Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by GreenChaos

Originally posted by Juvante

 It's still Realm vs Realm but what makes it more exciting is having 3 battlefronts to choose from, now you have only 1 and you’re missing essential classes.

 

Sorry wrong.   And you played all these classes to know they were essential? 

Don't judge a game until you play it.  And I'm not just saying that, many people have played it, and do not feel the way you do.  This I get from other forums, that are not so picky about NDAs.

 

 

It is essential when you base your entire game off a rock, paper and scissors formula and then decide to cut them out.  Again i also said that i know not everyone is going to agree with me, and just because a small number of beta testers like the game, doesn't mean the masses will.  We are all different but we are also very similar as well.  And some things that i like, others like, some things that i dislike others dislike.  We are different and yet the same but in variable degrees.

People might think i set my standards too high, but considering how the MMO industry has been doing lately i think a high standard needs to take root.  I refuse to buy into the hype like AoC, and i refuse to play a game that cuts out , yes, essential classes which are part of the formula that they talked about in their podcasts.  No guarantee they will add them in later.  Warrior Priest tank? Please!!!!

Everything you are saying is based on assumptions. You have no idea if these classes were ever implemented in the first place, you have no idea if any of these classes ever saw the light of day in closed beta. I cannot say more due to the NDA, but you are assuming far too much. To call these classes essential while admitting you have never touched the game, nor do you have knowledge if these classes were even part of the greater formula Mythic was using, is far beyond ignorant. To put it plainy, it's simply stupidity.

You have no knowledge what the formula Mythic has been using in their development process, yet you call 4 classes that they decided to cut essential to the greater WAR. Are you really claiming to know more than the devs of the game? You are truly reaching now.

Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by Urtok

Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by Urtok

Originally posted by sanders01

1 battlefront you hit over and over and over again,

 

Well I just have to say I hope you are going Destruction pref Chaos and just do the Chaos battlefront while we in order steam roll Dark Elf and Greenskin and open the Chaos cities from those battlefronts.  What? you mean you have not seen the new podcast explaining you have to control 2 of the 3 battlefronts to open the city seige so it won't be just one battlefront over and over and over?  oh....

 

I saw the new podcast, but its going along with what i was saying.  Those 4 capital cities don't exist and the four classes are gone, its just about the order and chaos battlefront now.  So yes you have to take those fortresses in the other zones but its narrowed down, which i don't think they should have done and it wasn't the picture they painted months ago to us.  They drop the ball on us at the last second.

 

 

Troll, just a troll...

Presented with proof from a dev podcast that his assumpsion is wrong, he still clings and insist his assumpsion is true  and continues to argue that its still just one and only really one battleground to fight over.  Ignoring the fact it's now a realm city and not just a racial city.  If he actually watched the podcast he would admit the one and only one battleground assumsion is wrong.  The podcast clearly shows all 3 battlefront is still there and you have to fight over and win 2 of the 3 to open a city.  If anything there is more needed to capture a capital city now than before.  Meaning more battles, more RvR, more WAAAAARG!!  You have to win 2 battlefront now instade of just one racial battlefront.

He dismiss the capture of the fortess as minor when from the pod cast to capture a fortess you need to control all four tiers in that battlefront (i.e. same as capturing a single city if there were 6).  But to him that is minor and trivial because only the empire/chaos battlefront is all there is.  Willfull blindness and ignorance.

The OP is just a troll and not really wanting enlightment as proven by being presented by correct information he ignores it and insist his OP is "the one true interperation".

And with that I am out of this thread and taking my bread crumbs home and nolonger feeding the troll

 

The original plan and vision they had was better, 6 capital cities, giving each player his own capital city pride.  Not 2 capital cities and untested Fortresses that you have to claim to open up the city, that could have been added in a patch or later on in an expansion or whatever, if you wanted a 5th tier, the original plan was way better.

What in God's holy name leads you to believe that the fortresses are untested?

Originally posted by Xiliaro

WAR would not announce "we are shooting ourselves in the foot."  Clearly their openess about it should be reassuring to the customers who are finally seeing some publishers with integrity!!  Too many games have been published with vast open spaces of crap.  Id rather have a little concentrated polished content than oceans of garbage with bugs and imbalance.  You may have lost your favorite class or the most intruiging city, but im sure it was done for our benefit as gamers.

