Ah...glad about the cheaters/hackers not being able to cheat/hack...

Sure will miss the Chompa but I would have had him as an alt anyway...

The cities is what I have the most questions with because what will happen to them in-game?

I sure got disappointed the first 30 minutes of this but I have to agree that atleast they are telling us the truth about what they are going to do to this game.

Some may say...will you still buy the game? Sure I will...you better believe I will since Fantasy PvP is my favorite of all things in any Fantasy MMO. WoW was my second MMO but I sure as hell won't go back and play that game.

Originally posted by acidblood

 

While I respect your opinion, I do not agree with it, especially when it has already been stated, by Mark, that if the problems with these classes and cities could have been fixed simply by taking a bit more time then that is what they would have done.

Having developed a small text based RPG for a graphics calculator in high school I had big plans for it at the start, even throughout the initial development those plans where still in place, but things happened that I had not counted on, mainly running out of memory and not being able to come up with a way to code what I wanted given the calculators limited language, so I had to make some changes, but it still turned out pretty good in the end and was quite popular with some of the other guys in my year level, even spawning a few mods... point is, sometimes things just don't work the way you thought they would and the amount of time and money it would take to make them 'complete' just isn't worth it, especially when you doubt that those things could ever work or that they would even be any better than the alternative solution you came up with.

So, yes it sucks that there will only be 20 classes instead of 24, and there will only be 2 siege-able cities instead of 6, but that does not mean WAR will be much if any worse off as a game because of it and that simply taking more time would 'fix' everything.

NB. I say "much if any worse off" because it has also been stated, by Mark, that if the changes they have made (read: cutting 4 classes and cities) does not work (read: ruins the game) then it will be delayed while they find a way to fix it. To quote Mark "I've always said that this game will ship when it's great, I've never said it will only ship if it has 24 classes, 6 cities, 5210 quests, etc. Nothing has changed about that. If the game is great and ready to be launched, it will be launched. If it isn't, it will be held back."

Information obtained from: http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43941

Edit: Changed the quote to the one I was originally looking for but couldn't find till I stopped looking...

Edit: Everyone should also check out > http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44469 < if they haven't yet, it will clear a lot of things up for people as there is a lot of miss information flying about here.

Well that's just it. I am not looking just for a great game. I am looking for a virtual world to build a character in, that is believable and in mesh with the lore in the original IP. I wanted to play a High Elf, but not having a city  to swear allegiance to and defend is a game killer for me. I like to RP, so IP integrity is important. You cannot possibly say that taking out cities maintains IP integrity. If so, then show me the books, Warhammer game manuals and etc. that agree with there only being two cities and the elves and dwarves fighting over the Empire's city constantly, while ignoring their own.

I am a Mythic fan, and have played DAoC for a long time. I don't doubt WAR will be fun when it is released; with or without 6 cities. Hell, if fun was my only factor of playing a game, I wouldn't ever leave DDO. No, RP is important to me and I cannot play a game that doesn't line up with the lore of the IP. It's like playing SWG after they butchered the lore in it.

I may be a minority when it comes to wanting things to abide by the lore, but my dollar counts just as much and so does my opinion. I've stated my opinion on this, and that is it. No one has yet to rebuttal the fact that they are destroying the integrity of the IP.

There is a huge lot of princesses around here.

Some of you people are looking for their perfect game, something they can wrap their lives around and worship til the grave. Like anything produced by and involving lots of different people, it gets hard to make something perfect for any one individual. They are trying their best to keep the players happy, trust in their judgement as far as that principle goes. You aren't as involved in the development of this project as any of the decision makers here - enough of your "Oh they shoulda's...".

Why do you follow games during development so much anyway? Have you nothing better to do? For once, I suggest you walk bindly into a new game world and actually feel the game as a new part of your conscience. I have been close to a game pre-release and it's like a long boring roller-coaster ride. Things get changed, there are let-downs, the wait grows, and launch is filled with all these expectations to the extent where I can't enjoy myself just playing the game.

And stop thinking your dollar is worth anything more than the next guy's. Nobody cares who you give it to except the companies targetting your custom, and on this level of discussion you sound more like a prick fussing over his $50 than the apparent billionaire-stock-genious mentality you're going for.

When the game comes out, go ahead and decide on purchasing it. If you do, play it. Then judge it. Then move on. Until that point, remember that you're not brightening anyone's day with your worthless squawking against a video game you haven't even played yet.

I'll see you in WAR in whatever the world is called and on whichever class I pick - because at this point I am relaxing in my ignorance - I know little of this game.

