. People have been muted for no significant reason before - usually due to a misunderstanding by a player moderator.

...yeah, the thousands of people just lied...sure.

10 - have you played runescape since the graphical update? Nope, thought not. While these may not be the best in the business, can you blame them given that it is a browser based game. The runescape graphics are way better than ANY other browser based game in existance.

I have, and the graphics still suck.  It doesn't matter if they are Java, they are still bad graphics.  Wurm Online is another browser based game, and I think that has better graphics than RS.

Saying it's just a browser game doesn't really fix anything, it's not like it's free, or even a one time payment.

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by plqx

1 - Runescape has a large variety. Yes, to train each individual skill is a grind... If training one skill and one skill only for a long period of time is what you want to do. However, if you don't want to grind you don't have to - you can still experience the vast majority of the game without it.

Everything is a grind. They just disguise the grind with different skillls.  They're so repetitived and uninteresting...and you HAVE to do the skills to make money..if you don't, you'll be way behind in money.

2 - It is a matter of opinion what makes a good pvp system. But the rewards are exactly the same as they always have been - and a good deal better than most other mmorpgs.

Lol, it's not a matter of opinion.  Hardly anyone thinks that bounty hunter was better than the wilderness, just look at all the PKers who quit.  Bounty hunter is a terrible minigame, and the only reason people play it is because it's the only PVP with full loot.  No one would rather have BH than the wilderness.

3 - what do you mean by this? that levels go slowly? If so, I challenge you to find me a decent mmo where the levels don't go slowly by the end. Oh wait, there aren't any... If you are talking about lag - try using a better world for you.

It's just an overall slowpaced game.  Standing in one spot, doing the same thing over and over.  That isn't fast paced at all, it's just very slow and very boring.

4 - Replace 92% with 2% and you would be about right. However this is indeed a problem (although one which seems to have reduced substantially over the last few months), and one of the downsides of Runescape. Why is this the case? Because the game is so accessible. You don't have to spend hours downloading it, and you can play for free. Of course you will get idiots playing. It is a shame, but it is a price that, in my opinion, is worth paying.

It has NOT gotten better.  While the number may not be 92%, it was WAY too high.  The community is immature, filled with 9-13 yr olds, or people older than that but still act immature.  RS has a horrible community, there is no hiding that.  I would much rather download a game and pay than to have an easily accessible game for free. 

5 - There are a lot of mmos that use clicking to move. To be honest I don't really care whether a game uses arrow keys or the mouse. What difference does it make

 A lot of games have WASD movement two.  More than not (unless they're from Korea, more are point n click from there) actually use WASD movement.  They should at least make it optional.

6 - I am yet to come across another gaming company that cares as much as Jagex does about what people want... Even the updates at the end of last year - complaints about bots were far more common than complaints about the wildy are now... And even if they did only want your money... how would they go about getting it? That's right - by implementing updates that people want.  An example of a far more money-hungry gaming company would be Aeria games - who just create various games and then never update them other than to create new items for the item mall - which have to be bought for real world cash. I am glad to say that selling items in such a way is something that Jagex have chosen not to do - and any firm that just cared about cash wouldn't hesitate to do.

Haha, I love how you try to turn this around and make JaGeX look good.  In case you didn't realize, they couldn't give a crap about what they do and what their community thinks.  They make bad update after bad update, not caring about the thoughts of the players.  They have horrible customer service, and overall they are a bad company.  Jagex just does this because they know no one will leave, and they will stick around even after they destroy the game even more (if that's possible).

7 - load of nonsense. How many nerfs have there been so far this year? Oh wait... None.

I think what he meant to say was that all of the PVP updates were ways of trying to fix the updates that happened last year --- all of which that failed.  Nothing has become even a decent replacement for what they removed.

8 - also a load of nonsense. Many jmods are active on the forums, and they are frequently sighted in game. You can (and should) report any rulebreakers you see easily via an anonymous in-game facility. There is a very high number of players per customer support jmod simply because of the huge number of players.

Jagex has horrible customer service...Wrongly banning some players while letting the bad players on the loose.  Don't try and lie, even most of the players can realize Jagex has poor, poor customer service...

9 - everyone who claims they were banned for no reason is lying. Everyone. People have been muted for no significant reason before - usually due to a misunderstanding by a player moderator.