They were given time, two delays to be exact, and they still couldn't get it done.  No we don't need to have an ocean of bugs, nobody wants that, but there's also no reason to release an unfinished game either

Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by Urtok

The original plan and vision they had was better, 6 capital cities, giving each player his own capital city pride.  Not 2 capital cities and untested Fortresses that you have to claim to open up the city, that could have been added in a patch or later on in an expansion or whatever, if you wanted a 5th tier, the original plan was way better.

IMHO.. you forget IMHO... and IMHO the new plan is way better

Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by Xiliaro

WAR would not announce "we are shooting ourselves in the foot."  Clearly their openess about it should be reassuring to the customers who are finally seeing some publishers with integrity!!  Too many games have been published with vast open spaces of crap.  Id rather have a little concentrated polished content than oceans of garbage with bugs and imbalance.  You may have lost your favorite class or the most intruiging city, but im sure it was done for our benefit as gamers.

 

They were given time, two delays to be exact, and they still couldn't get it done.  No we don't need to have an ocean of bugs, nobody wants that, but there's also no reason to release an unfinished game either

Ocean of bugs? Unfinished game? Where are your sources? Where are your facts? You are basing your opinion on the developers original vision. Guess what, a vision doesn't always equate into reality. People who live in the real world make descisions based on the way things are not as we would have them. Maybe when you move out of your mother's basement you'll learn this adult concept.

Originally posted by checkthis500

Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by Capn23

Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by imitator

Originally posted by Juvante

  The Overall awareness of fan base was that the game was going to have three battlefronts

Greenskins vs Dwarves

Chaos vs Order

High Elves vs Dark Elves

It's still Realm vs Realm but what makes it more exciting is having 3 battlefronts to choose from, now you have only 1 and you’re missing essential classes.  Like one of the posters already stated.  It needs more cooking time in the oven, and for them to release it now is foolish.

To the other posters that could do nothing but say i make assumptions or i need to do more research, i already know theres going to be disagreements, but i have done my research, and no i have not made a fool out of myself.  I have stated my opinion on the current state of the game, and for you to not agree that is your choice, theres no need to be insulting.  But either way it doesn't effect me, you will always have people that disagree with you.  When it comes to Mythic,  I know what their reasons are, and they are poor excuses when instead they should work more on the game and get it done right, period.

 

You can tell yourself that you are well informed about the game, and have "done your research" but the OP shows to anyone who has half a clue, that you dont know a damn thing about the current state of the game, or anything specific about it.

But thats ok, ignorance is alot easier, and less time consuming than learning about the topic you are talking about.

Tell me exactly what I'm wrong about, they are cutting out the major capital cities, am i right?  They are cutting 4 classes, you agree?  What am i wrong about?

 

Are you in Beta?

Hearing that 4 classes are being cut and 4 capital cities which were very much anticipated by a lot of people including myself, you don't need to be in beta to realize that there is something very wrong with that.  But no I am not in beta.  They gave us Podcasts to tell us what they were doing, so we get an overview of what is happening.  The original plan was way better and not the one they are doing now.  They have cut out essential classes and unbalanced the game and they force people to alter their playstyles and continue to pay for it.  Nope.  By the time they get all that in, IF THEY EVER, a better MMO will be out.

If you were in beta you'd be singing a different tune.  The fact is you DO have to be in beta to know how much has changed, and you also are assuming in your OP that the game is rushed..... If you listen to anyone in beta, or read any review you'll know that they have all said that this is the most polished game they've seen pre-release. 
 

If a game is the most polished game they've seen prerelease and there's still a month before launch, can you really say it's rushed and unfinished?

The fact is that you're missing things that were never there to begin with. 

The beta testers never saw the other 4 cities, therefore they weren't there, they only briefly played 2 of the four missing classes and never played the other two, so 2 of the classes that are missing now were never there.

If you knew all of the things that got cut before release from single player games your head would spin.  The fact is, you're complaining about something you've never seen, and arguing that something should be there based on zero facts, only conjecture based on what's drawn on paper.

We all know from AoC that things that seem like great ideas aren't necessarily great ones in practice.

I will really take your word for it and the review, oh yes, I'll just buy into the hype, its the most "polished game ever", sure, more marketing hype.  NO.

