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Originally posted by Freemasons
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2006
Presisering: Årsoppgjøret is not made within the legal time limit. (Source: Auditor) 2005
Presisering: Illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager, board member or other (Source: Auditor) Presisering: Årsoppgjøret is not made within the legal time limit. (Source: Auditor)
2003
Presisering: Illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager, board member or other (Source: Auditor) Check the announcements and you can see multiple auditing problems, changes of address, changes of directors, changes of board members etc., I'm no expert so I dont know if it just looks suspicious and dubious or if its actually illegal. |
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Originally posted by Freemasons Yes, Anastasios Flampouras, obviously Tasos. You can see their full and correct names on the documents I have linked too, of course I’m presuming they actually used there real full and correct names on these legal documents but decided not to for a more informal impression when promoting and marketing Darkfall. The change between p and b might be language differences, or a typo. |
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7/10/08 11:05:21 AM#123
Can anyone else feel Darkfall slowly twirling down the toilet?
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Aventurine seems to of found the money to be clients of or still are currently clients of at least two consultancy firms one in 2006, the other at some time after 2005. http://www.futurecc.gr/customers.htm TRADE - SERVICES:
GROUP PAZAROPOULOY ATHENS OIL MA KRIS SEAT MCCANN ERICKSON AIR SEA LINES AVENTURINE A.E ICAP SA CYBERSOFT LTD ITMC LTD CAN COMMUNICATIONS A.E. MAMACAS FRAKAPOR LOGISTICS EXPRESS HELLENIC MARITIME Broadband Services - Digital culture - Digital Future
(Period 2006-2007) 100% success Prepare a Business Plan
Development broadband services under the programme «Funding for the Enterprise Advanced Funding Broad Band » AVENTURINE A.E Premium Consulting 2006
Seems strange that they have spent this money on consultation when at the time Darkfall was obviously no where near launch or even Beta, and they appear to be so financially limited. And even now over a year later still no definite Beta or release date yet, of course I’m assuming this consultancy and “business plan for development of broadband services” is related to Darkfall.
Its possible that its not and maybe they have planned or started in the past or are still planning other “broad band services” like the gambling / bingo service under Razorwax or even other completely unrelated business . |
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maskedweasel
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Joined: 9/24/07
"Kids, try imagining how far the universe extends! Keep thinking about it until you go insane." |
7/10/08 2:18:56 PM#125
Hey, what ever happened to Sigil? "Loan me a Dragon I wanna see space"
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7/10/08 3:02:50 PM#126
Originally posted by Freemasons
It was sat on the rim for a few years first.
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7/10/08 3:04:58 PM#127
Originally posted by Polarization Yes, Anastasios Flampouras, obviously Tasos. You can see their full and correct names on the documents I have linked too, of course I’m presuming they actually used there real full and correct names on these legal documents but decided not to for a more informal impression when promoting and marketing Darkfall. The change between p and b might be language differences, or a typo.
If you look at the response given to me by the GameWorld editor over at youtube, you'll see he used "Flampouras" as well. Originally posted by Polarization
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Claus Grovdal claimed that Razorwax was founded by him Kjetil and Ricki in 2000 ostensibly to develop Darkfall. But he did not mention that Benjamin Cabarrubias Bye was the executive director of Razorwax and also on the board of directors / founders. http://w2.brreg.no/kunngjoring/hent_alle.jsp?kid=20080000247056&sokeverdi=981988167 Foretaksregisteret 06.06.2000 Who appears to of started Vaagen Asset Managment ASA in 2007, and is currently its general manager. http://www.1881.no/Roller/Vaagen+Asset+Management+ASA_E107981984/ |
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7/11/08 7:21:33 AM#129
Originally posted by Zorvan
Tasos is Greek is he not? There may be different methods of converting a Greek name into English. They don't use the same letters we do you know.  |
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Enterprises 15.02.2001
CHANGE OF MANAGEMENT BOARD The chairman of the board: Trond Erik Heier, Erling Skjalgsson
Director: Benjamin Cabarrubias Bye Claus Hågensen Grøvdal Leif Tore Sætermoen Simon Yuen Simon Yune
Owner/chairman of the board of Kingclaw AS,Royal Supreme Sea food AS, Intermeal Gruppen AS
Leif Tore Sætermoen Proebely Chief Investmant Officer for this IT services company http://www.sogeti.no/templates/Sogeti_LokalStartsida____2064.aspx These people and this change in management was probably made because these people themselves or the company's they represented invested in Razorwax, Razorwax was registered as a gambling / bingo / sweepstakes service’s company. At the same time Claus Hågensen Grøvdal was changed to Executive Director |
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7/11/08 7:57:19 AM#131
Wow, Polarization! You finally killed it, man! This is better than a mystery novel!