...yeah, the thousands of people just lied...sure.

10 - have you played runescape since the graphical update? Nope, thought not. While these may not be the best in the business, can you blame them given that it is a browser based game. The runescape graphics are way better than ANY other browser based game in existance.

I have, and the graphics still suck.  It doesn't matter if they are Java, they are still bad graphics.  Wurm Online is another browser based game, and I think that has better graphics than RS.

 

1 - There are other ways of making money besides skilling. People claim that merchanting has become harder since the updates last year, but actually it has become a lot easier. And you don't have to be rich ... And of course you can vary between the skills... Just training one stat for a month at a time is dull, yes. But what about doing half an hour of this, then an hour of that etc? Or are you only interested in power levelling? In which case you will be grinding wherever you go.

2 - It IS a matter of opinion. It may be (okay... it is) the case that more players liked the old system of pking than the new one, but it is still down to the individual to decide, and still an opinion.

3 - If you don't talk it can get boring yes. And if you only do one skill for ages on end...

4 - I think I've been playing a different game to you. The 2% was substantially higher than my experience. However, those that there are are generally very obnoxious and thus people think there are more of them than there are. Just get in with a good community and you will be fine. However, I will agree that there are way too many people like that. But just stick them on your ignore list. You probably won't meet more than 1 every 3-4 hours on average, especially if you are staying in the same area...

5 - Again, I see no benefit to this over clicking. In fact, it has a downside. For with this implemented, you can no longer automatically type in the chat screen when you type in text - which is a pet hate of mine for just about every MMO other than runescape.

6 - The vast majority of runescape updates were suggested by players.

7 - They are bringing out more though... And no, no single one will replace the wildy. But I believe that the vast majority of it will have been replaced by something when they bring out the changes to clan wars. And replaced acceptably well too.

8 - I stick with what I said in 9 earlier. However, I agree that the customer support deteriorated a lot last year when the sheer number of pker morons who couldn't read spammed up their system, forcing them to replace everything with an autoresponse. They then closed most of it down entirely. Unfortunately they haven't brought it back up yet - something that I am hoping to see in the near future, but am not confident about.

9 - Yes, sure. Most of them are people who got banned for a reason, but didn't really understand what that reason was - usually because they hadn't bothered to read the rules.

10 - I never mentioned Java... I have not tried this wurm online. I will look into it in the near future. Before then I cannot pass a judgment.

 Wurm Online isn't a browser based game. It's made from Java, but you still have to download it.

Originally posted by plqx

Originally posted by luckypotato

Note to mods: I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY CURSE OR TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY BREAK ANY RULE IN ANY WAY, i am purely trying to express my openion (and several thousand's of others)

why this game sucks:

1. its a grindfest, the game is ALL grinding (you have to put in hundreds of hours into the game)

2.no good pvp system with real rewards anymore (removal of wilderness and replaced with crap)

3.Super slow paced

4. the community is 92% of little kids under 12 who call everyone "noobs" and cuss and  whine and think there 1337

5.game mechanics stink (point, click, move)

6.Jagex dosent care about what you think should be or shouldnt be in the game, all they want is your money

7.99.7% of the "updates" are nerf's

8.The customer support is non-existant

9.People get banned for no reason

10.Graphics utterly suck (even WoW's is better)