Theres a difference between cutting your favorite dungeon that you made, or cutting out that cute little monster, or cutting out that particular quest, and then theres a HUGE DIFFERENCE of cutting out a fundamental part of the game, 4 archetypes for every race, but they decided to cut it out because they gave up.  In my opinion they will have a weaker game because of it.  Yea, we'll see after months of RvR and not having those classes.  In fact, don't ever expect to see them ever or even the capital cities.  They will just hope that the player base will be too distracted to care and keep paying monthly.  Dronning on the same battlefront over and over between chaos and order.  And i consider a battlefront one where you fight in a line between two living capital cities, not for a fortress on 5th tier.

Originally posted by zeul81

as far as i'm concerned there are still 4 archtypes;  5 tanks, 5  mele, 6 ranged, 6 healers; yes they are not equal, that does not mean that the game is imbalanced, nor can you prove that that makes the game imbalanced

 watever they tell you now, or told you before dosn't matter, nothing is permanent untill release, the game is not unfinished (read my prevous post), if this turns you off  then don't buy the game, but don't QQ to them for making a game you don't like

you keep coming back and reposting things that people have already told you are wrong, thus said you are a troll and are spamming.....somone that the WAR communitly will be happy to get rid of
 

 

I am merely replying to their posts.  I'm not buying the game you're right about that, and I'm not QQing to Mythic, I am stating my points here.  Thank you for letting me know where you stand and the fact that you believe there is nothing wrong and you will be happy to pay for an unfinished game, good for you.

I've read every single one of his posts on this topic and i have to agree in that he does follow a pattern of flip flopping constantly and the fact that all he has/can complain about is "the 4 esseintal classes" and the capitals

The real question here is how much Blizzard is paying this guys company to trash WAR.

Originally posted by Juvante

  I'm not a Warhammer Online lore fan or a table top fan but all i can say is, that the game we all have been truly waiting for isn't going to come.  We were not promised, but we were told that there would be 6 capital cities with 24 classes all balancing out the game with PvP, PvE, RvR, etc.

Instead what we have is a rushed, unfinished game going retail without 4 essential classes and the 4 living capital cities for the other factions.

Now lets go into greater detail on why i think this is a MAJOR killing blow to the game.

1)  Obviously in PvE, they won't have a tank, and if all the tanks from the other side goto that side to "MAKE UP" for it, that side will be short on tanks.  Greenskins battles with the dwarves will be reduced to a shootout since the tanks will get roasted by the magic dealers, according to the archetype formula they are weak vs magic dealers, and it will be a shootout after they are dead.  No melee dps there to take care of clothies, oops, thats not good.  Thats like a warrior with a sword and shield wacking on a priest for 45 damage, 35 damage, 56 damage, priest does 2342 damage, warrior owned.  The tanks will be useless because there will be no melee dps to worry about and magic can BYPASS collision detection, obviously.  Oops, missed that didn't we.  Goodbye collision detection.  Bye Bye one race guilds, goodbye roleplaying.  Bye Bye Karak Eight Peaks. 

2)  It forces people to leave their racial zone, some people won't want to do that for roleplaying reasons or because they want to enjoy their special race content first, then move on.  Since you can dive right into the game at level 1 for every single part of the game, both PvP and PvE, those factions missing the essential classes will be severley crippled and it will show in mass scale once the game goes live.  It's going to be irritating having to wait or be the person that has to leave their zone to goto the other faction zones, just so they can fill in the roles that are SUPPOSE TO BE THERE.

3) Those that have all 4 will kill those that have 3 because the melee dps will tear through the clothies like swiss cheese, they will have no one to protect them or a protector to heal.  Collision detection will be useless because the melee dps can't tank and certainly the healer can't either!!  Warrior priest is NOT the tank sorry, that just doesn't work according to the archetype formula.  Yea, this is warhammer, yea everyone fights but hes THE HEALER, if he goes down, no healing.  You can kiss goodbye surviving more then 20 seconds when all your fragile classes fall apart to the 4 class race that has it all.  The faction with 4 will have more variety and options to use no matter how good they make the 3 classes, which will put the battle into the favor of chaos and into the favor of the High Elves and reduce PvP for Greenskins and Dwarves to a old west shootout game.

