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  Whiskeyjack1

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8/11/08 12:42:43 PM#261
Originally posted by cozt

I just read the news on the swedish gaming site www.fz.se. And I must say... at first I was like "what the hell is wrong with that GM". But after reading this I feel sorry for the GM.. seriously. Sure, I guess that kind of behaviour is unacceptable.. But I still feel sorry for him.

And about the guy that fooled the GM.. He must be very immature.


 

I guess you must feel bad for pedophiles when FBI agents pretend to be 12 yrs old girls on chat programs/forums. 

I am in customer service and this is just retarded. If someone initiate any flirting , I am smart enough to not continue and stay professional or i can lose my job. 

I don't feel bad for this guy. No decision was forced on him. When the player started to get sexual , he was not forced to do anything. He decided to cyber him/her . It's the GM fault a 110%. 

  d74046

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8/11/08 1:04:16 PM#262

Fudzilla lol

*Cookie powa*

  tr289

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Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

8/11/08 1:09:08 PM#263
Originally posted by Whiskeyjack1
Originally posted by cozt

I just read the news on the swedish gaming site www.fz.se. And I must say... at first I was like "what the hell is wrong with that GM". But after reading this I feel sorry for the GM.. seriously. Sure, I guess that kind of behaviour is unacceptable.. But I still feel sorry for him.

And about the guy that fooled the GM.. He must be very immature.


 

I guess you must feel bad for pedophiles when FBI agents pretend to be 12 yrs old girls on chat programs/forums. 


that's kinda different , it's a very unfair and extreme comparison .  pedophiles cought on the internet are intentionally seeking out children . thats not the case here . 

im not trying to defend the GM , but at the same time your statement is over the top . it's like comparing an axe murder with some one that lost control of their car and killed some one .  the end result ( some one is dead ) may be the same but how and why that person is dead are totally different .

 

  Draekos

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8/11/08 1:14:31 PM#264

I am an ex-GM for a major gaming company. As I still work with that company, but no longer in that position, I am unable to give out info on what the name of the company is or what the game was.  But, from my knowledge, let me just inform you all of a few things.

1. Most companies, gaming and otherwise, do *not* accept screenshots, fraps etc as "evidence".  These items can be faked, altered or be fully created to appear as something they are not.

2. Do you work for AoC or FunCom or Eidos or Paradox, or are any way associated with them professionally enough to have access to thier internal information of what Game Masters can and cannot do?

3. This is just a game.  Some companies view thier game as "just a game", and others view it as pure business.  Levels of seriousness have to be assigned to these games.  From what I have seen, the level of professionalism in AoC is very low, leading me to believe that they have a "just a game" approach.

4. Speculating over wether or not a Game Master should/would/could talk like this is irrelevant.  You should be asking yourself, is this REALLY a game master? 

- What if he was some guy that was accidentally flagged for a game master and joking with his buddy?

- What if he was a game master that was being fired anyways, and this was his last day on the job and decided to have "fun"?

- What if the screenshots are altered, the whole thing set up, or the fraps was altered/edited to appear this way?

5. Levels of "professionalism" are taken into account with the job you have, and what you do.  Will a customer support guy for the phone company cuss you out? Probably not.   But what about a bouncer of a club?  Sure, you are a potential customer, or paying customer, but I could totally see a bouncer coming up and throwing your butt out of the club.  Would you call him unprofessional if he was cussing at you or something else why he was doing it? No.. because his job isn't defined as a "professional" position.  Neither is a Game Masters, at least not until you know what the full extent of thier job was.

So what am I trying to say?  Well, to put simply, if you don't know what the internal ethical standards are for AoC's Game Masters, then you should just shut up.  And if you do? Well then most likely you wouldn't be posting on these forums with anything negative.

 

  User Deleted
8/11/08 1:34:03 PM#265

Whats the big deal, the player asked for it, game master accomodated, how is this wrong? I don't cyber myself, I have a wife and all, but I really don't see the big deal in some private tells to a GM. What I think lacks tact is your posting of this on a forum, wtf, have you no manners? Are you just trying to cause problems?

Seriously, why mistreat the GM's man?

Why does everyone want those they admire to fall so harshly.

  Svayvti

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Joined: 11/11/05
Posts: 160

8/11/08 1:50:48 PM#266

The suspicions I had of FUncom GMs was just confirmed.

This is far from the first time some have acted in an unprofessional manner, this is just the first time it was done at such a level and recorded as to make the news.

 

P.S.  It isn't Hyboria any more, it is "Cyb0ria" from now on.

  tr289

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Posts: 246

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

8/11/08 1:53:24 PM#267
Originally posted by pixeldogmeat

Whats the big deal, the player asked for it, game master accomodated, how is this wrong? I don't cyber myself, I have a wife and all, but I really don't see the big deal in some private tells to a GM. What I think lacks tact is your posting of this on a forum, wtf, have you no manners? Are you just trying to cause problems?

