The company cuts content to the bone, AND changes it's name and structure

4 Classes are going on "hold" indefinately, which if that is anything like a beta invite, it could be years.

Capitol cities are cut...

Balance is out the window....  now no one will want to be any race but chaos, since they get a capitol city AND all of their classes

Promises of beta contests and giveaways have all been BS, with no winners named or end in sight.

Pre-orders nation-wide are being mis-handled and people are not getting their codes, and never will due to misunderstandings with the distributors.

Is this game in a complete meltdown?  I really don't know how they will release a balanced and functional game with so many necessary classes missing.  Ebay is selling preorders for a ton from people who were scammed by bestbuy or gamestop... all of this slop makes me think the launch will be a disaster!!  Reminds me of Vanguard.

Nah, the only thing headed for meltdown are the idiot doom and gloom protestors who like to cry about the sky falling anytime something does not fit their personal agenda.  I am quite happy to have them in meltdown though.  Perhaps it will be severe enough they will be locked away in private facilities that cater to their more... special needs, and leave the game to those who will enjoy it.  :)

Originally posted by smitty0356

The company cuts content to the bone, AND changes it's name and structure

The bone? They removed hardly anything, there are still 20/24 classes.

4 Classes are going on "hold" indefinately, which if that is anything like a beta invite, it could be years.

The classes were removed to provide balance, and better game play!

Capitol cities are cut...

There are still Capital, just not as many. And again, this is improve game play.

Balance is out the window....  now no one will want to be any race but chaos, since they get a capitol city AND all of their classes

I dont know what your smoking, but I want some. Chaos lost 2 classes, and 2 capitals. Order lost 2 classes, and 2 capitals. Theyre equal.

Promises of beta contests and giveaways have all been BS, with no winners named or end in sight.

My buddy won one last month. The guild beta let hundreds in this week. Open beta should be next month or so.

Pre-orders nation-wide are being mis-handled and people are not getting their codes, and never will due to misunderstandings with the distributors.

Mythic isnt in charge of distribution. This is a problem with places like Gamestop and Best Buy

Is this game in a complete meltdown?  I really don't know how they will release a balanced and functional game with so many necessary classes missing.  Ebay is selling preorders for a ton from people who were scammed by bestbuy or gamestop... all of this slop makes me think the launch will be a disaster!!  Reminds me of Vanguard.

 

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said chaos not destruction.  Now no one will want to be empire, since they have no tank.  Chaos is the ONLY faction with a TANK and a CITY.

As if people needed a bigger reason to play chaos.  They already looked the coolest, and had some of the best classes!

"The classes were removed to provide balance, and better game play!"

The statement above shows how absurd content removal is better...  It would be like saying that McDonalds removed some menu items to make your meal better...  I don't see how that makes sense.  I don't see how not having a tank in your faction is at all a good idea.  This is clearly not a decision they wanted to make, and I think it is showing a major chink in their armor.

From what I understand, the 4 capitol cities are not cut from the game, you just won't be able to RvR there.  Also, I don't see how "so many necessary classes" are missing.  It's only 4 out of 24, and you can still play with people of other races that fulfill the same roll.  I am upset over the news, but I will still play the game to see how it turns out.  I remember reading that people would not be able to reach the point of taking over capitols for a few months, anyway. 

If people are selling their CEs on ebay, that's on them.  They knew what they were getting into when preordering a game in the first place.  I preordered mine knowing I might not like the game, or content might be cut.

If WAR fails there is always Aion. 

Originally posted by smitty0356

said chaos not destruction.  Now no one will want to be empire, since they have no tank.  Chaos is the ONLY faction with a TANK and a CITY.

As if people needed a bigger reason to play chaos.  They already looked the coolest, and had some of the best classes!

Order has both IRONBREAKER (Probably best tank in game) AND Sword Master, another tank.

They also have ALTDORF. The Order capital city.

Originally posted by smitty0356

said chaos not destruction.  Now no one will want to be empire, since they have no tank.  Chaos is the ONLY faction with a TANK and a CITY.

As if people needed a bigger reason to play chaos.  They already looked the coolest, and had some of the best classes!

No one wanting to go for Empire because they have no tank?  . . .  I'd ask how stupid someone'd have to be to make remarks like that but then I remember... The internet is full of stupid people.

Drama much?  Where to start?

1) They cut 4 of 24 classes.  1 tank and 1 melee dps from each side.  You can move to other realms easily and early.  You can group with anyone on your side, so if you need a tank or melee dps, you still have 2 classes to choose from for each side.  Do you really think guilds aren't going to play together?