4) The missing cities cripples the game quite a bit.  For those that like Roleplaying, me not being one of them, you can throw that right out the window.  Once people finally take the capital city, there will be nothing left to do.  Doesn't that just remind you of a game we all know quite well?  Instead of the excitement and adrenaline rush constantly going, and people saying "ONTO THE NEXT BATTLEFRONT", or "LETS GO HELP OUR ALLIES", it will be "Ok, lets camp and loot one capital and wait for the inevitable timer to run out so that they get buffs that make them overpowered and push us out of the city, and then, WHAT WILL BE THE INCENTIVE TO DO THAT AGAIN?  Maybe you would do it again, but three times?  Four?  Twenty?  No, thats like saying you want to raid the same dungeon 30 times in a row....no sorry.  I would have rather moved to the other battlefront and tried to attack the other living capital city, not some pathetic fortress.  They totally narrowed it down to one capital city, i don't care how epic they make it, sure, epic only lasts so long and we all know that, once its over, its OVER.

5)  Jeff can compare it to Football all he wants to, "If you win the Superbowl, you don't just quit and never play again, you try to win the super bowl again"....sorry Jeff this is a video game, not the super bowl.  Who really wants to start all the way over from city 1 and do it all over again 20-30 times in the same zones, yea and you can just forget about the other faction racial zones, the skirmishes over there will be hauntingly empty.  Well no, correction, they won't be since you HAVE to fight over there to get the fortress and then open yourself up to the Altdorf or Chaos city, but still, every quest and every event you participate in will mean nothing to you if you're a dwarf or a elf or a greenskin, now its all about ONE faction, order and chaos.  So Roleplayers, you can forget about meeting that epic endgame boss in your races capital, you won't have one.   Coming from the horses mouth himself:

Mark Jacobs: We never intended on making the other cities living cities.

Oh ok, thanks for being clear about that in the podcasts, i kinda got the idea that you wanted that "awesome" as you call it feature for all the other ones too, hmm, guess not.  Money seems to matter more even though by doing this you will make less money when people get bored.  So long term you fail, short term you might get a hype sell and lots of money, then lose subscribers once a better game comes out.

Paul Barnett:  Warhammer Online for the next 20 years

Nope sorry, more like 2 years and then a serious decline.  I refuse to pay for a game unfinished and wait till they decide whenever its convenient to them, to add in the missing content.  You are paying them YOUR hard earned money and they have no obligation or desire to give you ANYTHING if you continue to pay them for unfinished games.  You can be in denial all you want to, i was waiting for this game too, but when it comes down to end game and racing to the finish line, Mythic drops the ball.  I refuse to play a broken game that goes against its very foundation of Rock, Paper and Scissors and then leaving out Rock, or maybe scissors here and there.  And expecting the playerbase to "deal with it" "make up for it", or force them to alter their playstyles because they have to leave their zones and goto a different zone.  Will you even have trainers in the other zones, like an engineer going to order, or will they have to walk all the way back to dwarven lands, talk about irritating.

For a game that had up to two delays, they decide to rush the game out, with a broken and unbalanced combat system, because its missing the essential archetypes to give those players a chance.  Just imagine people thinking that when they enter the game as ORDER, that I'm going to play PvP RIGHT AWAY, how are you going to feel when you come against chaos who, have all of the archetypes, and totally nail your casters because they have a dps and a tank.  Their tank uses collision detection to protect their weaker allies, and order can't.  What happens?  The melee dps gets owned hardcore, he cannot tank and this will happen in PvE too.  The casters will be chased by melee dps and chaos chosens and cut down inevitably because they have no protection.  Sad, very sad.  Then everyone will cry and complain and say , "Go roll a ironbreaker and come over here and help us", and then he says " BUT i dont want to be a tank i like my witchhunter".  "LF IRONBREAKER OR HIGH ELF TANK, PLEASE HELP US WERE GETTING OWNED HARDCORE OVER HERE.  WE CAN"T EVEN DO OUR OWN PUBLIC QUESTS, WERE PATHETIC!".  So i guess Order is on autopilot for getting spanked until the Ironbreaker comes to save the day or the High Elf  tank, and that is just down right sad.

The poor dark elves will be feeling the same heat, they will get spanked by the high elves.

The greenskins and dwarves will be standing 10 feet apart like British Minute Men and fire volleys of magic at each other because the ironbreakers will be obliterated by the nuking casters and their will be no melee dps to be found.