 

~~~~~(i used to play runescape...when it still was a good game..but now its a horrible game..dont ask)

 

Thank you

~luckypotato

 

1 - Runescape has a large variety. Yes, to train each individual skill is a grind... If training one skill and one skill only for a long period of time is what you want to do. However, if you don't want to grind you don't have to - you can still experience the vast majority of the game without it.

1- Too much grind if you ask me

2 - It is a matter of opinion what makes a good pvp system. But the rewards are exactly the same as they always have been - and a good deal better than most other mmorpgs.

2- You apparently never played the pre-bounty hunter (wild) runescape

3 - what do you mean by this? that levels go slowly? If so, I challenge you to find me a decent mmo where the levels don't go slowly by the end. Oh wait, there aren't any... If you are talking about lag - try using a better world for you.

3-No i mean all you do it click the character and sit and wait, fast paced games are games with skills like GuildWars

4 - Replace 92% with 2% and you would be about right. However this is indeed a problem (although one which seems to have reduced substantially over the last few months), and one of the downsides of Runescape. Why is this the case? Because the game is so accessible. You don't have to spend hours downloading it, and you can play for free. Of course you will get idiots playing. It is a shame, but it is a price that, in my opinion, is worth paying.

4-Eh...atleast 50% of people are under 12, trust me..i played (past tense) Runescape sence 2005

5 - There are a lot of mmos that use clicking to move. To be honest I don't really care whether a game uses arrow keys or the mouse. What difference does it make?

5- I just dont like it, i much rather use wasd movement, its a much better position for my hands

6 - I am yet to come across another gaming company that cares as much as Jagex does about what people want... Even the updates at the end of last year - complaints about bots were far more common than complaints about the wildy are now... And even if they did only want your money... how would they go about getting it? That's right - by implementing updates that people want.  An example of a far more money-hungry gaming company would be Aeria games - who just create various games and then never update them other than to create new items for the item mall - which have to be bought for real world cash. I am glad to say that selling items in such a way is something that Jagex have chosen not to do - and any firm that just cared about cash wouldn't hesitate to do.

6- (then you play crappy mmo's..play Warhammer online, and Darkfall when they come out, or if you want to play a good game right now, play GuildWars..one time pay) Again, Fagex didnt REALLY care about rwt, it was an excuse to make the game apporiate for kids under 13 (jagex is releading a parental control system for runescape in Q2-3 2009

7 - load of nonsense. How many nerfs have there been so far this year? Oh wait... None.

7- I havent played sence 2007 but i do know that Sara (boss) safe spot for rangers got nerf'd

8 - also a load of nonsense. Many jmods are active on the forums, and they are frequently sighted in game. You can (and should) report any rulebreakers you see easily via an anonymous in-game facility. There is a very high number of players per customer support jmod simply because of the huge number of players.

8- Out of 2 years of playing i NEVER saw a jmod in-game, ive only seen pmods

9 - everyone who claims they were banned for no reason is lying. Everyone. People have been muted for no significant reason before - usually due to a misunderstanding by a player moderator.

9- I got banned for RWT for saying "46k" which refers to 46,000 gp (ingame) -.-

10 - have you played runescape since the graphical update? Nope, thought not. While these may not be the best in the business, can you blame them given that it is a browser based game. The runescape graphics are way better than ANY other browser based game in existance.

10- not for long...youll see, and it dosent matter that its a browser based game, a game is a game and the fact is with a simple 1-2 hour download you can get a way better completely free f2p game with way better graphics (such as requiem bloodymare)

 

kthxx

~luckypotato

Nerfs: Ice barrage graphics nerfed so that you only see ice on the very 1st cast [sometimes you dont even get that].

G-maul weakened again ive been told [im a mage/range pure & i dont melee so i cant verify].

If you kill at BH and then leave to bank/restock  b4 picking up the loot, it disappears when u return [this is a new nerf ppl are complaining about in the official RS forums. That was the 'secret' to being able to loot ur kills & live b4].

Wilderness map reduced to only 40% of its original size.

Old school PKing deleted rather than being 'fixed'.

Free trade removed from game.

That solo spot for rangers at GWD OP mentioned.

Some chinning spot where ppl trained range on skeletons had its re-spawn rate lowered.

Virtually all magic robe tops have a tire-tread texture now instead of the cloth texture of the other robe parts.

Many range / melee / magic weapons have had their stances changed to this awkward 'heels together military-looking thing'

