Age of Conan

Originally posted by Zorvan

BTW on the main forums someone just posted the server population for one of the more populated servers, Cimmeria.  1400 people are on it right now. Is that a lot of people? Nope it sure isn't, yet some people spin that around. 1400 people on one of the more populated servers, and there are 24 servers. Ouch.

 

Hmm, let's see.

Let's be generous and say there are three shifts of players everyday. That's 4200 players on the server every 24 hours.

Now let's be generous and say every server has the same population. 4200 x 24 = 100,800 players.

Not very successful, considering the hype of how great it was going to be. But that was back when there were going to be all those wonderful things that, surprise, didn't make it in, plus the ones that did make it in but were /are broken. So I guess you can say they're as successful as EvE. Which is nice, but nowhere near what anyone, especially Funcom, thought it would be. Even if you double that number to account for the casuals/weekend only players, you'd have 201,600 players.

And I'm betting they're getting more leaving than they have staying or new players coming in.

It is obvious that most of you guys that are flaming aren't or haven't played the game.  1400 per server?  My guild alone had about 60 people on last night.  I can assure you that my guild does NOT make up THAT big a percentage on our server.  We aren't even close to the biggest guild on our server.  One of you flamers actually want to LOG ON to the friggin game before you spread this dung pile of misinfo?

Originally posted by kaishi00

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Elikal

the Closed Beta ppl were under NDA to the very last day. That alone spoke volums about how they KNEW in what incomplete and bad state AoC is.

You don't beta test much do you? That is how every game is. I've beta'ed CoH, SWG, CoV, TR, GW, AC, DnL, DAoC, PotBS, EnB, RoE, SoR and even UO. All have had the same requirment of NDAs.

 

Not all NDAs are actually enforced. Aion has an NDA, but its' not enforced. NCsoft has nothing to hide about that game, there's videos all over the place.

SOOOOO...  because they actually ENFORCE the NDA that EVERYONE agreed to like MOST other games then they suck...

FYI NCSoft may not be enforcing the NDA on Aion, but they CERTAINLY have on other games like GW

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by 3on1

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Beta.... subject to change ring a bell?

Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? especially considering all the moaning on how fast it is to level up?

Too much Drama! It was beta

 

 

avery every hater is convinced that aoc is a big fat global scheme set up by the evil ppl over at fc, every hater is convinced only a handful of people play the game since they left it and they are so almighty.. every hater is convinced that fc will go belly up (this made me laugh)

(this is to the haters/bashers): do you honestly think aoc failed? the most succesfull mmo (in salesnumbers yes.. sales..) after WoW, BUT u can truely call it a succes if the game keeps selling and keeps attracting subs. in a few months we will find out who was right, i will admit defeat if the game goes down and fc goes belly up. will you admit yours if fc survives?

 

AoC won't totally fail, and Funcom probably won't go belly up. But AoC will be no more successful than Anarchy Online is now. And it took 7 years after release for AO to get where it's at.

QFT.

It needed to be in bold Zorvan. This is exactly what will happen with AoC. AoC won't fail, FC will survive, but not a success by any stretch of the word. Just mediocre, along with it's counterpart AO.

Originally posted by devacore

Originally posted by Terminus-Est

Originally posted by devacore

1500 armor pieces

leg, chest, arm, wrist, waist, boots, gloves, helm, neck

1500/ 9 = 166 sets

cloth, light, medium, heavy, full plate

166/ 5 = 33 different set in each class

I play an asassin and I can say there are more then 33 different clothing sets. 

 

Your argument would be fine if they had said there would be "1500 armor pieces". Unfortunately they said there would be "1500 armor sets" (and emphasised that it was sets, and not pieces), so your argument kinda falls on its ass.

I am not going to claim that they lied - maybe there are 1500 armor sets in the game. I don't know - I haven't seen them. But the OP is spot on - they used the Gamespot beta to make people think this is what they would see on release, and it very blatantly wasn't. That is rather underhand, misleading, some might say dishonest, behaviour.

Then again, they also said that at release we would have DX10 and massive sieges with 100s of players onscreen at once, and that turned out to be a lie too.

 

I saw the video, he said pieces.   I don't care what you thought in beta, if you want to wear that set; level up and get it.  DX10 wasn't something they promised at launch and I agree the siege was something they talked about.  I hear they are adding it in later next month, oh my god you had to wait for it QQ, grow up.

Actually Avery said that he cleared this with the devs and it was sets no pieces.  Sets being 4-8 pieces each.

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/178485

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Elikal

the Closed Beta ppl were under NDA to the very last day. That alone spoke volums about how they KNEW in what incomplete and bad state AoC is.

You don't beta test much do you? That is how every game is. I've beta'ed CoH, SWG, CoV, TR, GW, AC, DnL, DAoC, PotBS, EnB, RoE, SoR and even UO. All have had the same requirment of NDAs.

No, as a matter of fact few betas were until the very last day. Most betas opened prior to launch or where loosened.