Most of us old former followers of this game just moved the f--- on years ago, figuring the game would eventually fade into oblivion and nobody would ever find out what the f--- was going on with it. It was enough to know that it was vaporware built upon a massive pile of lies.
But you finally took it to a whole new level, man, this is amazing stuff. You should be a private eye. I'm serious. You obviously have a great nose for ferreting stuff out, are stubborn as hell, and an analytical nature.
People think it doesn't matter, but look at all these fanbois even on this board, who have wasted so much time and energy on this barrel of lies. They are the suckers, and the ones who aren't completely retarded deserve a bit of justice to have the liar's game exposed. So in my eyes you have done more than a few good deeds here.
The one sad thing is once the fan boys disappear this board won't be good for any more laughs. Oh well.
I've a suspicion of what user you were from the official forums. And I'm sure if I were you I could find out for sure whether I'm right or not. But I'm not, and it doesn't really matter, anyways... just keep up the great work man! This is one of the most awesome threads I have ever read on a forum. And I've read hundreds of thousands of em. The one and only. |
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Originally posted by SuperCrap
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7/11/08 8:25:50 AM#133
Haha, I was a constructive and positive member..... except when the devs were lying to everyone. Which turned out pretty quickly to be most of the time....
For some reason back in 2001, 2002, 2003 the "Darkfall" idea really seemed possible. And now for some reason it doesn't. Kind of sad when you think about it. I believe there is still a tremendous unrealized potential in the MMORPG genre, and projects like "Darkfall" really hurt that potential a lot. They close up people's minds so they forget what is possible. Not only I think among gamers, but surely among developers too. Projects like Darkfall give a taint to the ideas behind the game, the ideas that generated such great hype in the first place. As if they are only pie in the sky.
Some of the technical things might be pie in the sky, but the concept of an MMORPG with profound player freedom of action, intelligence and skill in the gameplay, and no mindless grind... is very much possible, and I still believe would be quite popular if executed well.
EDIT: I still can't get over how they changed stuff on their linked-in profiles based on this page. Wow! Talk about putting the feet to the fire. Who could have known how keenly that pen prick on a random Internet message board would be felt, heh. The one and only. |
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6 months later Benjamin Cabarrubias Bye who was Razorwax’s executive director at its founding appears to no longer involved in the company. Enterprises 02.08.2001
CHANGE OF MANAGEMENT BOARD Board: The chairman of the board: Trond Erik Heier, Erling Skjalgsson Director: Claus Hågensen Grøvdal
Leif Tore Sætermoen Simon Yuen later that month Razorwax publicly announce they have been developing a MMORPG called Darkfall since 2000, despite Razorwax being registered as a company offering bingo/gambling/sweepstakes services. http://rpgvaultarchive.ign.com/features/interviews/darkfall.shtml In Nov/Dec 2002 Razorwax makes and announcement they claim they have "found" and “signed” a “publishing deal” for Darkfall with a Greek publisher (Aventurine), and "merged" Razorwax with Aventurine in Greece to continue development. http://www.anvilsociety.com/wax/news2.htm http://www.warcry.com/news/view/2503 4 months later Razorwax's Board changes again. Enterprises 06.02.2003
CHANGE OF MANAGEMENT BOARD Board: The chairman of the board: Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athens, Greece Director: Anastasios Flampouras AKA "Tasos" Spiridon Iordanis Claus Hågensen Grøvdal Ricki Michael Sickenger All the original investors in Razorwax apart from the Darkfall "developers" are no longer involved with the company presumably after the announcement it was developing Darkfall andits failure to be successfull in bingo/sweepstakes services, and was going to “merge“ with Aventurine in Greece.
And now Jade El Mehdawi, Tasos and Spiridon Iordanis are on the board of Razorwax and its owners, as well as Claus and Ricki, the very same people as well as other's like Henning Ludvigson who are also owners / partners / investors in Aventurine.
