Originally posted by admriker4

 

Originally posted by Interitus

Maybe I missed something but I don't see how this confirms anything. It's still simply us taking your word for it.   I haven't seen anything yet on any big websites. Basically all I see is this is how it is, take my word for it. Now I'm not calling you a liar, but do you see how that can be hard for people to believe?

 

Umm have you seen the news from various gaming sites ? Ex-LA employees have spilled the beans. Im quite sure they confirmed the people they spoke with were actual ex-employees and not some nut off the street.

LA fired 100 people over the past week. These bitter folks are not going down quietly.

No doubt the NDA still applies to them for any project that they knew about meaning LA could go after them.

Originally posted by Arndur

Originally posted by admriker4

 

Originally posted by Interitus

Maybe I missed something but I don't see how this confirms anything. It's still simply us taking your word for it.   I haven't seen anything yet on any big websites. Basically all I see is this is how it is, take my word for it. Now I'm not calling you a liar, but do you see how that can be hard for people to believe?

 

Umm have you seen the news from various gaming sites ? Ex-LA employees have spilled the beans. Im quite sure they confirmed the people they spoke with were actual ex-employees and not some nut off the street.

LA fired 100 people over the past week. These bitter folks are not going down quietly.

No doubt the NDA still applies to them for any project that they knew about meaning LA could go after them.

Go after them for what?...they are broke and jobless. At this point I don't think it would be in LA's best interest to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees going after a 100 broke-ass peons they just fired. Keep in mind, by letting them go, LA was attempting to save some cash. I don't think they want to see that net gain in profit go into the deep pockets of the legal team. Besides, the damage isn't all that bad.

In many countries digging through trash is actually a criminal offense and people go to jail for it.  

meh

I will wait to see the authentic information from a "legal" source.   It may be true or not true, but disgruntled employees and a guy who goes to things which where I come from are in fact Illegal I wont put too much stock into if anyone is actually telling the truth to begin with.

What I dont want is a game with one class (jedi) as for the rest like the next guy i'm waiting to see what happens.

On a side note bioware is Canadian and their trash bins are in Canada in some cases.  Its illegal in Canada to do this and something that in fact will get you landed in jail.   So just that has me doubtful..

Originally posted by xXSeraphielX

Well just to help out the OP a little....

http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=190412

 

Perhaps that will help his statements a little. Though the OP should have posted something to backup the statement, it was pretty easy to find from google.

Now, my opinion..... YAY!!!!!!! WOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!

xXSeraphielX

As for the SWG was the best evar people I see your Pre CU  fans and raise you 50,000 Pre trammel UO fans. 

Every game has it's adherents. I bet I can even find some who think SWG is the bestest game evar now. Not that they'll  admit it  here.

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Originally posted by ummax
In many countries digging through trash is actually a criminal offense and people go to jail for it.  
meh
I will wait to see the authentic information from a "legal" source.   It may be true or not true, but disgruntled employees and a guy who goes to things which where I come from are in fact Illegal I wont put too much stock into if anyone is actually telling the truth to begin with.
What I dont want is a game with one class (jedi) as for the rest like the next guy i'm waiting to see what happens.
On a side note bioware is Canadian and their trash bins are in Canada in some cases.  Its illegal in Canada to do this and something that in fact will get you landed in jail.   So just that has me doubtful..

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I believe he was speaking about their Austin, TX branch, which was specifically created for a specific (though undisclosed purpose).

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 

Ooooo More rumors and conjecture from unnamed sources.

 

Exactly, far from "unofficial" confirmation.

Any hoaxer could have sent slashdot,  or the numerous other sites reporting this "leak", this material and of course they would report it - stirring up more rumors, which is more than like exactly what is happening.

When it comes from an Official Source, then and only then, will any of it be reliable facts.

Until then.......

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Originally posted by zymurgeist

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Originally posted by xXSeraphielX

Well just to help out the OP a little....
http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=190412
 
Perhaps that will help his statements a little. Though the OP should have posted something to backup the statement, it was pretty easy to find from google.
Now, my opinion..... YAY!!!!!!! WOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!
xXSeraphielX

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Ooooo More rumors and conjecture from unnamed sources.
 