Seriously, why mistreat the GM's man?

Why does everyone want those they admire to fall so harshly.

if you don't see whats wrong with a GM doing this then it will be impossible to explain it to you .

 

 

  Nepentheia

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8/11/08 2:36:43 PM#268

And now for an addition to this hot-topic by GU Comics.

  LordRelic

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Joined: 10/11/04
Posts: 292

8/11/08 2:40:55 PM#269

Umm who cares what those Two do while there in game....... it seems they both didn't mind so what does it matter to you guys what they do.??

  Loke666

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8/11/08 2:43:14 PM#270

Oh, please.. Mature 18 games so who cares? Personally, I think FunCom should rent in some guys from Rockstart and Running with scissors to help them, AoC is quite wussy to have 18 years to me...

The GM seems to be joking anyways and the GMs are not employes, they just play for free, I know a fellow GMing. This much about a storm in a waterglass....*sigh*

  d74046

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Posts: 11

8/11/08 2:59:13 PM#271
Originally posted by Draekos

I am an ex-GM for a major gaming company.

So what am I trying to say?  Well, to put simply, if you don't know what the internal ethical standards are for AoC's Game Masters, then you should just shut up.  And if you do? Well then most likely you wouldn't be posting on these forums with anything negative.

 O'rly

*Cookie powa*

  User Deleted
8/11/08 3:07:05 PM#272
Originally posted by Loke666

Oh, please.. Mature 18 games so who cares? Personally, I think FunCom should rent in some guys from Rockstart and Running with scissors to help them, AoC is quite wussy to have 18 years to me...

The GM seems to be joking anyways and the GMs are not employes, they just play for free, I know a fellow GMing. This much about a storm in a waterglass....*sigh*


 

Unlike your friend who GMs for the latest Hello Kitty private server, GMs for all major pay to play titles, including AoC, are paid employees. And read the damn transcripts as well as look at the screenshots. That pervert wasn't "joking".

  User Deleted
8/11/08 3:10:24 PM#273
Originally posted by Draekos

I am an ex-GM ........blah,blah,blah

 

They fired the GM, so your unknowledgeable rant was just made even more irrelevant.
 

  User Deleted
8/11/08 3:16:06 PM#274
Originally posted by tr289
Originally posted by Whiskeyjack1
Originally posted by cozt

I just read the news on the swedish gaming site www.fz.se. And I must say... at first I was like "what the hell is wrong with that GM". But after reading this I feel sorry for the GM.. seriously. Sure, I guess that kind of behaviour is unacceptable.. But I still feel sorry for him.

And about the guy that fooled the GM.. He must be very immature.


 

I guess you must feel bad for pedophiles when FBI agents pretend to be 12 yrs old girls on chat programs/forums. 


that's kinda different , it's a very unfair and extreme comparison .  pedophiles cought on the internet are intentionally seeking out children . thats not the case here . 

im not trying to defend the GM , but at the same time your statement is over the top . it's like comparing an axe murder with some one that lost control of their car and killed some one .  the end result ( some one is dead ) may be the same but how and why that person is dead are totally different .

 

How do we know that? The GM seemed to be more concerned with the other player being a girl in RL than how old the player really was.
 

  Shaman64

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8/11/08 3:25:08 PM#275

epic fail by both parties.

best laugh i had all damn week.

 

  tr289

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Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

8/11/08 3:33:27 PM#276
Originally posted by Zorvan
Originally posted by tr289
Originally posted by Whiskeyjack1
Originally posted by cozt

I just read the news on the swedish gaming site www.fz.se. And I must say... at first I was like "what the hell is wrong with that GM". But after reading this I feel sorry for the GM.. seriously. Sure, I guess that kind of behaviour is unacceptable.. But I still feel sorry for him.

And about the guy that fooled the GM.. He must be very immature.


 

I guess you must feel bad for pedophiles when FBI agents pretend to be 12 yrs old girls on chat programs/forums. 


that's kinda different , it's a very unfair and extreme comparison .  pedophiles cought on the internet are intentionally seeking out children . thats not the case here . 

im not trying to defend the GM , but at the same time your statement is over the top . it's like comparing an axe murder with some one that lost control of their car and killed some one .  the end result ( some one is dead ) may be the same but how and why that person is dead are totally different .

