Originally posted by havel

full loot is very discouraging for players, it promotes a very nasty way of behaving towards people who have lost, a game like EVE is not as "avatar" driven. It's one thing to lose your bag of gold, losing all loot is a bit like being demoted several ranks and nobody likes that.

Thing tho is full loot encourages virtuall communities for muterall protection in Dangerouse areas. Also when it comes to PvP the risk involved insures you think carefully before you engage in combat as the stakes in PvP are more meaningfull. Also a full loot system insures you no longer get the lame zerging fighting style where everyone just runs into each other to fight not worried about dying because they know they will be re-spawned nearby with little or no losses.

Full loot encourges more tactical thinking.

Full looting as I see it = high levels ganking newbies, so much they don't play. It's all fine if everyone is in the same type ship etc, means a good fight, but as soon as one person gets a head by playing far to long and sleepless nights, they then gank all the lowbies in easier ships and pick up all their loot and just get bigger and bigger, til no one plays basically.

Originally posted by sbanting

Full looting as I see it = high levels ganking newbies, so much they don't play.

1. There are no "levels" in Earthrise.  Please learn about the game;

2. You can purchase insurance which allows you to retain all items in your inventory after death.  Please learn about the game; and

3. The starting areas are all high security zones where griefing will be very remote.  Please learn about the game.

Also, please learn about the game.  Thanks.

no one remembers uo eh?

Originally posted by Ruckup

Unless they want to fail from the get go ..... Hey mabey they only want 100 subs at launch.

many DEvs have tried Full Loot pvp and the game died or they just forgot about the idea altogethor... I mean Look at AoC right now the WoW fanboy whimps cried and now FFA is going away.

Well you you can loot from other players whats to stop you from doing it right back?

Carebears need to learn how to read before assuming cause a MMO has FFA PVP that it will mean certain doom for thier whiny sissy hold my hand selves. The new MMOs which will have this FFA feature in it are making certain systems and ensuring that in a FFA enviroment the carebears will not to have to be scared so much to come outsidfe thier glass house... get over it........read the game forums ...

WoW did the OP even read about the game?

This game will have insurance which means if you die you will retain all your gear and skill points.

Basically turning a losing pvp encounter into a decent sized repair bill.

Originally posted by Z3R01

WoW did the OP even read about the game?

This game will have insurance which means if you die you will retain all your gear and skill points.

Basically turning a losing pvp encounter into a decent sized repair bill.

True to an extant.  Not ALL gear is insurable.  There some "uber" gear might be uninsurable making them very risky using.  Also gear that are illegal in the cities will be taken away from you if it has been detected by the Guards.  They will take it off of you and you will lose it.  Insured or unisured.

Originally posted by Joker2240

Originally posted by Z3R01

WoW did the OP even read about the game?

This game will have insurance which means if you die you will retain all your gear and skill points.

Basically turning a losing pvp encounter into a decent sized repair bill.

 

True to an extant.  Not ALL gear is insurable.  There some "uber" gear might be uninsurable making them very risky using.  Also gear that are illegal in the cities will be taken away from you if it has been detected by the Guards.  They will take it off of you and you will lose it.  Insured or unisured.

Well if you are smart you can wear decent gear that is insurable and not worry about losing it.

Of course the really awesome gear can be taken.

Thats not the point, the point is people can rest easy and not worry so much since insurance will protect the majority of their gear.

I just wished players werent so afraid to lose gear.

I see this in Eve all the time, I'll try to setup a newb pirate hunting party with a few 900k skillpoint frigates and a bunch of the players are just scared. Even if I offer to pay for their lost ship and fittings.

People need to understand that gear in these games are designed to be recycled.

Everything in the game can be purchased over again so don't be so afraid.

In eve im not attached to my ship or gear its my pod pilot with his skills that i care about.

So I make sure I have an updated clone and if I do lose my ship I just run missions for a day or two no biggie.