As for the SWG was the best evar people I see your Pre CU  fans and raise you 50,000 Pre trammel UO fans. 
Every game has it's adherents. I bet I can even find some who think SWG is the bestest game evar now. Not that they'll  admit it  here.

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Well, it was between 200-250K pre-CU fans; so that's quite a bit more than 50K pre-Trammel UO fans. That being said, looking at how those people were screwed and that game was affected, that was another massive mistake made to another game, not support for what the CU/NGE did to SWG. The fact is, it is unethical to leave with another girl than you went to the party with, and every MMO that has tried this crap has suffered for it.

There are one or two people who feel that SWG is the bestest game evar now, compared with over 250K before. The vast difference in the numbers are quite telling.

By the way, a great amount of what turns out to be true is FIRST reported as rumor and conjecture from unnamed sources. People who only get their information from filtered, 100% sources are usually quite a bit behind.

But again, thanks for sharing the SOE line with us.

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Originally posted by curiousdaoc

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Originally posted by zymurgeist

 
Ooooo More rumors and conjecture from unnamed sources.
 

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Exactly, far from "unofficial" confirmation.
Any hoaxer could have sent slashdot,  or the numerous other sites reporting this "leak", this material and of course they would report it - stirring up more rumors, which is more than like exactly what is happening.
When it comes from an Official Source, then and only then, will any of it be reliable facts.
Until then.......

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NO one is saying it's a fact here, but it is telling how many strangers are making appearances to spew attacks here when he brings this forward. That alone is quite telling.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by curiousdaoc

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Originally posted by zymurgeist

 

 
Ooooo More rumors and conjecture from unnamed sources.
 

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Exactly, far from "unofficial" confirmation.
Any hoaxer could have sent slashdot,  or the numerous other sites reporting this "leak", this material and of course they would report it - stirring up more rumors, which is more than like exactly what is happening.
When it comes from an Official Source, then and only then, will any of it be reliable facts.
Until then.......

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actually that is as close to an "unofficial confirmation" that one can get. Official confirmation would be from a named source within the company.

 

NO one is saying it's a fact here, but it is telling how many strangers are making appearances to spew attacks here when he brings this forward. That alone is quite telling.

 

 

The telling part is that LA nor BIoware is disputing anything.  To disbute this now and then a product launches later would be very bad PR move they really couldn't rebuild from.  The silence speaks volumes.

Originally posted by ummax

In many countries digging through trash is actually a criminal offense and people go to jail for it.  

meh

I will wait to see the authentic information from a "legal" source.   It may be true or not true, but disgruntled employees and a guy who goes to things which where I come from are in fact Illegal I wont put too much stock into if anyone is actually telling the truth to begin with.

What I dont want is a game with one class (jedi) as for the rest like the next guy i'm waiting to see what happens.

On a side note bioware is Canadian and their trash bins are in Canada in some cases.  Its illegal in Canada to do this and something that in fact will get you landed in jail.   So just that has me doubtful..

I violated no criminal laws. Dumpster diving is perfectly legal as long as I dont trespass on private property.

Originally posted by Locklain

 

Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

SWG vets are the only ones who do these things...I have never seen a more hardcore bunch.

You are very correct Sir.  I am not sure why the fans are so rabid because from what I remember SWG was nothing more than sub-par to begin with thus the reason for the CU.

 

There is a very good reason why many are "rabid"

Lots of SWG players were new to MMO's. They came to live and breath inside a virtual universe full of wonderful memories.

I was 7 years old when Star Wars opened in 1977. I'll never forget that experience for as long as I live. I am not alone in this. Thousands of us dreamed of being a simple moister farmer, a droid engineer, a rebel pilot, etc and Star Wars Galaxies gave us that dream. Yes it was buggy but dang it was still living out a dream.

People wont get our rabid love for Star Wars because simply they werent there in 1977. Catching Episode 4 12 years later on HBO isnt the same experience. Especially considering blockbuster movies became the norm along with special effects after Lucas set the bar. In 1977 it was new, stunning, breathtaking what Lucas did.