Obby maul now looks like iron & is held in an awkward manner.

The character model in low detail mode looks horrible compared to the old version

Well, im not gonna detail all the item graphics that have been changed for the worse since HD's release. Just look at them.

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I have also been noticing that the average # of players online during peak hours has dropped. Used to have upwards of 200k during weekends. Most i saw today was like 154k i think.

That may be due to the removal of the tutorial island [now u have to do a series of 'go fetch' quests for an npc], the BH change i mentioned, the increased lag, the graphic nerf of players avatars/items in low detail mode, the cpu problems many experience while using the HD mode, item lending killing the 'prestige' of ownership, and the subscription price increase [was 5$/mo usa, now 5.90$/mo usa].

Its anyones guess.

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I do like the new graphics, but then again, i liked the old fun & fair runescape alot better than this new version.

I have gone from almost daily RS addict [3 years] to an hour a week lately.

In a way, im grateful that they ruined it. I used to spend way too much time playing/ranting

Oh, and i agree that its a major grindfest. I cant imagine a bigger grind than runescape

EDIT: nvm. u agree that its a grind.

I believe it is the case that you now only see the ice when your target actually gets frozen? And if so, is this really a bad thing?

I had not heard about the G Maul being weakened. If this is the case, then I will concede this.

With regards to the BH thing - a bug fix is a nerf now is it?

Wilderness map reduced? Not this year it hasn't been. And so what? It's not as though any key wildy features were removed by that.

The free trade and old-style pking removal were last year.

The safespot was unintentional... That's probably why they removed it. However a lot of people had been using it and liked it...

The chinning spot thing was a bug that was fixed a week later.

The thread-style look has happened with a lot of items. It is just how they reacted to the graphics update. Most of them if you play in low detail then this does not occur.

I believe this is just a way of reducing lag slightly. Not entirely sure. I doubt jagex sat down and decided to do that without a good reason to though.

Character model - depends what your character looks like. I admit that I had to change my appearance slightly so I didn't look stupid.

A lot of the worst item graphics have been fixed. But yes, there are still a few that need fixing still.

With regards to the number of players - runescape used to have around 40-50k bots online CONSTANTLY. This accounts for the vast majority in the dro in the number of players. And the number of subscribing members is at an all time high and rising.

I had created a thread on the compliments forum trying to save tutorial island. I do not think that the new tutorial is better, but I don't feel it to be much worse, and also I believe that Jagex have plans for tutorial island which wouldn't work if there were a load of newbies there. (Note also that this is another case of Jagex listening to the players - most people wanted the tutorial to be changed and updated, so Jagex did just that - the changed bit anyway. Most people seemed to prefer the new one. I was one of the few that did not.)

The subscription price hasn't increased. Yet. Anyway, if you worked out how much it would be if it had been adjusted for inflation every year since it came out, you would find that the price has dropped. Anyway, as I said above, there are more subscribing members now than ever before, and most of the "quitters" were bots.

Originally posted by luckypotato

Originally posted by plqx 

1 - Runescape has a large variety. Yes, to train each individual skill is a grind... If training one skill and one skill only for a long period of time is what you want to do. However, if you don't want to grind you don't have to - you can still experience the vast majority of the game without it.

1- Too much grind if you ask me

2 - It is a matter of opinion what makes a good pvp system. But the rewards are exactly the same as they always have been - and a good deal better than most other mmorpgs.

2- You apparently never played the pre-bounty hunter (wild) runescape

3 - what do you mean by this? that levels go slowly? If so, I challenge you to find me a decent mmo where the levels don't go slowly by the end. Oh wait, there aren't any... If you are talking about lag - try using a better world for you.

3-No i mean all you do it click the character and sit and wait, fast paced games are games with skills like GuildWars

4 - Replace 92% with 2% and you would be about right. However this is indeed a problem (although one which seems to have reduced substantially over the last few months), and one of the downsides of Runescape. Why is this the case? Because the game is so accessible. You don't have to spend hours downloading it, and you can play for free. Of course you will get idiots playing. It is a shame, but it is a price that, in my opinion, is worth paying.

4-Eh...atleast 50% of people are under 12, trust me..i played (past tense) Runescape sence 2005