In earthrise I will spend most of my time raising skills I will equip average gear thats pleasing to the eye that I can replace easily. If I happen to lose some gear I will spend a day or two with a farming party to make some money back.

For me it sounds fine.  I want to be a crafter so having some sort of decay whether by use or loss would be good for me.  Quite frankly if anyone that likes to craft or plans to craft should appreciate this system IMO.

I am a big carebear as well.  I'll be ready to make deals with hunters for resources from areas I'm too scared to venture into.

Originally posted by GrandAm

For me it sounds fine.  I want to be a crafter so having some sort of decay whether by use or loss would be good for me.  Quite frankly if anyone that likes to craft or plans to craft should appreciate this system IMO.

I am a big carebear as well.  I'll be ready to make deals with hunters for resources from areas I'm too scared to venture into.

You're in luck ER will have item decay through use (no items will be immune for any reason ever unlike SWG and the retarded anti-decay kits they pumped into the game).  The specific of the rates is still unknown at this time though.

Full loot is the only way to go imo.

Originally posted by Ruckup

Unless they want to fail from the get go ..... Hey mabey they only want 100 subs at launch.

many DEvs have tried Full Loot pvp and the game died or they just forgot about the idea altogethor... I mean Look at AoC right now the WoW fanboy whimps cried and now FFA is going away.

Says who?
What qualifies you to give such statement?

What are the games that you are talking about?
AoC DOESN'T have full loot..............FFA doesn't mean full loot, but free to kill who you like.

The only game with full loot I think of is UO, and it did good.........considering is a 2D game.
I really cannot think of a 3D MMO who implemented full loot (Lineage 2 had partial loot), so how do you know it is going to fail?
Look how many people are interested in Darkfall which has full loot, at least 100.000 people applied for Beta, which is a very good number indeed.

Just because you can't deal with losing your stuff, that doesn't mean everybody else can't.

If you don't like Full Loot, find yourself another game, I hope Earthrise devs won't listen whiners like you, because that's what can kill their game.

Everytime I think about full loot pvp, I get wet.

Yeah, turn it into another WoW. Sheesh, don't you people have enough grindfests that you want to carebearise each and every MMO? There are other people out there that don't share your taste for games. You're not the judge of all things good and bad and games won't be tailored by your desires.

I think thats why they are doing the Insurance thing so if you dont insure your stuff thats your fault lol.

But ya this game is gonna be awesome i hope least the read up on the game is sounding awesome gameplay might be a different story =\...

Originally posted by Ruckup

Unless they want to fail from the get go ..... Hey mabey they only want 100 subs at launch.

many DEvs have tried Full Loot pvp and the game died or they just forgot about the idea altogethor... I mean Look at AoC right now the WoW fanboy whimps cried and now FFA is going away.

Didn't you just make the exact same post in DFO forums?

Oh, yes you did.

Earthrise fans! Hope you get a smooth ride to release!

Geez it's full loot BUT with insurance. Just like EvE and UO in the later expansions (can't recall when it happened)

You scared of loosing an item that you can just make it again? Ok make an insurance

Chillout ppl

Originally posted by nileq

Originally posted by Ruckup

Unless they want to fail from the get go ..... Hey mabey they only want 100 subs at launch.

many DEvs have tried Full Loot pvp and the game died or they just forgot about the idea altogethor... I mean Look at AoC right now the WoW fanboy whimps cried and now FFA is going away.

 

Didn't you just make the exact same post in DFO forums?

Oh, yes you did.

Earthrise fans! Hope you get a smooth ride to release!

Well I am happy that DFO is getting all the trolls

We all have our fingers crossed for a smooth ride to release!  Still waiting for that beta announcement!

on topic tho: As the person above me stated. If you are afraid of loosing your stuff... insure it... Simply... Not hard at all.. If you don't want to insure than don't wear it!

ouch full pvp loot some is cool but you should be able to keep some of your stuff