Star Wars Galaxies

I am not a pre-cu player.  I started in CU and had a ball.  I have played the NGE and have had some fun in the past.  I do wish I had started pre-cu.  It sounded like a terrific system.  Of course I quacked and have to say I see the potential everyone here talks about.

But since the NGE the most fun I have had is actually in these forums both current and vets.  I feel it is based on the idea of community.  Since I started playing EVE I still spend more of my gaming time on these forums than actually playing EVE in game.  The sheer passion both sides of SWG offers dynamically is fun. Almost like like an interactive  game and entertainment just without the graphics.

Imho there were those that got screwed over by SOE. Namely with ToOW and the unethical launch of the NGE.  I do feel if anyone enjoys the current game they have every right to.  I also beive anyone that wants to criticize the current game and its producing company has a right and duty to.  Reguardless of how much time has past.  After all those that ignore or forget the past are doomed to repeat it.  Good discussion is paramount.

I recently had a thread I started removed in the current/general area. Not just locked.  While I am not upset about a thread I started got deleted, I am sick of seeing MMORPG deleting whole threads because they get derailed.  Both sides of the passionate sides have a part in it.  Including me.  I wish MMORPG would just lock the thread in the future instead of deleting it.  I had good info there not relating to why it got locked concerning the GU5 update.  Both positive and negative opinions and ripe for disscussion.   I am not blaming any person(s).

MMORPG and staff, could you please just lock the threads from now on instead of deleting.  Sometimes even though the thread derails there are still vaild info and disscussion that precede the derailment.  Thanks.

Don't read any thing into posting in vets area.  I just don't feel like double posting to the current forum.

Oh...I've been drinking so please let me know if I mentioned the embarasing time with the hooker in Nogales.  Thanks.  I don't want to make myself look bad...

As a pre-cu player, the ONLY fun that I have been able to get out of this game for a long time is reading the veteran forum.

Would I resub to try the NGE? Not a chance.
As fondly as I remember this game, it's not the game we left behind.

Glad that you too enjoy the Veteran forum....I suspect it will be going long after the NGE bantha doings has disappeared down the river.

PS: Now that you mention it, my wookie had a few interesting stories about back alley hookers in Mos Espa.....

The problem isn't with the game for most players because if it launched like the NGE (obviously without the crap UI and the stupid aiming) then alot of people would still be happy with it. However it's how SOE/LA lied and treated everyone which pisses most SWG veterans off and that's something that can never go away.

I personally would resub in a heartbeat if they brought pre cu back but alot of people wouldn't.

Originally posted by JustBe

The problem isn't with the game for most players because if it launched like the NGE (obviously without the crap UI and the stupid aiming) then alot of people would still be happy with it. However it's how SOE/LA lied and treated everyone which pisses most SWG veterans off and that's something that can never go away.

I personally would resub in a heartbeat if they brought pre cu back but alot of people wouldn't.

The problem with the game is the game itself.  The fraud, lies, and hostility towards customomers is the problem with the company behind the game. 

SWG, as it is today, is a horrible mess of a game.  It is the single worst MMO available.  The core game systems are poorly designed and implemented.  The combat system is just flat out bad.  The quests in the game are poorly thought out and for the most part, don't fit the IP.  The classes are poorly conceived and are constantly being altered because of that.  The only consistent thing about the game's development, from the time it was launched, is that the developers are willing to make sweeping changed that disregard anything the players have accomplished in the game.

If SWG launched with the NGE, it would be in the same sad shape it is in now.  The game is unfun and unpolished.  Even among the people who are still subscribed to the game, the largest group is Star Wars fans who don't really like the game.  Even with the circumstances surrounding the NGE being inflicted on the game, if it was actually fun and a good game it would have a lot more players than it currently does.  If you mention SWG in any other MMO, everyone will mention that the game sucks.  Very few mention how it was inflicted on the former playerbase.

The current dev team is not the one who "lied" to you, in fact many of them that did "lie" to you are hard at work on the Bioware game right now. The current dev team has the game very polished, it's fun to play and the amount of content is so far superior to any we had in the pre-cu time period. At this point with the release of GU5 which makes EVERY SINGLE weapon better if crafted by a player over any loot drop, the vets in my opinion have this to complain about:

1. The UI  Why you all have such a hard time with point and click and watching a toolbar for a cooldown timer over stacking 20+ attacks in a combat log is beyond me.

2. Collision, need I mention that the pre-cu game did not have it and you ALL LOVED IT.

3. Loss of the 32 professions to 9 "iconic" professions.

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Originally posted by Gutboy
The current dev team is not the one who "lied" to you, in fact many of them that did "lie" to you are hard at work on the Bioware game right now. The current dev team has the game very polished, it's fun to play and the amount of content is so far superior to any we had in the pre-cu time period. At this point with the release of GU5 which makes EVERY SINGLE weapon better if crafted by a player over any loot drop, the vets in my opinion have this to complain about:
1. The UI  Why you all have such a hard time with point and click and watching a toolbar for a cooldown timer over stacking 20+ attacks in a combat log is beyond me.
2. Collision, need I mention that the pre-cu game did not have it and you ALL LOVED IT.
3. Loss of the 32 professions to 9 "iconic" professions.
 

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The current DEV team is little better than past DEV teams. They have could care less about erasing player efforts each time they re-invent the game. They lack vision and ethics, just like all the other DEV teams.

Originally posted by Gutboy

The current dev team is not the one who "lied" to you, in fact many of them that did "lie" to you are hard at work on the Bioware game right now. The current dev team has the game very polished, it's fun to play and the amount of content is so far superior to any we had in the pre-cu time period. At this point with the release of GU5 which makes EVERY SINGLE weapon better if crafted by a player over any loot drop, the vets in my opinion have this to complain about:

1. The UI  Why you all have such a hard time with point and click and watching a toolbar for a cooldown timer over stacking 20+ attacks in a combat log is beyond me.

2. Collision, need I mention that the pre-cu game did not have it and you ALL LOVED IT.

3. Loss of the 32 professions to 9 "iconic" professions.

 

The current game is not fun to play, nor is it polished.  That is the primary reason so few people now play it.  The old game was never polished, but the core game was a lot more fun than the current one, which is why so many more people played it.  The old game never lived up to its potential, the current game has no potential to live up to.

Most of the former SWG devs who are at BioWare Austin are ones who left around the time of the CU (the sooper sekret insiedry word is that Gordon Walton actually left SOE because of the CU).

1.  The current default UI is horrible.  Even Obriak, who sees few, if any, of the game's faults, will reccomend that people download and use third party mods to change the UI to something intuitive and functional.

2. The current combat system requires a collision system to properly function.  Hell, even Wolfenstien 3D didn't allow NPCs to shoot at you through walls.  The game should have had a collision system at launch.  It was a very poor choice not to.  At any rate, the current combat system is horrible and not any fun.  Considering the game is primarily based around combat, that is a very bad thing.

3. The nine classes, since the only one that could in any way be considered a 'profession' is bounty hunter, since they have the ability to hunt bounties, are poorly concieved.  There is a reason that the developers focus on revamping them every few months.

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