5 - There are a lot of mmos that use clicking to move. To be honest I don't really care whether a game uses arrow keys or the mouse. What difference does it make?

5- I just dont like it, i much rather use wasd movement, its a much better position for my hands

6 - I am yet to come across another gaming company that cares as much as Jagex does about what people want... Even the updates at the end of last year - complaints about bots were far more common than complaints about the wildy are now... And even if they did only want your money... how would they go about getting it? That's right - by implementing updates that people want.  An example of a far more money-hungry gaming company would be Aeria games - who just create various games and then never update them other than to create new items for the item mall - which have to be bought for real world cash. I am glad to say that selling items in such a way is something that Jagex have chosen not to do - and any firm that just cared about cash wouldn't hesitate to do.

6- (then you play crappy mmo's..play Warhammer online, and Darkfall when they come out, or if you want to play a good game right now, play GuildWars..one time pay) Again, Fagex didnt REALLY care about rwt, it was an excuse to make the game apporiate for kids under 13 (jagex is releading a parental control system for runescape in Q2-3 2009

7 - load of nonsense. How many nerfs have there been so far this year? Oh wait... None.

7- I havent played sence 2007 but i do know that Sara (boss) safe spot for rangers got nerf'd

8 - also a load of nonsense. Many jmods are active on the forums, and they are frequently sighted in game. You can (and should) report any rulebreakers you see easily via an anonymous in-game facility. There is a very high number of players per customer support jmod simply because of the huge number of players.

8- Out of 2 years of playing i NEVER saw a jmod in-game, ive only seen pmods

9 - everyone who claims they were banned for no reason is lying. Everyone. People have been muted for no significant reason before - usually due to a misunderstanding by a player moderator.

9- I got banned for RWT for saying "46k" which refers to 46,000 gp (ingame) -.-

10 - have you played runescape since the graphical update? Nope, thought not. While these may not be the best in the business, can you blame them given that it is a browser based game. The runescape graphics are way better than ANY other browser based game in existance.

10- not for long...youll see, and it dosent matter that its a browser based game, a game is a game and the fact is with a simple 1-2 hour download you can get a way better completely free f2p game with way better graphics (such as requiem bloodymare)

 

kthxx

~luckypotato

 

1 - Fair enough. Everyone has a different idea how much is too much.

2 - I have been playing RuneScape since October 2004.

4 - As said above, I have played RS since October 2004. Also, a lot of people you assume to be under 12 are actually 14 or 15. And a very few people you assume to be over 12, aren't.

5 - Fair enough. I don't.

6 - That may be the case. I don't tend to play mmos that aren't at least available to play by free players. I don't have an unlimited supply of cash and as such I limit what games I can play. I am prepared to accept that better games you generally have to pay a lot of cash for - it makes perfect sense. But that's just not what I'm after. Cheapness to play is essential for me, and with cheapness will, in general, come lower quality. Stating that Jagex (note the J, not an F) didn't care about RWT is a downright lie, and if you believe that then you are deluded.

7 - see my post above this one. Not entirely sure where this specific case falls - it is in the hazy area between bug fix and nerf (in fact, you could argue that it was both).

8 - I have seen jmods a total of 14 times in game. And I don't go out of my way to look for them. They might be more active on UK worlds though - I don't use any others except when I have to.

10. This is not a reply to you, but to an earlier post. I tried Wurm online - and yes, I will grant that it has better graphics than RuneScape. But it also has the most horrendous lag I have ever encountered on an MMO. I scrolled down in the menu at the start of the tutorial, and it took over 5 minutes to register that I had done. Sorry, but better graphics really are NOT worth that much lag in my opinion.

And, as was said above, it is not a browser game.

Plqx,

Of course you wouldnt be bothered much by the changes to icebarrage since you dont have the ability to cast it. You are mainly a skiller. You have over 30Mil xp in woodcutting alone. & yes it is a big deal to me that i trained 99 magic so that i could have the most feared spells in the game & jagex nerfed the best 1 to the degree that it looks like a low lvl air spell. And 1/2 the time it doesnt even ice on 1st cast. & if i cast on a crowd, it only 'cubes' 1-2 targets max.

It also irritates me as a maxed ranger that the graphics for all of the best bows have been worsened, as well as the stance while they are equipped. Crossbows look the same as before however.

The chinning spot was always there as far as i know. It wasnt a bug. Jagex even acknowledged that they decreased the spawn rate on purpose to balance training.

