Yeah Its from June 26, been playing for a month now and having a blast! I really recommend this game to everyone....also the lack of players...uh there isn't lack of players... I mean you do a /who 18 all and you will find around 30 players lvl 18! the problem...which is also a big sell point for VG is the game world is TOOOOO BIG and there is content for a lvl 18 everywhere, its not linear, you can do anything so the lvl 18s are all over this content. I think people need to use the Looking for Group more 

AHH and the dungeons....are amazing!

Originally posted by Josters

Yeah Its from June 26, been playing for a month now and having a blast! I really recommend this game to everyone....also the lack of players...uh there isn't lack of players... I mean you do a /who 18 all and you will find around 30 players lvl 18! the problem...which is also a big sell point for VG is the game world is TOOOOO BIG and there is content for a lvl 18 everywhere, its not linear, you can do anything so the lvl 18s are all over this content. I think people need to use the Looking for Group more 

AHH and the dungeons....are amazing!

Does it still have only 4 servers?

Yes, I play on Seradon.

Gotta have in mind their game world is HUGE so it's capable of holding more than 2000 players in a server, I say around 5000.

So yep there are ALWAYS lot of people playing, just do a who "your level" all

even at lvl 1 which last only 1 second there is ALWAYS atleast 5 people.

Do not bother with this game. The graphics aer still stiff and bug ridden. quests are dull and the world is flat (meaning nothing grabs you and holds on).

there is nothing improved enough to play this game. It is still as pointless as ever

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Originally posted by Airspell
  Still many bugs, not alot of players, no real free trial (newbie island trial is a joke,and not in yet) , gigantic grind !!! Best game ever material for sure.  Fanboi more, people.

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It's really not that much of a grind anymore. Maybe just a little slower exp than WoW.. Maybe.

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Originally posted by transitbus
Do not bother with this game. The graphics aer still stiff and bug ridden. quests are dull and the world is flat (meaning nothing grabs you and holds on).
there is nothing improved enough to play this game. It is still as pointless as ever

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Troll much? obviously haven't ever played this game.

 This announcement came out a while ago. Trust me, just because you are hearing about it now does not mean that it is "late."

 Beau

Originally posted by RedwoodSap

The marketing ploy of releasing this information late is obvious. The game is still crap and has been dummied down by SOE but 6 days playtime won't be enough time to truly get your feet wet so they are hoping to sucker people for a one month subscription until they realize that the game is still unplayable.

I take it you've played the game for more than 5 minutes? If so you're completely entitled to your opinion, otherwise not.

shame soe only let mmorpg know about it when the free months about to end .... i proberly would have given it a try and maybe would ve got back into it .still thier loss .

 It's always funny when someone posts something that they want us to believe they know as fact, when it is glaringly wrong.

 In fact, not only do I have the original emails, community announcements, but also the interviews with the dev's done on my show that told me about this, the shows that I announce on here every week.

 Heck, here's one of the original posts by Ellyra, announcing it.

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=34290

 This just goes to show you that most posts in most forums (ESPECIALLY on these forums, which are almost nothing but ranting and raving) that contain "facts" are the result of what some "heard" from someone else in some other post, or what the poster claims as "fact."

 The only fact is, unless you are involved within a community, meaning that you ACTUALLY play the game, then you will miss so many announcements, updates and improvements.

 My feeling is that some people tried Vanguard once 8 months ago, or won't try it because SOE is connected with it. Which is at best, juvenile.

 Oh well, the game is great, the community is great, and the team making it is great! See you at Fan Faire!

 Beau

sounds like you need a better pc as on mine it looks great

 Googa: please man, don't think that because SOE and MMORPG are reminding players about the last few days in their special that somehow they forgot to tell players.

 To you players thinking that: do you REALLY believe that SOE sat on this and hid it, just so that they could tell you last minute, to "rip you off?"

 Just search on THIS website and you'll see the original announcement.

 Just check the VG players site, you'll see the original announcement.

 Just try to not be sooooooo empty headed.

 Beau

Quite honestly I left AoC to go to Vanguard why..

Vanguard is 20-30 times the size easily. It has 5 or more dungeons at ANY given level range over 5.

The "zoning" lasts a couple of seconds on the lowest end pcs that can really play it, and is near instant on high end rigs now.

Quests can range from run over to this person, to a multi-week journey across half of the game with very little camp time anywhere along the way.