Originally posted by LondonMagus

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by LondonMagus

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by LondonMagus

Originally posted by Elikal

Well, it is simply Funcom lied. They lied there were 1500 armor pieces, they lied with the video presentations, they mislead us giving level 20 armor diversity which is NOT there, they lied about the sieges. Oh and btw, 90% of the MAGICAL speed acceleration after launch was caused by taking out the tree and plant animations for them game! Gawd, after SOE I never thought I found a MMO company who would lie MORE, but apparently with Funcom they found their master. If you dont mind being lied to, thats your right, we live in a free society where we can chose not to be upset when being lied to, just as I AM upset when someone lies me flat in the face. It's all Vanguardian promises not fulfilled again.

If you find being lied to ok, thats your problem. I dont take such behavior easily. I dont lie to others and I expect not to be lied to in return, ESPECIALLY when it comes to buying a product. Its not that I hate AoC, I dont love it either, what I HATE is, being LIED TO to buy a product. Whats not to understand with that?.

Ignoring the drama & bad mathematics about armor sets, just a couple of minor points.

Using block capitals for terms like 'SOE' & 'MMO' is fine because they are acronyms. Interestingly though you don't seem to put 'OK' in block capitals.

Using block capitals on normal english words like 'NOT, 'MAGICAL', 'MORE', 'AM', 'ESPECIALLY', 'HATE', 'LIED' & 'TO' in order to simulate that you are actually shouting as you type is just plain annoying.

Whilst you have every right to your opinion, other people have every right to disagree. If you actually want to convince others that your opinions are correct rather than just rant about them, reasoned logical arguments tend to work better than block capital temper tantrums.

In my opinion of course.

 

Is it any different than ignoring the points someone makes and instead picking apart their grammar and posting style?

Debate the points and not the person.

 

Disliking the unnecessary use of block capitals for emotional effect has as little to do with criticising grammar as your comment about 'debate the points & not the person' has to do with my post.

There weren't any real points to debate or even ignore as he doesn't attempt to form rational arguments, just use lots of emotional outbursts & make unsubstantiated claims.

In his the entire rant, aside from comments about how upset he was, there were only two actual attempts at conveying information. Firstly a claim about missing armour which many other posters have responded to and secondly an extreme unsubstantiated claim about plant animation that even if it had any truth to it was irrelevant.

"Debate the points and not the person" indeed.

Well if he only made two valid points and they were already addressed, then why did you even bother to post?

I see several valid points he makes and a few more than can be implied.  Did Funcom lie?  It sure sounds like it.  Did Funcom take steps to hide the state of the game from prospective buyers.  Again it sure seems like it.  Are there many promised aspects of the game missing?  It sure seems like it.  Did Funcom create open beta armor sets that are not available at that level in live game play to create a false apperance?  It sure seems like it.  I have no idea about the tree/plant animation comments to be fully honest, but did they?

I'm sure you could have taken a few seconds to dispell his points if you had chosen.  At least then you would have addressed his issues instead of just his posting style.

 

The reason I bothered to post was that like many other people who actually enjoy the game I am tired of block capital hysterical mud slinging masquerading as an argument. The reason I addressed his posting style rather than his argument is that it is extremely annoying & once you stripped away the drama there really wasn't much else left.

Did Funcom purposefully mislead people in the way described? I seriously doubt it. Beta tests are not respresentative of the released game so it doesn't matter whether Funcom issued all players with sequinned ballgowns at the end, unless you can prove that they definitively said that this was what would be in the game it is irrelevant.

Did Funcom lie? As any politician will tell you, it all depends on exactly how the original question was phrased, but I certainly don't feel like I was lied to as I didn't spend the weeks before launch building a check list of all the promised features. I just saw enough of the game to know that I was interested enough to try it out for myself. When I finally did get to play the game, whilst I could see quite a few things that were still 'rough around the edges', I enjoyed it enough to keep playing & still do.  

To read all this perpetual lynch mob hysteria you would think that Funcom had been swindling old people out of their life savings rather than just selling fairly inexpensive video games.

It's been over a month now, why don't the people who didn't like the game just find something else to complain about rather than behaving like they are on a mission to protect the planet or something?

So when you are out of arguments you attack the form. Wonderful. Why not attack my grammar as well? Or my hairstyle? Not that it matters, but hey, it sure makes a funny reply.

It is a pity if I offended your Vulcan sense for sobriety, but gawd, I if I would make DRAMA, boy you would NOTICE the DIFFERENCE, trust me! THIS is not drama, given the scope *I* can imagine this is serious, rational, calm approach. The day I make drama you will FEEL the difference, believe it. ;)

Originally posted by Elikal

So when you are out of arguments you attack the form. Wonderful. Why not attack my grammar as well? Or my hairstyle? Not that it matters, but hey, it sure makes a funny reply.

It is a pity if I offended your Vulcan sense for sobriety, but gawd, I if I would make DRAMA, boy you would NOTICE the DIFFERENCE, trust me! THIS is not drama, given the scope *I* can imagine this is serious, rational, calm approach. The day I make drama you will FEEL the difference, believe it. ;)

"Believe it", now you sound like Naruto ;)