So to sum it up:

Order vs Chaos = Order gets its clothies ripped to shreds and they get annialated

High Elves vs Dark Elves = Same things as above for Dark Elves

Dwarves and Greenskins = Like an Old Western Shootout movie scene

And Mythic seriously thinks this is ok?  No, its not ok.  Have i not convinced you yet, are you just waiting to get to the end of this so you can flame me with a million reasons as to how wrong i am?  Do you think " They are withholding them to be released later" 

Says who?  What makes you think they HAVE to, once you have paid them for 12 months or more, get out a calculator and times 3,000,000 x $15.00/month and times that by 12.  Yes wow, thats 540,000,00 MILLION DOLLARS, thats enough to make several MMOs.  And that doesn't include the fact that it could be more then 3 million subscribers, what if the hype got so huge and people stayed in denial for a whole year about the game just like they did in a game we all know quite well (you know of what i speak).  What if it was 6,000,000 people, oh good lord thats 1,080,000,000....a BILLION.  They could shut down the servers and rinse their hands of it for all they care, and to give you the other cities and classes? PFFT!!!!  Says who!!

Mark Jacobs: We hope that we are able to release the missing content in a free update and not an expansion.

LOL HOPE?  Yes, lets just pay them for 12 months and hopefully if they feel in the right mood, they won't put it into an expansion.  Please, pretty please Mythic.  Rofl.

I am very disappointed with Warhammer Online after following it for several months after discovering it and waiting for a good MMO, but they ruined the game because they felt the need to rush it out.  If they added back in those classes and the capital cities and made them living.  I would be satisfied, but thats not going to happen.  I'm not paying them a dime.  Either release it finished or don't bother releasing it at all.  Good god haven't you corporations figured that out by now, that your success is extremely crippled when you release it early and unfinished?  Look at AOC, nothing but hype and pure boredom, who here uninstalled their game within the first day or so?  I walked from one instance to the next, wow, and the combat wasn't so "great" as they said it was, gotta love the hype machine.

This wasn't an attack on Warhammer Online, just MY OWN opinion and feelings on it and disappointment with it.  It is now a shadow of what it could have been to me honestly and another failed MMO that decided to take the easy road when it was so close to the finish line.  Not everyone is going to agree with me, its not my desire to do so, everyone is going to have critics and everyone is always going to have someone that disagrees, period.  You know where i stand, and have the right to argue against it and disagree all you want to, but i will not buy this game, and i will not pay a company my hard earned cash, month to month, for an unfinished, "could have been" game.  No i won't be like all of you in denial people, i will just work on things that are much more important in life and when it comes to games I'll just play console games or upcoming games on the PC like Spore, that looks fun. 

My hope is that the Warhammer Team gets a clue and delays the game yet again, if not, it'll be a sad game in my opinion .

Wow.. you really did spend all that time typing, I'm impress. I gave up half way through.

I could resume it by :

I always wonder why people think that complaining to a forums will make any change to a game

Originally posted by jzuska

1. What the hell. I am in beta. I play a tank. PVE and PVP.

2. Your zone is being invaded! ZOMG keep out the evils, i'm not grouping with someone that isnt my race! Jerk.

3. This goes along with 2. Why don't you make an all dwarf guild. just play the game. You'll get the rest of the classes the second they are done.

4. Jesus christ i'm done answering your questions. You are a RP nerd. Go back to DND books and LARPING. RP needs to die.

 

All your assumptions seem to be based on the Race V Race war. it's not and you need to do more reaserch. Also lay the game. It will make you less dumb. If that's possible.

You attack me and call me dumb yet you have reading comprehension problems.  Hmm.  I stated i am not a roleplayer, i was speaking about roleplayers.  I said that in the beginning people will be gimped without the essential class and they will have to rely on other races when they could have had their team fully ready to go right from the beginning.  They could always mix up later on during middle game and end game, this isn't about racism or anything but about the original plan of the battlefronts they proposed and it was way better.  They were ready to go and kick butt and not having to wait for someone from another land to complete them.  It was about balance but Mythic discarded that and wanted to have other tanks or melee dps make up for it because they don't want to work on the classes.

Check out the other thread he started.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/134368

It is a full page bash of LotRO. Wow, if he isn't a paid basher I will eat my CE.

Originally posted by SquidvsBear

JUVANTE-

Why do you persist in claiming that you refuse to support an "unfinished" game, when by your own admission "an MMO is never finished"? What are you doing here? You realize that this is an MMO site dont you? You realize that ALL the games you will find here are "unfinished"? Right?

The only thing that is in need of further development is your understanding of the game, the genre and logic.

There is a difference between an unfinished original vision for a game that drew people to the game and then a game that constantly changes and updates and has content added to it.  There is no guarantee they will add them in later except continue on course with the racial sides without their archetype.  Of course you could mix but it would have been better to have those 4 in the game right from the get go.

Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by jzuska

1. What the hell. I am in beta. I play a tank. PVE and PVP.

2. Your zone is being invaded! ZOMG keep out the evils, i'm not grouping with someone that isnt my race! Jerk.

3. This goes along with 2. Why don't you make an all dwarf guild. just play the game. You'll get the rest of the classes the second they are done.

4. Jesus christ i'm done answering your questions. You are a RP nerd. Go back to DND books and LARPING. RP needs to die.

 

All your assumptions seem to be based on the Race V Race war. it's not and you need to do more reaserch. Also lay the game. It will make you less dumb. If that's possible.

You attack me and call me dumb yet you have reading comprehension problems.  Hmm.  I stated i am not a roleplayer, i was speaking about roleplayers.  I said that in the beginning people will be gimped without the essential class and they will have to rely on other races when they could have had their team fully ready to go right from the beginning.  They could always mix up later on during middle game and end game, this isn't about racism or anything but about the original plan of the battlefronts they proposed and it was way better.  They were ready to go and kick butt and not having to wait for someone from another land to complete them.  It was about balance but Mythic discarded that and wanted to have other tanks or melee dps make up for it because they don't want to work on the classes.

Actualy... you're wrong there.. the ORIGINAL plan was for everyone to cooporate... RvR is REALM vs REALM... not RACE vs RACE... they stated that already... and this will help doing that...

Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by jzuska

1. What the hell. I am in beta. I play a tank. PVE and PVP.

2. Your zone is being invaded! ZOMG keep out the evils, i'm not grouping with someone that isnt my race! Jerk.

3. This goes along with 2. Why don't you make an all dwarf guild. just play the game. You'll get the rest of the classes the second they are done.

4. Jesus christ i'm done answering your questions. You are a RP nerd. Go back to DND books and LARPING. RP needs to die.

 

All your assumptions seem to be based on the Race V Race war. it's not and you need to do more reaserch. Also lay the game. It will make you less dumb. If that's possible.

You attack me and call me dumb yet you have reading comprehension problems.  Hmm.  I stated i am not a roleplayer, i was speaking about roleplayers.  I said that in the beginning people will be gimped without the essential class and they will have to rely on other races when they could have had their team fully ready to go right from the beginning.  They could always mix up later on during middle game and end game, this isn't about racism or anything but about the original plan of the battlefronts they proposed and it was way better.  They were ready to go and kick butt and not having to wait for someone from another land to complete them.  It was about balance but Mythic discarded that and wanted to have other tanks or melee dps make up for it because they don't want to work on the classes.

For the love of God and all that is holy...THEY ARE WORKING ON THE CLASSES AND CITIES! THEY WILL BE IN THE GAME...JUST NOT DIRECTLY AT RELEASE! What the FUCK don't you get about that. They are working on the classes and they have stated that there are whole teams working on both cities and classes. Don't you dare spread lies {mod edit}

shhh... easy cap... i'll bake you soem cookies ^^

Originally posted by PROdotes

shhh... easy cap... i'll bake you soem cookies ^^

No. I'm just simply not going to deal with this asshole any longer. NOT EVEN FOR COOKIES!

Originally posted by Capn23

Originally posted by PROdotes

shhh... easy cap... i'll bake you soem cookies ^^

 

No. I'm just simply not going to deal with this asshole any longer. NOT EVEN FOR COOKIES!

 

maybe brownies?

Originally posted by xenogias

Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by Tuck2000

Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by andeemann10

Juvante, people that post things like as you just posted are one of the main problems in this wonderful industry. Mythic made a decision, a decision I know was very difficult for them. This I know after having a relationship of numerous years with them. But they decided that they had three options. One, release this game with truly broken classes and cities, which would unbalance it truly and out of their control to fix it. Two, delay it again and have yet another deadline which they may not be able to meet with the quality standards they have. Or three, remove these issues and work on them on their own time to allow them to meet their standards. Which option sounds best to you? Once upon a time Mythic was working on a game called Imperator, which they canceled due to poor quality. This to me, is something to admire. However, when these posts pop up on the forums, it makes developers want to do one thing: not communicate with the costumers of the industry, us. It is unreasonable for people to be upset with Mythic about this. It's perfectly alright to be disappointed, I am as well, I was looking forward to the human tank class. But it would have been far worse if the game was released with below-par features, because that would have been unrepairable. This way, the game is at least functioning.