Crafting is among the best I've seen. Diplomacy is a nice side game (some play it as I do the adventuring portion).

Raiding is fun, engaging, and has tons of promise.  Classes each have a roll and a need, there are a few balance issues, but nothing compared to most mmo's.

After the completly shitty launch and the straight out lies from McQuack. Sony really has turned this into the gem that it promised to be two years ago. There really is no way to explain how far above the rest of the MMOs including WoW, EQ2, and EQ it is at the moment. VG you can log on for an hour and get something done, or log on for twelve hours straight for months and never run out of things to. It truely is deserving of the word massive. It is truly beautiful.

My only current complaint is the amount of END END game content. Right now there is about three months of lvl 50 hardcore raiding five days a week content. However this is about to expand in august. Then expand again every couple of months for the forseeable future.

McQuack promised a lot and never delivered, the current team however is rapidly delivering on all of his failed promises. Brad is an excellent idea person, but should never ever be allowed to manage ANYTHING ever again.

What I find interesting is that people are moaning over the fact that they didn't know about it, yet don't stop to think logically for a second. Say that SOE did deliberately not send it to this site. It's ONE website! There are many others out there that had this information ages ago.

Relying on website for all your information is rather...juvenile. This is a great site but (like everything) it isn't perfect. There are bound to be news articles on other websites that aren't on here and vice versa. The point is that I really don't think that you guys are as important as you're making yourselves out to be. I doubt SOE will have *special* rules just for you guys so as to make more money (there really isn't that many of you anyway).

Originally posted by beauturkey

 Googa: please man, don't think that because SOE and MMORPG are reminding players about the last few days in their special that somehow they forgot to tell players.

 To you players thinking that: do you REALLY believe that SOE sat on this and hid it, just so that they could tell you last minute, to "rip you off?"

 Just search on THIS website and you'll see the original announcement.

 Just check the VG players site, you'll see the original announcement.

 Just try to not be sooooooo empty headed.

 Beau

 

 

lol beau anyone ever told you that you have a tendancy to read things into posts that arnt there . i never said anyone was trying to rip me off . your also incorrect about there being an announcement in the news section . i ve just looked at the storys and if theres something there it must be pretty well hidden . if it was in a forum or hidden away in some artical its a shame it was better reported because some of us with a life only tend to skim the news briefly . nothing empty headed about that it just means we have better things to do to occupy our brains .

my point is if soe did nt inform such a widly used site like mmorpg.com untill the offer was almost up they missed an opertunity in maybe getting some people interested in the game again . of course it may be nothing to do with soe . it maybe just the way mmorpg decided to report it ( although i doubt it they are normally pretty good at this kind of thing ). if the news was hidden away in a forum somewhere again its a shame because obviously lots of people would nt have gotten the news till now .

whatever way you look at it , it is vanguards loss . i doubt anyone would return to this game without something like a free month on offer . if it has improved that much its a pity the news did nt reach more people in time .

Originally posted by Gorrex

Quite honestly I left AoC to go to Vanguard why..

Vanguard is 20-30 times the size easily. It has 5 or more dungeons at ANY given level range over 5.

The "zoning" lasts a couple of seconds on the lowest end pcs that can really play it, and is near instant on high end rigs now.

Quests can range from run over to this person, to a multi-week journey across half of the game with very little camp time anywhere along the way.

Crafting is among the best I've seen. Diplomacy is a nice side game (some play it as I do the adventuring portion).

Raiding is fun, engaging, and has tons of promise.  Classes each have a roll and a need, there are a few balance issues, but nothing compared to most mmo's.

After the completly shitty launch and the straight out lies from McQuack. Sony really has turned this into the gem that it promised to be two years ago. There really is no way to explain how far above the rest of the MMOs including WoW, EQ2, and EQ it is at the moment. VG you can log on for an hour and get something done, or log on for twelve hours straight for months and never run out of things to. It truely is deserving of the word massive. It is truly beautiful.

My only current complaint is the amount of END END game content. Right now there is about three months of lvl 50 hardcore raiding five days a week content. However this is about to expand in august. Then expand again every couple of months for the forseeable future.

 

McQuack promised a lot and never delivered, the current team however is rapidly delivering on all of his failed promises. Brad is an excellent idea person, but should never ever be allowed to manage ANYTHING ever again.

Tbh, I feel the opposite to you.  But its all relative.  I've played VG since Beta and left last February.  I then started playing AOC and felt that that game was more polished and was being handled far better than the VG team can handle their game. 