The old BH rules were not a bug.

A bug would be like an unintentional P-hat spawn, or being unable to leave an area once you enter it.

I almost forgot that my old PKing weapon of choice [obsidian rings] were nerfed from knife speed down to shortbow speed. The price has since dropped by over 90% since they are prctically useless now.

Runescape never had 40-50k bots online. That would be over 25% of the online population last year during peak hours, and nearly all accts during the wee hours. I used to go bot hunting on my ruined str pure/p-mod [pmods dont have to w8 60seconds between reports, so its much faster] & the most id ever see on a server were like 100 or so f2p [by my estimate], and much less p2p [mainly just a handful of flaxers ess miners].

Any why do u keep referring to nerfs being last year?

The point is that for the past year we have had alotta nerfs & lost many great official & emergent features.

Just what *have* we gotten?

Some low lvl quests?

More lag?

Summoning?

Why is it that mages havent gotten a real update in the last 2 years?

Oh w8...they removed the best spell in the modern book [tb] and replaced it with BH locate.

Then they nerfed BH locate from lvl 80 down to lvl 32-ish so that noobs could have the same advantage as skilled mages.

They even made ancient teleports & alchemy look worse.

They did make degrading FoG robes that are worse than what mages have already had for years.

Sorry, but not all ppl enjoy grinding on trees/rocks/fishing spots for hundreds of hours with no reward for lvl gains.

Most non-combat skills are just endless grind that farms stuff to sell so that you can afford combat items & status symbols like rares & high scores in 'buyable' stats.

The rest are just moneysinks.

All of my membership accts i paid over the years were different types of PKer pures & 1 staking pure.

Chopping wood & doing silly kid-friendly quests that grant small rewards just isnt my thing.

I liked using rl skill to defeat other ppl my own lvl in 1vs1 fair & riskey fights.

Old-school PKing was an adrenaline rush.

BH is a zero honor gankfest. Its full of clans & pjers.

A soloist/honor PKer dosent stand much of a chance, and now even if they do get a kill they probably wont escape with the loot.

Years ago jagex claimed to have 'over 1mil members'. Years later, they still say 'over 1mil members'.

1 thing i *have* noticed is that during peak usa hours it never even reaches 200k+ online like it did in the past. Right now its about as peak as it gets, and theres little more than 148k online.

It didnt even top 200k when HD was released.

The only 'features' that distinguish runescape from other modern mmorpgs are the excessive grind, zero learning curve, frequent small updates & the poorer quality graphics.

We all know its a java game & its cheap. But when you consider that a year-long membership to runescape costs more than buying a cutting-edge download game from an old reputable publisher, its not such a bargain.

I understand that ur a fan, and you may even be proud that a UK made game has had such world-wide success.

I used to be a runescape fan also. I played almost daily for 3 years and even earned two player moderatorships on my 1st 2 pures.

There came a point when i realized that i was just clicking my life away with zero upper-lvl rewards for my efforts.

There also came a point when i opened my eyes and realised that a large amount of players just macro their stats & cash, thus making all my honest accomplishments rather meaningless since gp buys stats & power in rs.

Actively 'modding' isnt fun either. It feels like ur babysitting a bunch of unruley little kids.

Man, i didnt intend to make this post quite that long

I guess im done lol

Originally posted by V_Repoman_V

Plqx,

Of course you wouldnt be bothered much by the changes to icebarrage since you dont have the ability to cast it. You are mainly a skiller. You have over 30Mil xp in woodcutting alone. & yes it is a big deal to me that i trained 99 magic so that i could have the most feared spells in the game & jagex nerfed the best 1 to the degree that it looks like a low lvl air spell. And 1/2 the time it doesnt even ice on 1st cast. & if i cast on a crowd, it only 'cubes' 1-2 targets max.

It also irritates me as a maxed ranger that the graphics for all of the best bows have been worsened, as well as the stance while they are equipped. Crossbows look the same as before however.

The chinning spot was always there as far as i know. It wasnt a bug. Jagex even acknowledged that they decreased the spawn rate on purpose to balance training.

The old BH rules were not a bug.

A bug would be like an unintentional P-hat spawn, or being unable to leave an area once you enter it.

I almost forgot that my old PKing weapon of choice [obsidian rings] were nerfed from knife speed down to shortbow speed. The price has since dropped by over 90% since they are prctically useless now.

Runescape never had 40-50k bots online. That would be over 25% of the online population last year during peak hours, and nearly all accts during the wee hours. I used to go bot hunting on my ruined str pure/p-mod [pmods dont have to w8 60seconds between reports, so its much faster] & the most id ever see on a server were like 100 or so f2p [by my estimate], and much less p2p [mainly just a handful of flaxers ess miners].