I have to disagree, i am the consumer, I refuse to pay for something unfinished.  You either do it right or not at all.  For you to say its unreasonable to get upset, you have incredibly low standards.  You will continue to support the industry and continue to encourage them to put out unfinished games because they know the player base will buy it and put up with a half made game for an entire year, thus giving them millions of dollars in the process.  And if the game declines, they can rinse their hands of it and walk away with profit.

When it comes to your options, i go with delay the game and according to their perfectionist standards, delay the game yet again.  I don't care, release the game right, or not at all.  I will not pay for a game that is not done.

 

 I've highlighted the one thing you said that is good for us. That means you won't be in game and we will all have a better gaming experience for it, and you won’t be around to flood chat.

 

If you are going to write a diatribe like this thread at least show your references instead of just spewing innuendo and trolling.

 

You assume a lot, i don't flood chat channels.  I don't harass people either, so i doubt i would ruin your gaming experience.  You probably won't have to worry about me being in the game though, so you're right about that.  If you want to pay for an unfinished game, go right on ahead, then you can wait for an entire year waiting for that content to come and then be told that they just don't feel like it.  Who knows, i guess you trust Mythic so much, you'd be willing to take that risk.

And who says its going to take a year? It may verry well but spouting random times for something you know NOTHING about is just as bad as saying its unfinished. If its unfinished at launch that would mean that features arent working or not in the game. Guess what, classes are in the game, some where cut. Living cities and RvR are in the game. Some cities where cut. Doesnt mean its not finished. The content IN the game will be finished at launch so thus, its a finished game at launch with old features to be added later, for free not in an expansion.
 

See it all depends on your definition of finished. Your entitled to yours by you are not entitled to tell someone else there opinion is wrong and in a way, you are.

If you even read what i said, i said you have your opinions and i have mine, i stated that people won't agree with me, thats true for everyone of you.  You will always have people who disagree with you, no matter what.

But your basically saying that your willing to pay for it and just "hope" and "trust" that they will add it in.  Thats what they want you to do.

Originally posted by PureChaos

Originally posted by Juvante

Originally posted by PROdotes

Let's beat the dead horse once again :o)

Juvante, i realy don't want to sound disrespectful now but it IS true they are cutting 4 classe and 4 cities, but i realy dont think it will change the gameplay in ANY way.

First of all, they will balance the 4 other races a bit differently so they can live without tanks for most of the time. It's not like you need a tank before level 10 or 15 anyway, and by the time you ARE 10-15 there will be other tanks in your zone to play with. As for loosing a dps class... it's a dps class... does it matter? no...

And as far as the cities go, even if they NEVER add them i'm happy with the way it works now. Like they said in the podcast, the city is basicly a tier5 where all the real did comes to a conclusion. If we had 3 times as many cities then maybe we would have city siege 3 times as often, but this way you REALY have to cooperate and take 2/3 castles so you can do a siege... and that in turn brings people together and makes them cooperate more often.

So here's 2 ideas on what you can do. You can wait for 1-2 more weeks till the NDA drops and then ask the beta players if it's realy that bad as you make it sound... or solution #2, you can wait till next year and then ask me "hey, you've been playing for 10 months now... did they add the content and is the game worse or better now? and did i miss anything in those 10 months?"

So... choose :o)

   Yea have fun running around and getting wiped from boss fights or other mobs.  Without a tank in early levels and pvp, no it probably won't make a huge difference but you will be the one getting spanked nonetheless for it.  Have fun getting spanked so much, that you have to goto PvE and grind mobs so that you can get out of the smaller tiers due to the fact that your side is getting owned.  And why?  You lack one of your ESSENTIAL classes, and if nobody from the other races wants to join you, oh well, toooo bad.  Or, lets wait 15 minutes for him to arrive, good thing he has a mount or it would take him 25 minutes or more!

As long as they have people like you playing their games, the industry will boon off of people with low standards and turning a blind eye to an unfinished product and still paying for it.  Instead of having a great and complete game, you would rather have a game thats unfinished and not done till 1 year, and THEN finally have the game that you could have had from the beginning.  Imagine if they released the game a year ago, how much of a disaster that would have been, this is the same situation only a lot less severe.  But still serious nonetheless.

it costs about 50 copper to get to another zone......................its fine.

STOP THINKING SIDE VS SIDE, ITS REALM VS REALM

It was still Realm vs Realm with the original plan but they narrowed it down and made it smaller.