2) They cut 4 of 6 capital cities.  You only need 2 for the RvR stuff to work.  It sucks, yes, but let's not act like it's broken the whole game.

3) How is balance out the window?  Each side has the same archetypes available to them.  You have to dominate two realms to unlock the capital seige.  One sure way to get your poll classified as a rant is to state what everyone is going to do.  Are you psychic?  Do you really think all those people who want to play the non-cut classes are now going to switch to Chaos just because their capital city has been delayed?

4) Which beta contest are you talking about?  I know they stated recently they are going to name and invite one of the contest's winners in the following few weeks.

5) Pre-orders from where?  I used Amazon and had no problems, nor have I heard of any with Amazon.

Originally posted by bleyzwun

From what I understand, the 4 capitol cities are not cut from the game, you just won't be able to RvR there.  Also, I don't see how "so many necessary classes" are missing.  It's only 4 out of 24, and you can still play with people of other races that fulfill the same roll.  I am upset over the news, but I will still play the game to see how it turns out.  I remember reading that people would not be able to reach the point of taking over capitols for a few months, anyway. 

If people are selling their CEs on ebay, that's on them.  They knew what they were getting into when preordering a game in the first place.  I preordered mine knowing I might not like the game, or content might be cut.

If WAR fails there is always Aion. 

No, the "Cities are in but no siege" news has been officially denied by Mbj. No cities at launch but the 2 we already know.

Originally posted by smitty0356

Pre-orders nation-wide are being mis-handled and people are not getting their codes, and never will due to misunderstandings with the distributors.

Is this game in a complete meltdown?  I really don't know how they will release a balanced and functional game with so many necessary classes missing.  Ebay is selling preorders for a ton from people who were scammed by bestbuy or gamestop... all of this slop makes me think the launch will be a disaster!!  Reminds me of Vanguard.

 

Originally posted by smitty0356

said chaos not destruction.  Now no one will want to be empire, since they have no tank.  Chaos is the ONLY faction with a TANK and a CITY.

As if people needed a bigger reason to play chaos.  They already looked the coolest, and had some of the best classes!

"The classes were removed to provide balance, and better game play!"

The statement above shows how absurd content removal is better...  It would be like saying that McDonalds removed some menu items to make your meal better...  I don't see how that makes sense.  I don't see how not having a tank in your faction is at all a good idea.  This is clearly not a decision they wanted to make, and I think it is showing a major chink in their armor.

 

ummm Choppa = Melee DPS (Destruction), Black Guard = Tank (Destruction), Hammerer = Melee DPS (Order), Knight of the Blazing Sun = Tank (Order).  That's one melee DPS from each side, and one tank from each side.  The only tanks are Chaos?  Where did you get your information?  Also there is still Altdorf the Human capitol, along with Inevitable City the Chaos capitol.  I'm not trying to be a dick about this, but get your facts straight before you flip out.

I'm beta testing the game and have been for quite some time... because I like to beta test.

I never planned on buying the game but I don't see those things as related. 

Anyway... so this news really didn't disturb me.  I just continue to login and give feedback and report things I find.

However, I have a few friends that did want to play the game but say they won't now..

Because THE thing they wanted to play is not going to be in the game at launch.

I don't really see the announcement as drama related (yes I've made sarcastic posts about it).  They are cutting things to get the box out the door by a hard date they have been given.  No I did NOT read that on a NDA proteced board.  From experience when things start to be cut.. they have a time line.. and need to hit the date.  The easiest way to do this.. is to cut content until post launch (so its an assumption yes).

Anyway for people that wanted to play ONE thing.. then yes obviously its going to bother them if its not in the game now.

Originally posted by Volkmar

Originally posted by bleyzwun

From what I understand, the 4 capitol cities are not cut from the game, you just won't be able to RvR there.  Also, I don't see how "so many necessary classes" are missing.  It's only 4 out of 24, and you can still play with people of other races that fulfill the same roll.  I am upset over the news, but I will still play the game to see how it turns out.  I remember reading that people would not be able to reach the point of taking over capitols for a few months, anyway. 

If people are selling their CEs on ebay, that's on them.  They knew what they were getting into when preordering a game in the first place.  I preordered mine knowing I might not like the game, or content might be cut.

If WAR fails there is always Aion. 

 

No, the "Cities are in but no siege" news has been officially denied by Mbj. No cities at launch but the 2 we already know.

Damn that's too bad.  Still doesn't bother me much.