Any why do u keep referring to nerfs being last year?

The point is that for the past year we have had alotta nerfs & lost many great official & emergent features.

Just what *have* we gotten?

Some low lvl quests?

More lag?

Summoning?

Why is it that mages havent gotten a real update in the last 2 years?

Oh w8...they removed the best spell in the modern book [tb] and replaced it with BH locate.

Then they nerfed BH locate from lvl 80 down to lvl 32-ish so that noobs could have the same advantage as skilled mages.

They even made ancient teleports & alchemy look worse.

They did make degrading FoG robes that are worse than what mages have already had for years.

 

Sorry, but not all ppl enjoy grinding on trees/rocks/fishing spots for hundreds of hours with no reward for lvl gains.

Most non-combat skills are just endless grind that farms stuff to sell so that you can afford combat items & status symbols like rares & high scores in 'buyable' stats.

The rest are just moneysinks.

All of my membership accts i paid over the years were different types of PKer pures & 1 staking pure.

Chopping wood & doing silly kid-friendly quests that grant small rewards just isnt my thing.

I liked using rl skill to defeat other ppl my own lvl in 1vs1 fair & riskey fights.

Old-school PKing was an adrenaline rush.

BH is a zero honor gankfest. Its full of clans & pjers.

A soloist/honor PKer dosent stand much of a chance, and now even if they do get a kill they probably wont escape with the loot.

 

Years ago jagex claimed to have 'over 1mil members'. Years later, they still say 'over 1mil members'.

1 thing i *have* noticed is that during peak usa hours it never even reaches 200k+ online like it did in the past. Right now its about as peak as it gets, and theres little more than 148k online.

It didnt even top 200k when HD was released.

 

The only 'features' that distinguish runescape from other modern mmorpgs are the excessive grind, zero learning curve, frequent small updates & the poorer quality graphics.

We all know its a java game & its cheap. But when you consider that a year-long membership to runescape costs more than buying a cutting-edge download game from an old reputable publisher, its not such a bargain.

I understand that ur a fan, and you may even be proud that a UK made game has had such world-wide success.

I used to be a runescape fan also. I played almost daily for 3 years and even earned two player moderatorships on my 1st 2 pures.

There came a point when i realized that i was just clicking my life away with zero upper-lvl rewards for my efforts.

There also came a point when i opened my eyes and realised that a large amount of players just macro their stats & cash, thus making all my honest accomplishments rather meaningless since gp buys stats & power in rs.

Actively 'modding' isnt fun either. It feels like ur babysitting a bunch of unruley little kids.

 

Man, i didnt intend to make this post quite that long

I guess im done lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I completely agree with just about everything you said.

It's true that every other game has a little bit of grinding involved. But with RS the grinding isn't even worth it.

You don't get any real rewards for all the grinding. Jagex will just add an update that basically ruins the potential rewards for all of your hard work.

One thing I've noticed, is that they don't even seem to consider the effects that their updates will have on players.

I know that a lot of what I'm saying has been stated over and over again but perhaps this does need to be said again and again.

It just seems that any accomplishments that one might have had, seem to be completely destroyes with each new update.

A good game should be make grinding so fun and worth it that you wouldn't even know the grinding was there. With runescape you just don't see that.

With all that said, there are many aspects of the game I was looking forward to for years. Summoning was a skill many players had been looking forward to for years. There was a lot of antcipation for it.

However, miraculously Jagex found a way to mess that up. The whole pouch-making idea is both unoriginal and just plain boring. The familiars you could summon were just terrible with the exception of a few decent ones. The charm drop rate is fairly low.

There are so many things that I feel are wrong with summoning but I don't feel like listing them all here, so i'll just name a few.

I was expecting a less monotonous way of training summoning, instead of just spending money for supplies and making pouches. I was also expecting much more powerful and overall more badass monsters.

I would have thought I would at least be able to summon a dragon or a demon. I hate all the stupid familiars like the beaver, or the ant, or the wolpertinger (whatever its called).

I mean I was expecting like basilisks and dragons. Not the wimpy little things we have. I was also expecting that we could use these familiars just about everywhere and not just mulit-combat areas.

Oh well, I suppose it's pointless to rant about that now. But Jagex always seems to amaze me with the new ways they find to further destroy their game. Kudos jagex.