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Well that's just it. I am not looking just for a great game. I am looking for a virtual world to build a character in, that is believable and in mesh with the lore in the original IP. I wanted to play a High Elf, but not having a city  to swear allegiance to and defend is a game killer for me. I like to RP, so IP integrity is important. You cannot possibly say that taking out cities maintains IP integrity. If so, then show me the books, Warhammer game manuals and etc. that agree with there only being two cities and the elves and dwarves fighting over the Empire's city constantly, while ignoring their own.

I am a Mythic fan, and have played DAoC for a long time. I don't doubt WAR will be fun when it is released; with or without 6 cities. Hell, if fun was my only factor of playing a game, I wouldn't ever leave DDO. No, RP is important to me and I cannot play a game that doesn't line up with the lore of the IP. It's like playing SWG after they butchered the lore in it.

I may be a minority when it comes to wanting things to abide by the lore, but my dollar counts just as much and so does my opinion. I've stated my opinion on this, and that is it. No one has yet to rebuttal the fact that they are destroying the integrity of the IP.

Fair enough.

This article got me interested in War for the first time.

Hi there, this is my first post and i made an account just for this forum

I think that even though this news has come as a great dissapointment, we should not quickly judge the entire game based on these removals. I have been following production for about a year and a half now and ive never been more excited about a game.

What I want to say is, that  I think that this game is gonna still be as epic as ever because I remember the Cities in WOW and besides Stormwind the rest, pardon my french sucked balls. And if get 2 awesome cities that are unlike anything that we've seen before I think it is worth every cent.

As for the classes I am not dissapointed, even though my choice will be a White Lion when reading up on the Knight of the Blazing Sun, it just didnt seem to work and well didnt seem very interesting and I would rather wait for these 4 classes to come out polished and perfect, rather than half assed and inferior to the other classes

I will be at the lauch 100%

Watch out for Azmodeus, White Lion

Thanks

Originally posted by Goob

There is a huge lot of princesses around here.

 

Some of you people are looking for their perfect game, something they can wrap their lives around and worship til the grave. Like anything produced by and involving lots of different people, it gets hard to make something perfect for any one individual. They are trying their best to keep the players happy, trust in their judgement as far as that principle goes. You aren't as involved in the development of this project as any of the decision makers here - enough of your "Oh they shoulda's...".

Why do you follow games during development so much anyway? Have you nothing better to do? For once, I suggest you walk bindly into a new game world and actually feel the game as a new part of your conscience. I have been close to a game pre-release and it's like a long boring roller-coaster ride. Things get changed, there are let-downs, the wait grows, and launch is filled with all these expectations to the extent where I can't enjoy myself just playing the game.

And stop thinking your dollar is worth anything more than the next guy's. Nobody cares who you give it to except the companies targetting your custom, and on this level of discussion you sound more like a prick fussing over his $50 than the apparent billionaire-stock-genious mentality you're going for.

When the game comes out, go ahead and decide on purchasing it. If you do, play it. Then judge it. Then move on. Until that point, remember that you're not brightening anyone's day with your worthless squawking against a video game you haven't even played yet.

I'll see you in WAR in whatever the world is called and on whichever class I pick - because at this point I am relaxing in my ignorance - I know little of this game.

some people aren't as ignorant though

This mutilation of the game goes against everything Warhammer stands for.  I guess ignorance is bliss... Have fun playing your gimp game at launch. gg

Another half finished game goes to the presses.

Maybe I'll check back in 12 months.

First place, wait and try the game out when it is published before you comdemn it.  The game is not even in open beta yet.  What is the big deal whether there is an elf city you can swear to at the start, try what they have first before you come crying here.

Mythic seems to really make an effort to change their ways, they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I think what Mythic is doing now is the absolutely best thing they can do for the game.  Focus on what you have, throw out what is not working, you can always add things later.  That is a road to success in this business.  A road Funcom failed to find.

Originally posted by SoulSurfer

This mutilation of the game goes against everything Warhammer stands for.  I guess ignorance is bliss... Have fun playing your gimp game at launch. gg

 

Imo you're overreacting.

All the game systems will be in and functional at launch, although some of them won't be to the degree originally envisaged.

If this bothers you then just wait a few months till they get the missing stuff in. That's a prudent thing to do with new MMORPG releases anyway.