Firstly, I left after realising the empty words of the Producer of VG at the time had made (no, not McQuaid but the guy who's also the Producer of another SOE game) .  There was an uproar in December when there was talk about the Isle Of Dawn and how that flies in the face of what they were trying to accomplish with the game.  The producer said that they would re-evaluate the idea and come back to the community and talk further.  January came and the playerbase soon realised that NOTHING had been discussed, they were going ahead regardless. Don't get me wrong, THEY are the devs and its THEIR game to do with who they please.  But devs cannot ask for feedback and then blatantly ignore it when they get it.   That's just trying to pacify the playerbase and not actually do anything.

Which is something that FC aren't doing.  FC brought in a new community team to "patch" up the communication holes in the forums.  This new team also collate all the players suggestions (the list is about 1 1/2 pages long on the forums at the moment).  And in fact, some of these suggestions are actually being implemented 2 patches after the list was first created.  Now THAT is listening to feedback from your playerbase!  Yes the FC team have had to make their own decisions on how the game should develop without consulting the playerbase in the past, but at least FC realised very quickly how not listening to the playerbase can cost them dearly.   Yes, FC has its share of issues, it ain't perfect.

Secondly, I left the game because not enough was being done to get the game back on track.  Don't get me wrong, I fully appreciate that only so much can be done in any amount of time.  And for that reason I don't solely blame the VG team.  I also blame SOE for its' refusal to expand the team or provide extra resources in order to cope with the mammoth task of getting that game back on track. 

However, I do applaud the VG team for a number of reasons:  The diplomacy "sphere" was innovative, but under developed.  The crafting "sphere" is involving but repetitive after a time.  Well done to them for (finally) getting permanent flying mounts and the respective quests in place.  However, that alone won't bring people back in droves.  Especially those who have already gotten to maximum level.  Raiding is a step forward, but from what I experienced, its pretty mediocre and lacks lustre, especially regards to performance when theres all the other Raid groups in there with you.

With regards to relative size of the landmasses; Considering the sheer size of the zones in AOC, I'd say that AOC actually has MORE playable and complete landmass than VG has.  Its just that in VG you can see a lot of the "zones" from certain vantage points in the game.  But, just because you can see it, doesn't mean to say that theres equally the same amount that you can't see.

Incidentally, many of the current team are the very same people who worked for Sigil and Brad McQuaid, this is why I don't call them the SOE team, even though they work for SOE. 

Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by beauturkey

 Googa: please man, don't think that because SOE and MMORPG are reminding players about the last few days in their special that somehow they forgot to tell players.

 To you players thinking that: do you REALLY believe that SOE sat on this and hid it, just so that they could tell you last minute, to "rip you off?"

 Just search on THIS website and you'll see the original announcement.

 Just check the VG players site, you'll see the original announcement.

 Just try to not be sooooooo empty headed.

 Beau

 

 

lol beau anyone ever told you that you have a tendancy to read things into posts that arnt there . i never said anyone was trying to rip me off . your also incorrect about there being an announcement in the news section . i ve just looked at the storys and if theres something there it must be pretty well hidden . if it was in a forum or hidden away in some artical its a shame it was better reported because some of us with a life only tend to skim the news briefly . nothing empty headed about that it just means we have better things to do to occupy our brains .

my point is if soe did nt inform such a widly used site like mmorpg.com untill the offer was almost up they missed an opertunity in maybe getting some people interested in the game again . of course it may be nothing to do with soe . it maybe just the way mmorpg decided to report it ( although i doubt it they are normally pretty good at this kind of thing ). if the news was hidden away in a forum somewhere again its a shame because obviously lots of people would nt have gotten the news till now .

whatever way you look at it , it is vanguards loss . i doubt anyone would return to this game without something like a free month on offer . if it has improved that much its a pity the news did nt reach more people in time .

 Oh my god, man.

 Of course, the one article I DID find is not spelling it out, but click on the link.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/147/view/news/read/10843

 Understand that not only that, but there were plenty of players like myself talking about it. Also, being that the announcement for free time only touched on RETURNING players, meaning that you had an account before, then you recieved an EMAIL containing this information.

 And of course, there was the updates on the website.

 And on the official forums.

 And in the official SOE podcast.

 And on the official SOE boards.

 And on some other gaming sites that have "chapters" for different games.