 

How do we know that? The GM seemed to be more concerned with the other player being a girl in RL than how old the player really was.
 


hey i don't agree or am siding with the GM in any way !!!  i am just saying the guy i quoted used a comparison that was to extreme . it is what it is , a pervert GM getting caught with his pants down ... literally !



i don't condone what happened , i don't care if the GM started it or the player did . either way the GM was wrong for letting that situation escalate ( or in this case escalating it himself ) to that level .




  Distopia

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8/11/08 3:34:17 PM#277
Originally posted by Zorvan

that's kinda different , it's a very unfair and extreme comparison .  pedophiles cought on the internet are intentionally seeking out children . thats not the case here . 

im not trying to defend the GM , but at the same time your statement is over the top . it's like comparing an axe murder with some one that lost control of their car and killed some one .  the end result ( some one is dead ) may be the same but how and why that person is dead are totally different .

 

How do we know that? The GM seemed to be more concerned with the other player being a girl in RL than how old the player really was.
 

Considering it's a mature rated MMO , It isn't outlandish to think those you're playing with are adults.Trying to label the GM as a pedophile is a little over the top , There's absolutely no evidence to back up such a claim or thought.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  Umbral

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8/11/08 3:35:01 PM#278
Originally posted by Zorvan

How do we know that? The GM seemed to be more concerned with the other player being a girl in RL than how old the player really was.
 


 

Because everyone in this game should be 18+?

This GM was not professional and very naive, but it is pathetic to use moralism to judge this situation.

If you want to see the GM as an imoral person, the player who manilupated this situation is even worse.

It is pretty silly see such a social, common and stupid situation became so expressive among people, it is easy to realise why tabloids sell so much.

There are people here saying people who flirt go to jail and people seeing this GM as a potential pedophile predator, but almost no one realise how low was the player who created this situation.

Hypocrisy and false moralism.

 

...

  Distopia

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8/11/08 3:51:05 PM#279
Originally posted by Umbral
Originally posted by Zorvan

How do we know that? The GM seemed to be more concerned with the other player being a girl in RL than how old the player really was.
 


 

Because everyone in this game should be 18+?

This GM was not professional and very naive, but it is pathetic to use moralism to judge this situation.

If you want to see the GM as an imoral person, the player who manilupated this situation is even worse.

It is pretty silly see such a social, common and stupid situation became so expressive among people, it is easy to realise why tabloids sell so much.

There are people here saying people who flirt go to jail and people seeing this GM as a potential pedophile predator, but almost no one realise how low was the player who created this situation.

Hypocrisy and false moralism.

 

...

You're not the only person who feels that way , The player was just as guilty IMO . If not more so considering the spectacle he created here ,by  their own admission they only did it for kicks and giggles. Which says to me they were only trying to fuel the fire already burning under the AOC launch .Of course offering more ammunition for the "Failcom club" as well, Which as you can see has been used as intended.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  Keeper2000

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8/11/08 4:20:18 PM#280
Originally posted by Umbral
Originally posted by Zorvan

How do we know that? The GM seemed to be more concerned with the other player being a girl in RL than how old the player really was.
 


 

Because everyone in this game should be 18+?

This GM was not professional and very naive, but it is pathetic to use moralism to judge this situation.

If you want to see the GM as an imoral person, the player who manilupated this situation is even worse.

It is pretty silly see such a social, common and stupid situation became so expressive among people, it is easy to realise why tabloids sell so much.

There are people here saying people who flirt go to jail and people seeing this GM as a potential pedophile predator, but almost no one realise how low was the player who created this situation.

Hypocrisy and false moralism.

 

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Correct me, if I am wrong.  I think professional is a person that is paid for his work.  Maybe english differ from spanish.

But webster seems to define it as thought: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/professional

So, unless you are saying the GM was contracted by Funcom to provide cybersex, he was not doing his job while using the tools provided by his employeer (the GM account).  So hes was unprofessional.  This has nothing to do with moral.

Now, about the age thing.  No idea how is it in your country but in mine you cant say that you thought the other person was an adult just because the place where you meet her/him was a mature place.  If you meet a underage woman in a mature only bar (because she was lying) and you have sex with her, you will have to go to jail.  Telling the judge you assume the girl was an adult becasue she was in a place that only mature people can be will only make him laugh.

In the online world, the juridisprudence (or whatever the word is) in my country says you MUST ask the other person the age or at least if the other person in an adult.  And the other person MUST answer, if you want to do anything.

All these have nothing to do with moral or ethics.

I wont judge all this in ethics becasue I dont know enough to even start.  But for my moral, the GM should had been working instead of trying to have cybersex and, so, he did something wrong.  And if he wanst in his working time, he should not use the GM account (which is a tool provided by the employeer).

Of course, funcom may had contract him to have cybersex... who knows?

Now, calling this GM a pedophile is a bit too much.  Or does anyone has proves of this?

 

 

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