Aventurine was simply created by the original developers from Razorwax along with new investor/owners who are all the developers and producers of Darkfall, after the initial investment from the other previous board members of Razowax ran out.
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Originally posted by SuperCrap
Just because I made constructive and positive posts did not mean I didn’t always have misgivings about the project, or that I was not skeptical, I was just willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for the first 4 or 5 years. I still remember when I first read the first announcement about the game in 2001, I read the interview and thought that sounds great, but it sounds to good to be true, ill believe it when I see it. And then when I clicked on the few screen shots in the article I thought, ok, looks like there’s still a lot of work to go, and 8 years later it still looks like there’s a lot of work to go to me. I agree with you about the potential of a game like Darkfall and its concepts and that’s the only reason why I’ve ever dedicated anytime to it, I don’t really care about any other type’s of MMO’s so I just don’t get involved with them, apart from playing them, normally for a very limited amount of time. I don’t know what the effects if any Darkfall failure will have, plenty of PvP sand box type games like Darkfall proposes to be have released and failed before or never managed to release, so I think there will still remain a community of people who will still wait for the next one, whatever or whenever that may come. |
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These are some of the people who are listed on the board of Razorwax who invested in it, that we actually know the amount of money they lost when Razorwax “moved” to Greece, after they where convinced to invest in it. Simon Yuen, owns in Norway Kingclaw AS,Royal Supreme Sea Food AS, Intermeal Gruppen AS and also Intermedia Invest. Trond Erik Heier was a manager at Intermedia Invest at the time. Yuen and Trond Heier were “convinced” to invest 500-550k dollars in Darkfall by a “thick” and “enthusiastic” presentation that convinced them, “these boys are so good and convincing that we chose to bet on them” Yuen thought he would receive 20% from the company, and thought “even a small success for Darkfall could mean major income.” Intermedia invest also hired Leif Tore Sætermoen, another board member to “bring structure to the project” and also provided equipment and mediocre pay. Trond Heier said “Now we have given them time until new Years and after that we may see something from them that is interesting for other investors.” And that is exactly the reason why Razorwax “found”/ created a new publisher Aventurine and decided to “move” to Greece, their major investor expected results by the end of 2002, but after spending Yuen’s 500-550k $’s for 2 years and having nothing substantial to show for it, they simply started a new company called Aventurine and “moved” development of Darkfall to Greece. |
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I would like to know how much money Benjamin Cabarrubias Bye the founding executive director of Razorwax, and Erling Skjalgsson one of its Chairman possibly invested and also might of lost when Razorwax “moved” development to Aventurine. And why did Razorwax continue as a company until it was declared bankrupt in 2006 after we were told it “merged” with Aventurine, and why did Jade El Mehdawi, Tasos and Spiridon Iordanis become members and chairman of the board of Razorwax after Aventurine was created by them and the developers from Razorwax in 2003. And why did the Auditor of Razorwax note illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager, board member or other twice after this, and other auditing irregularities, did they continue attempting to make Razorwax a success in bingo/sweepstakes gambling services until it went bankrupt or was it for other reasons. |
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7/11/08 3:06:41 PM#138
Very interesting info in these threads, Polar. I really appreciate you sharing it with us. I am going to have to take my own advice. I have been saying others should lower expecations...now I wonder if even my own were too high. |
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7/11/08 3:22:06 PM#139
Originally posted by SuperCrap
I don't think it'll hurt interest in this type of game. All of us, down to the utmost total hater, began watching Darkfall because of the features it offered. This game could work and could make millions for a competent and honest developer. Unfortunately, Darkfall will not be that game, as we all know it's developer is neither of those things. What most need to realize, especially the diehard "fanbois", is that the success of this type of game in the market depends on the scammer asshat "developers" being exposed and removed from the scene, so real developers who see the interest in the game can come in and make it. For every scammer/fraud developer we as gamers remove, that's just an improvement on the company which ends up taking this type of game serious. Like in any other product environment, you weed out the snake oil salesmen to let the real guys shine. There will be a game like Darkfall, of this I have no doubt. But it will not be by Razorwax/Aventurine/whatever name they choose next. |
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Kyleran
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Joined: 9/13/06
A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf |
7/11/08 3:38:34 PM#140
Very interesting info, and great work Polar. Hey, if you have some free time, I think maybe your skills could be used to look deeper into EA/Mythic and WAR. "Just because you aren't paying doesn't mean it's not PTW." - Amaranthar |
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