 I hope you get the point here. If you were ever interested in this game, and HAD PLAYED it, you would have known. But trust me, don't rely on this site for all your gaming news needs. Save for the occasional review, they do not pursue news from sites, they simply are an active forum community inside of a group of news feeds. I mean, it's fine for what it is...but don't rely on it.

 And see, this is how the amazing internet works...the place that you can check on facts within minutes, and have rumors investigated: like a church on a Sunday morning.  Gossip is still used by many to "get their news." I have actually talked to the makers of the game several times, and trust me, people are returning, have returned thanks to this offer, and were returning before.

 Of course, you wouldn't know that. Not only are you skimming the news, but you are skimming the news on a site like MMORPG.com! :)

 Oh well, now you know.

 Man, this place makes me so grumpy! lol

 Beau

Originally posted by googajoob7

shame soe only let mmorpg know about it when the free months about to end .... i proberly would have given it a try and maybe would ve got back into it .still thier loss .

It actually speaks more about mmorpg.com than SOE. What a newsreporting site, huh?

Sorry for breaking the news for you. But this have been discussed in the VG forums here, it have been announced every week day at vgplayers.com. And if you have not opt-out from email from SOE you would have got it that way aswell.

But in the end there is actually no possible way a site like this could have missed it as I assume (and think) that the staff behind and the purpose of mmorpg.com is to be a serious site.

Or, wait,

-Hey guys you saw tha SOE makes a big campaign and letting people play EQ and EQ2 for free.

-Yeah, look at this they will let people play Vanguard for free 30 days aswell.

(After shedding some tears and throwing a fit.) Why, they didn't tell us. *sob* Meh, we are not going to write about it. *whine*

Originally posted by beauturkey

Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by beauturkey

 Googa: please man, don't think that because SOE and MMORPG are reminding players about the last few days in their special that somehow they forgot to tell players.

 To you players thinking that: do you REALLY believe that SOE sat on this and hid it, just so that they could tell you last minute, to "rip you off?"

 Just search on THIS website and you'll see the original announcement.

 Just check the VG players site, you'll see the original announcement.

 Just try to not be sooooooo empty headed.

 Beau

 

 

lol beau anyone ever told you that you have a tendancy to read things into posts that arnt there . i never said anyone was trying to rip me off . your also incorrect about there being an announcement in the news section . i ve just looked at the storys and if theres something there it must be pretty well hidden . if it was in a forum or hidden away in some artical its a shame it was better reported because some of us with a life only tend to skim the news briefly . nothing empty headed about that it just means we have better things to do to occupy our brains .

my point is if soe did nt inform such a widly used site like mmorpg.com untill the offer was almost up they missed an opertunity in maybe getting some people interested in the game again . of course it may be nothing to do with soe . it maybe just the way mmorpg decided to report it ( although i doubt it they are normally pretty good at this kind of thing ). if the news was hidden away in a forum somewhere again its a shame because obviously lots of people would nt have gotten the news till now .

whatever way you look at it , it is vanguards loss . i doubt anyone would return to this game without something like a free month on offer . if it has improved that much its a pity the news did nt reach more people in time .

 

 Oh my god, man.

 Of course, the one article I DID find is not spelling it out, but click on the link.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/147/view/news/read/10843

 Understand that not only that, but there were plenty of players like myself talking about it. Also, being that the announcement for free time only touched on RETURNING players, meaning that you had an account before, then you recieved an EMAIL containing this information.

 And of course, there was the updates on the website.

 And on the official forums.

 And in the official SOE podcast.

 And on the official SOE boards.

 And on some other gaming sites that have "chapters" for different games.

 I hope you get the point here. If you were ever interested in this game, and HAD PLAYED it, you would have known. But trust me, don't rely on this site for all your gaming news needs. Save for the occasional review, they do not pursue news from sites, they simply are an active forum community inside of a group of news feeds. I mean, it's fine for what it is...but don't rely on it.

 And see, this is how the amazing internet works...the place that you can check on facts within minutes, and have rumors investigated: like a church on a Sunday morning.  Gossip is still used by many to "get their news." I have actually talked to the makers of the game several times, and trust me, people are returning, have returned thanks to this offer, and were returning before.

 Of course, you wouldn't know that. Not only are you skimming the news, but you are skimming the news on a site like MMORPG.com! :)

 Oh well, now you know.