It's not like they actually sold you a game with "massive siege PVP"  blurb on all the boxes and ads while there is no massive siege PvP nor will there ever be anything even close to what's implied by the blurb given the screwy core mechanics and completely incompatible tech requirements for massive PvP and top range gfx.

So chill... the sky isn't falling... yet...

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

PUNKBUSTER     No way in hell installing that on my PC.

 

 

I agree...this is the sole reason I have cancelled my pre-order.  I had misgivings when EA took over Mythic, but I nver thought they'd have the gumption to put this garbage on any MMO.  I got a HW ban from EB in BF2 for fragging one of their employees too many times because the sorry sap kept running the same route through my sniper field.  That was the last time I played that game, and since then I've seen similar things happening to others in different games that use PB.  They may claim they don't play the games they support, but it's shown on several occasion over the internet that not only do they, but they abuse the power of their software for personal gain in the games.

I can now see only guilds with EB employees in them being in the game - any competition will not surprisingly be banned for hacking if they prove too superior.

/sigh

All of the people saying the game is broken now or saying that Mythic lied are making me laugh. 

1. You were never promised any of these things, since the game isn't out and MBJ and others have consistently said "Everything is subject to change"

2. You can't say the game is broken or gimped or anything like that because it's not out and you haven't played it to find out.

3. MBJ said in the interview, if these 4 classes don't work out, then they'll replace them with others.

4. the cities are going to be in as well.

5. Thank GOD, Gork, Mork, Sigmar, Tzeentch, and Khaine that they didn't go the way of Funcom and not tell the fanbase until launch day that these things weren't going to be in the game.

Anyone have a good computer setup that can handle 2k players in the 2 cities that didnt get cut. Got Lag!!

The only thing that I am discouraged or disappointed by is the amount of whining kids on here. To be perfectly honest, if you haven't played the game and don't know all the details of a classes such as blackguard, but you are saying you canceled your pre-order because the class is cut means only one thing. You need your diaper changed. Grow up.

1. If they delayed - some people would complain

2. If they left them in without them being fixed - some people would complain

3. If they cut them out until they are right - some people complain

The game isn't released yet. Very few of you even have a clue as to how difficult it is to make something that takes, say 100 core people with talent and several years. Things change. I'd prefer they remove a class (and it's counterpart) if they are overpowered or broken. I am sure they'll fix it and release it later; they aren't stupid. There are tons of other "classes" in the Warhammer IP but how many different systems of combat do you think they could come up with to assign to a new class that is interesting, unique and balanced?

Likewise, 6 cities to fight over might be a be much; who knows. Only they know and some of the beta testers. I've no doubt they'll come out with these as well. To be honest, form what I've heard, I'd pay to play right now. The cities are the highest end of content. I am sure we will be fine with all the other types of RvR until they give us four more cities to fight for.

The bottom line is; no matter what they do, some people are gonna bitch and say "That' it! This game totally sucks now so I am quitting." (even though they never joined yet, LOL). I wanna hear a bunch of people that are in closed beta say they won't join because of a few cut classes. Twenty is still plenty. Each side still has each type of role; even if you can't get a race/role you set your heart on just because it looked hardcore, etc.

Originally posted by SoulSurfer

This mutilation of the game goes against everything Warhammer stands for.  I guess ignorance is bliss... Have fun playing your gimp game at launch. gg

 

LOL. If you had a clue about Warhammer IP, then you'd know there are literally dozens of cities with it's own lore in the IP. There is no way they'll get it all in. Deal with it.

“We’ve always believed that it is important to go to the community with both good news and bad,” he said. “Whether it’s the state of the games, or just talking in the forums, we’re professional enough to confront bad news head on and not try to hide it and not try to play games and wait until the last minute when people have already bought the game to tell them. We will not play those kinds of games.”

Yea right, thats what they all say.  I for one think they will try to actually do this, but when launch time comes and things get hectic, this idea is out the door.

There are two types of people posting in this thread:

1) Those who read the article

2) Those who didn't

Originally posted by WizardBlack

Originally posted by SoulSurfer

This mutilation of the game goes against everything Warhammer stands for.  I guess ignorance is bliss... Have fun playing your gimp game at launch. gg

 

LOL. If you had a clue about Warhammer IP, then you'd know there are literally dozens of cities with it's own lore in the IP. There is no way they'll get it all in. Deal with it.

Deal with it? I won't even touch this game with a ten foot pole... Go preach to your choir.

I've seen enought. Both capitol cities are BS, 4 mentioned classes were cut 6 months ago. MJB trying to lie his best to avoid any damage done to Mythic's reputation.