SWG was more about the ability play in a virtual world rather than any features (or bugs) for many of us. It isnt oten one gets a chance to live and breath in a dream.

And thats why we are continually disappointed with each new MMO launch. LOTRO launches and I buy the game hoping I can be a simple hobbit farm who would never touch a weapon over a pint. When I read about Stargates World I hope they allow me to play a scientist non-combat type. Its all about BEING in the world and creating my own destiny. These silly MMO's after SWG are nothing more than amusement park rides with a predetermined story.

We're angry because for once the developers got it right and made a virtual world rather than a cheesy book Im forced to read. Freedom to choose our own playstyle is what SWG gave us. And now its gone and nobody around seems willing to give us another virtual freedom playground

Originally posted by admriker4

 

Originally posted by Locklain

 

Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

SWG vets are the only ones who do these things...I have never seen a more hardcore bunch.

You are very correct Sir.  I am not sure why the fans are so rabid because from what I remember SWG was nothing more than sub-par to begin with thus the reason for the CU.

 

 

There is a very good reason why many are "rabid"

Lots of SWG players were new to MMO's. They came to live and breath inside a virtual universe full of wonderful memories.

I was 7 years old when Star Wars opened in 1977. I'll never forget that experience for as long as I live. I am not alone in this. Thousands of us dreamed of being a simple moister farmer, a droid engineer, a rebel pilot, etc and Star Wars Galaxies gave us that dream. Yes it was buggy but dang it was still living out a dream.

People wont get our rabid love for Star Wars because simply they werent there in 1977. Catching Episode 4 12 years later on HBO isnt the same experience. Especially considering blockbuster movies became the norm along with special effects after Lucas set the bar. In 1977 it was new, stunning, breathtaking what Lucas did.

SWG was more about the ability play in a virtual world rather than any features (or bugs) for many of us. It isnt oten one gets a chance to live and breath in a dream.

And thats why we are continually disappointed with each new MMO launch. LOTRO launches and I buy the game hoping I can be a simple hobbit farm who would never touch a weapon over a pint. When I read about Stargates World I hope they allow me to play a scientist non-combat type. Its all about BEING in the world and creating my own destiny. These silly MMO's after SWG are nothing more than amusement park rides with a predetermined story.

We're angry because for once the developers got it right and made a virtual world rather than a cheesy book Im forced to read. Freedom to choose our own playstyle is what SWG gave us. And now its gone and nobody around seems willing to give us another virtual freedom playground

Originally posted by admriker4

Reports are filing into several newsdesks now from former Lucas Arts employees that the Bioware / LA mmo is KOTOR 3.

I just want to take this opportunity to remind the good folks here who flamed me, called me a liar, and worse that I was the one who reported this years ago.

Here was the last post of mine from another site...

http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=5582

Maybe now when I report something people will give me the benefit of the doubt.

Like Ive posted before, Bioware and LA started work on the next Star Wars MMO since December 2005 (right after the NGE). They are in a race to get the MMO out to take advantage of marketing the television show.

I still recall the stinging comments when I reported that my brother-in-law scored an interview with Bioware and that he was told the MMO was star wars themed. "Oh they would never tell what the project was" type comments.

When a friend and I did some dumpster diving and found conceptual art renderings at Bioware's Austin studio I was asked to scan /post pics or I was lying. Didnt matter that I had received a letter from Bioware's inhouse Legal team threatening legal action if I showed Bioware's project online.

Anyway its now pretty much confirmed by several bitter ex-employees that Bioware's MMO is based on the Star Wars universe. LA has decided to follow many US corporations and outsource their labor to India and China so they can pay slave wages.

It will be interesting to guage what the current SWG gamers will think of this news. Anyone with an account post this over there please. Im signing up for the vet trial if its still around and gonna spread the word. Our long wait is finally almost over. 

Being a skeptic is a good thing, it makes it harder to be fooled, scammed, or sold crap for example. Skeptics will require solid, unrefutable proof that a KOTOR MMORPG is being made. The only solid thing that can really prove this is an official release or those who know stuff to post undeniable facts that they know what they are talking about.