 Man, this place makes me so grumpy! lol

 Beau

 

 

lol dont know why your so grumpy m8 all i made is a valid point ... i did nt troll the game , i even said the blame may lie with mmorpg.com in not reporting it untill now . of course i skim the news on here . now and then i ll look into the forums but not so as to search for information on the game . it would ve been nice to give it a go and see what its like now but it does nt seriously bother me one way or the other . i ve got final fantasy for a couple of quid so i m trying that at the moment .... from some of the comments in this thread it does nt seam i m the only one that did nt hear about it . do you seriously think if mmorpg.com report something like this a  month too late that  people arnt going to make a comment about it weather they want to play the game or not ?

of course they are . so stop getting in a stew about it and get a life . if you ve got so much time to look through all these forums for freebies you really need to get out in the real world a bit more :)

you never know you my be a bit less grumpy

Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by beauturkey

Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by beauturkey

 Googa: please man, don't think that because SOE and MMORPG are reminding players about the last few days in their special that somehow they forgot to tell players.

 To you players thinking that: do you REALLY believe that SOE sat on this and hid it, just so that they could tell you last minute, to "rip you off?"

 Just search on THIS website and you'll see the original announcement.

 Just check the VG players site, you'll see the original announcement.

 Just try to not be sooooooo empty headed.

 Beau

 

 

lol beau anyone ever told you that you have a tendancy to read things into posts that arnt there . i never said anyone was trying to rip me off . your also incorrect about there being an announcement in the news section . i ve just looked at the storys and if theres something there it must be pretty well hidden . if it was in a forum or hidden away in some artical its a shame it was better reported because some of us with a life only tend to skim the news briefly . nothing empty headed about that it just means we have better things to do to occupy our brains .

my point is if soe did nt inform such a widly used site like mmorpg.com untill the offer was almost up they missed an opertunity in maybe getting some people interested in the game again . of course it may be nothing to do with soe . it maybe just the way mmorpg decided to report it ( although i doubt it they are normally pretty good at this kind of thing ). if the news was hidden away in a forum somewhere again its a shame because obviously lots of people would nt have gotten the news till now .

whatever way you look at it , it is vanguards loss . i doubt anyone would return to this game without something like a free month on offer . if it has improved that much its a pity the news did nt reach more people in time .

 

 Oh my god, man.

 Of course, the one article I DID find is not spelling it out, but click on the link.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/147/view/news/read/10843

 Understand that not only that, but there were plenty of players like myself talking about it. Also, being that the announcement for free time only touched on RETURNING players, meaning that you had an account before, then you recieved an EMAIL containing this information.

 And of course, there was the updates on the website.

 And on the official forums.

 And in the official SOE podcast.

 And on the official SOE boards.

 And on some other gaming sites that have "chapters" for different games.

 I hope you get the point here. If you were ever interested in this game, and HAD PLAYED it, you would have known. But trust me, don't rely on this site for all your gaming news needs. Save for the occasional review, they do not pursue news from sites, they simply are an active forum community inside of a group of news feeds. I mean, it's fine for what it is...but don't rely on it.

 And see, this is how the amazing internet works...the place that you can check on facts within minutes, and have rumors investigated: like a church on a Sunday morning.  Gossip is still used by many to "get their news." I have actually talked to the makers of the game several times, and trust me, people are returning, have returned thanks to this offer, and were returning before.

 Of course, you wouldn't know that. Not only are you skimming the news, but you are skimming the news on a site like MMORPG.com! :)

 Oh well, now you know.

 Man, this place makes me so grumpy! lol

 Beau

 

 

 

lol dont know why your so grumpy m8 all i made is a valid point ... i did nt troll the game , i even said the blame may lie with mmorpg.com in not reporting it untill now . of course i skim the news on here . now and then i ll look into the forums but not so as to search for information on the game . it would ve been nice to give it a go and see what its like now but it does nt seriously bother me one way or the other . i ve got final fantasy for a couple of quid so i m trying that at the moment .... from some of the comments in this thread it does nt seam i m the only one that did nt hear about it . do you seriously think if mmorpg.com report something like this a  month too late that  people arnt going to make a comment about it weather they want to play the game or not ?

of course they are . so stop getting in a stew about it and get a life . if you ve got so much time to look through all these forums for freebies you really need to get out in the real world a bit more :)

you never know you my be a bit less grumpy

"of course they are . so stop getting in a stew about it and get a life . if you ve got so much time to look through all these forums for freebies you really need to get out in the real world a bit more :)"

Your asking for an argument, should of just left it