Originally posted by Volkmar

Originally posted by bleyzwun

From what I understand, the 4 capitol cities are not cut from the game, you just won't be able to RvR there.  Also, I don't see how "so many necessary classes" are missing.  It's only 4 out of 24, and you can still play with people of other races that fulfill the same roll.  I am upset over the news, but I will still play the game to see how it turns out.  I remember reading that people would not be able to reach the point of taking over capitols for a few months, anyway. 

If people are selling their CEs on ebay, that's on them.  They knew what they were getting into when preordering a game in the first place.  I preordered mine knowing I might not like the game, or content might be cut.

If WAR fails there is always Aion. 

 

No, the "Cities are in but no siege" news has been officially denied by Mbj. No cities at launch but the 2 we already know.

For a more complete list of what Mark did say, visit this discussion> www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2134460#2134460

As for Smitty's bit of whining, and all of those like him... the posts will continue until they get their pacifiers back in their mouths.  So all I have left to say to them... "Om Nom Nom"

Originally posted by bleyzwun

From what I understand, the 4 capitol cities are not cut from the game, you just won't be able to RvR there.  Also, I don't see how "so many necessary classes" are missing.  It's only 4 out of 24, and you can still play with people of other races that fulfill the same roll.  I am upset over the news, but I will still play the game to see how it turns out.  I remember reading that people would not be able to reach the point of taking over capitols for a few months, anyway. 

If people are selling their CEs on ebay, that's on them.  They knew what they were getting into when preordering a game in the first place.  I preordered mine knowing I might not like the game, or content might be cut.

If WAR fails there is always Aion. 

Just an FYI, the other capital cities will not be in at launch. 

www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php

Originally posted by tango209

Originally posted by bleyzwun

From what I understand, the 4 capitol cities are not cut from the game, you just won't be able to RvR there.  Also, I don't see how "so many necessary classes" are missing.  It's only 4 out of 24, and you can still play with people of other races that fulfill the same roll.  I am upset over the news, but I will still play the game to see how it turns out.  I remember reading that people would not be able to reach the point of taking over capitols for a few months, anyway. 

If people are selling their CEs on ebay, that's on them.  They knew what they were getting into when preordering a game in the first place.  I preordered mine knowing I might not like the game, or content might be cut.

If WAR fails there is always Aion. 

 

Just an FYI, the other capital cities will not be in at launch. 

www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php

Yeah Volmar informed me of that above.  I guess it was just a rumor going around the WHA forums this morning.

Whatever faction is missing the tanks, will have a shortage because of two reasons:

1.  It is NOT that easy (especially at low levels) to just roll down to empire lands to help a buddy.

2.  Most people choose a  race for a reason... and that reason is they like the world they are in.  To choose to be an ironbreaker and play through the empire quests and zones is definately viable, and can be fun BUT that group of people will be a minority compared to the dwarves who stay with the dwarves.  This example is better reflected on the Destruction side, because there will not be many greenskins or chosen going to the elf-lands.  This is one of the posts that there will be "told-you-so" posts about once the dark elf lands are abandoned. (see PotBS)

Balance-wise, I don't see how the elves vs dark elves will stack up when one side has a tank and the other does NOT!!  Not that the other team gets something else... they just get nothing.  Imagine how this would work in WOW if alliance got tanks and horde did not... it would be an outrage.

Content-wise, I figgured they would add classes since most of the classes have a mirror image on the other faction... there really are only about 4 base classes, with little spins.  I thought for sure we would be seeing more options or hybrid classes, or maybe a utility class... not the cutting of a class all together.  Historically speaking, when a game makes big cuts to the core systems of a game, it is TROUBLE.  It may be a necessary decision and for the best considering the circumstances, BUT it definately shows that the game is not "living up" to the initial scope.

Gamestops' "Rave Card" has the CE key on it... so if you pre-ordered a CE and didn't get one, you will NOT get the key and your CE will be just a regular edition as far as mythic is concerned.  Unfortunately, these keys did not arrive in the proper quantity nor were they properly distributed.  This means that there are thousands of people who preordered that will NOT get beta, or the preorder bonuses.  Bestbuy has the same problem, as well as many online vendors (aside from amazon, which I haven't heard anything about).  Also amazon's ingame ring is the worst of the 3, so don't make that mistake.  Get yours from Gamestop.

The contests I speak of are: The boom! studios contest that was finished on june 13th, and the results STILL haven't been announced.  This means that winners missed out on over a month of beta EVEN if they were announced today, which they won't be.  Also booth visitors who enter their keys from gamesday ect haven't received their invites in a timely manner.

Lastly, cities...  Of the cuts, I think this will be the easiest sell since the mechanic has always supported one city over multiple for the purpose of defense and rvr.  I think they made a mistake when they made the cities unique to a race, and not something the entire side would feel as if they owned.