I can call up somebody and say I am an ex-Bioware employee and know for a fact that KOTOR is what they are working on and make up some stuff that would sound realistic and people would believe it from what I am reading. If I can do that, why can't others? Why believe a person who says there are a prior employee without backing it up with unrefutable evidence?

It's better to be skeptic and turn out wrong, than to believe everything that is told to you.

Originally posted by admriker4

 

Originally posted by ummax

In many countries digging through trash is actually a criminal offense and people go to jail for it.  

meh

I will wait to see the authentic information from a "legal" source.   It may be true or not true, but disgruntled employees and a guy who goes to things which where I come from are in fact Illegal I wont put too much stock into if anyone is actually telling the truth to begin with.

What I dont want is a game with one class (jedi) as for the rest like the next guy i'm waiting to see what happens.

On a side note bioware is Canadian and their trash bins are in Canada in some cases.  Its illegal in Canada to do this and something that in fact will get you landed in jail.   So just that has me doubtful..

In the United States, once trash has been put on th curb to be picked up its considered public domain. I have every right to walk right up to your trash cans in front of you and dig away and you cant do a dam thing about it.

 

I violated no criminal laws. Dumpster diving is perfectly legal as long as I dont trespass on private property.

No, it is not legal in all of the U.S. As I pointed out earlier, in some states, California in my case, it is illegal regardless of whether the trash is on private property or the curb. Until it hits the trash truck, it is still the original owners property and protected as such.

Originally posted by Mokwee

Ok, I dont even play SWG. My main issue is that you said you received a written letter from them to not post anything on the internet about their project?

You found their art drawings in the TRASH! That is public property. So, please explain why you didnt actually post their stuff... Unless you were payed off or given some sort of compensation.

 

Once something is thrown away in the trash... The owner of said property relenquishes any such "hold" on said property.

 

correct me if im wrong? Im just going by what I see

You could have labelled a thread UNOFFICIAL or SUPPOSED or I THINK THIS IS... or something....and scanned the pics....given some sort of proof...or whatever... Thoughts?

It was concept art? So then the creative idea that he would be copying is still their property.  It's very common for game companies to have to threaten that sorta stuff to keep their game under wraps.

Originally posted by tool089

Originally posted by Mokwee

Ok, I dont even play SWG. My main issue is that you said you received a written letter from them to not post anything on the internet about their project?

You found their art drawings in the TRASH! That is public property. So, please explain why you didnt actually post their stuff... Unless you were payed off or given some sort of compensation.

 

Once something is thrown away in the trash... The owner of said property relenquishes any such "hold" on said property.

 

correct me if im wrong? Im just going by what I see

You could have labelled a thread UNOFFICIAL or SUPPOSED or I THINK THIS IS... or something....and scanned the pics....given some sort of proof...or whatever... Thoughts?

It was concept art? So then the creative idea that he would be copying is still their property.  It's very common for game companies to have to threaten that sorta stuff to keep their game under wraps.

Originally posted by admriker4

I still recall the stinging comments when I reported that my brother-in-law scored an interview with Bioware and that he was told the MMO was star wars themed. "Oh they would never tell what the project was" type comments.

I missed the original thread, but as someone who has had job interviews for MMO studios, I can definitely say that it is a situation in which such information would be divulged, but I have always had to sign an NDA upon entering the building, and I imagine your brother-in-law had to do the same. I hope he realised that he was very possibly destroying his chances by talking to you.

Meh.  No such thing as "unofficial confirmation", that means the reports are clearly in the category of rumor and conjecture.

Maybe its true, maybe its not, but OP, why do you feel its necessary to be vindicated in your earlier reports?  Who cares?  You're not an investigative news reporter, heck, you don't even get paid to do it.

Let it go and have some fun in a game you enjoy, and if the next SWG MMO one day comes out, great, maybe it won't suck.

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

 

Originally posted by admriker4

Reports are filing into several newsdesks now from former Lucas Arts employees that the Bioware / LA mmo is KOTOR 3.

I just want to take this opportunity to remind the good folks here who flamed me, called me a liar, and worse that I was the one who reported this years ago.

Here was the last post of mine from another site...

http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=5582

Maybe now when I report something people will give me the benefit of the doubt.

Like Ive posted before, Bioware and LA started work on the next Star Wars MMO since December 2005 (right after the NGE). They are in a race to get the MMO out to take advantage of marketing the television show.

I still recall the stinging comments when I reported that my brother-in-law scored an interview with Bioware and that he was told the MMO was star wars themed. "Oh they would never tell what the project was" type comments.

When a friend and I did some dumpster diving and found conceptual art renderings at Bioware's Austin studio I was asked to scan /post pics or I was lying. Didnt matter that I had received a letter from Bioware's inhouse Legal team threatening legal action if I showed Bioware's project online.

Anyway its now pretty much confirmed by several bitter ex-employees that Bioware's MMO is based on the Star Wars universe. LA has decided to follow many US corporations and outsource their labor to India and China so they can pay slave wages.

It will be interesting to guage what the current SWG gamers will think of this news. Anyone with an account post this over there please. Im signing up for the vet trial if its still around and gonna spread the word. Our long wait is finally almost over. 

You expect us to take your word, when we don't know you from Dick or Jane, and you expect us to believe that these unofficial reports are actually from ex-employee's, who also haven't proved anything. All I see is a whole bunch of talk coming from websites, who are quoting secret sources, without actually confirming anything.

 

Being a skeptic is a good thing, it makes it harder to be fooled, scammed, or sold crap for example. Skeptics will require solid, unrefutable proof that a KOTOR MMORPG is being made. The only solid thing that can really prove this is an official release or those who know stuff to post undeniable facts that they know what they are talking about.

I can call up somebody and say I am an ex-Bioware employee and know for a fact that KOTOR is what they are working on and make up some stuff that would sound realistic and people would believe it from what I am reading. If I can do that, why can't others? Why believe a person who says there are a prior employee without backing it up with unrefutable evidence?

It's better to be skeptic and turn out wrong, than to believe everything that is told to you.

How it works...

First they'll want proof of credentials, ie copy of driver's license, W2 to show where they worked, etc. Some background info as well.

Second, any decent news site (newspaper, internet site, tv, etc) will look for multiple sources to confirm a story. News sites risk liability ith defamation type lawsuits so a second source is critical. Most wont even consider doing a story without confirmation from 2-3 more sources.

Once they have met these two criteria they will write and post the story. Oh and protecting a source applies on the web too. Any good reporter will protect a source from LA's wrath. So fear over violating any NDA isnt an issue as long as the news site doesnt reveal its source (and no court can force them to unless national security is involved).

I can guarantee you that any email sent in was checked, verified, and received multiple confirmation before its data was reported.

Originally posted by Exar_Kun

 

Originally posted by tool089

Originally posted by Mokwee

Ok, I dont even play SWG. My main issue is that you said you received a written letter from them to not post anything on the internet about their project?

You found their art drawings in the TRASH! That is public property. So, please explain why you didnt actually post their stuff... Unless you were payed off or given some sort of compensation.

 

Once something is thrown away in the trash... The owner of said property relenquishes any such "hold" on said property.

 

correct me if im wrong? Im just going by what I see

You could have labelled a thread UNOFFICIAL or SUPPOSED or I THINK THIS IS... or something....and scanned the pics....given some sort of proof...or whatever... Thoughts?

It was concept art? So then the creative idea that he would be copying is still their property.  It's very common for game companies to have to threaten that sorta stuff to keep their game under wraps.

Regardless, all this waiting is pissing me off. It's time they opened their doors and let us see what's inside. Hell, we have heard about this game off and on since March of 2006....WTF PEOPLE!

 

 

That right there is a big clue. Ask yourself this...why all the secrecy ???

Nobody keeps their MMO secret this long. Most in fact report the title, theme, etc before they've even secured funding for development. Bioware is 2.5 years into development (halfway+ to the finish line) and said nothing. Again, why ???

If it was a non-star wars theme MMO there would be no reason for the secrecy. However, a star wars theme MMO would spell the end of Star Wars Galaxies. That game will quickly feel pointless to its community once they finally realize the end is near. Right now they keep paying because they dont see a sunset on the horizon.