Ach hans run! the game is melting down!

Wez all gonna die!

Originally posted by smitty0356

Whatever faction is missing the tanks, will have a shortage because of two reasons:

1.  It is NOT that easy (especially at low levels) to just roll down to empire lands to help a buddy.

2.  Most people choose a  race for a reason... and that reason is they like the world they are in.  To choose to be an ironbreaker and play through the empire quests and zones is definately viable, and can be fun BUT that group of people will be a minority compared to the dwarves who stay with the dwarves.  This example is better reflected on the Destruction side, because there will not be many greenskins or chosen going to the elf-lands.  This is one of the posts that there will be "told-you-so" posts about once the dark elf lands are abandoned. (see PotBS)

Balance-wise, I don't see how the elves vs dark elves will stack up when one side has a tank and the other does NOT!!  Not that the other team gets something else... they just get nothing.  Imagine how this would work in WOW if alliance got tanks and horde did not... it would be an outrage.

Content-wise, I figgured they would add classes since most of the classes have a mirror image on the other faction... there really are only about 4 base classes, with little spins.  I thought for sure we would be seeing more options or hybrid classes, or maybe a utility class... not the cutting of a class all together.  Historically speaking, when a game makes big cuts to the core systems of a game, it is TROUBLE.  It may be a necessary decision and for the best considering the circumstances, BUT it definately shows that the game is not "living up" to the initial scope.

Gamestops' "Rave Card" has the CE key on it... so if you pre-ordered a CE and didn't get one, you will NOT get the key and your CE will be just a regular edition as far as mythic is concerned.  Unfortunately, these keys did not arrive in the proper quantity nor were they properly distributed.  This means that there are thousands of people who preordered that will NOT get beta, or the preorder bonuses.  Bestbuy has the same problem, as well as many online vendors (aside from amazon, which I haven't heard anything about).  Also amazon's ingame ring is the worst of the 3, so don't make that mistake.  Get yours from Gamestop.

The contests I speak of are: The boom! studios contest that was finished on june 13th, and the results STILL haven't been announced.  This means that winners missed out on over a month of beta EVEN if they were announced today, which they won't be.  Also booth visitors who enter their keys from gamesday ect haven't received their invites in a timely manner.

Lastly, cities...  Of the cuts, I think this will be the easiest sell since the mechanic has always supported one city over multiple for the purpose of defense and rvr.  I think they made a mistake when they made the cities unique to a race, and not something the entire side would feel as if they owned.

eh... I won't mind going to another races RvR zones.  It just wouldn't be as fun to stick to one zone anyway.  I'm sure most people feel the same.  When you play a MMORPG you never stay in one area.  For example, in FFXI I was a Taru Taru and left the Windherst area pretty quickly.  In WoW, my first toon was a Night Elf and I left the Darnassus area to see what else was around the world.  Same for my undead.  If you plan on sticking to ONLY your races RvR zone you are missing out on the rest of the content. 

I can garauntee you that all RvR zones will have a mix of all races in the battles. It's also been stated that there will be transportation from one races area to anothers to make this easy.  I think you're getting a little to worked up over this.  Both factions will be missing one tank each.  As I said before, there will be other tanks to fill in those rolls.

I am not very worked up about this, I am just compiling all of the info from beta and interviews and taking it to the next step of saying what effect I think it will have on the game. 

It is in the trend and the compilation of all of the last 2 months of information that paints the picture that is most disturbing.  If the game sucks I will just play something else.  I have done this many-many times before, and I'm sure that WAR won't hold my attention forever, no matter how much it does live up to the hype.

What I don't like is seeing a company try to ease players into an inferior product from what they initially advertised.  I think they have been making some shoddy customer service moves in their contests, and now it looks like they are trying to chop off the rotten corners of their game to get it out the door on time.

I have seen mmo's release garbage before it was ready...  I have seen mmo's cut features... I have seen about every idea out there to release a game as early as possible to get in the "black" financially.  Of them all, I think that chopping direct content should be the last resort.  Only when it is bugg-ridden or blatently unplayable should it be removed.

On the plus side, I could have told you which 4 characters were getting the axe before hand, because these were the characters that didn't have any changes to their class page on warhammer.com.  The black guard is still the same lame-looking drawing they have had up forever.  Same with the other classes, so I can see why they cut those classes, and I think they would have topped my list too, But watch out for level 10 and below pvp in the elf zones.  If you think the lack of a tank on the dark elf side isn't going to throw off the balance, you are lying to yourself.