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  Lateris

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Joined: 12/29/05
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~perspective~

6/10/08 7:53:32 PM#21

I refuse to support outsourcing of a human beings job so Lucas Arts can kiss my fanboi money goodbye furrrr ever.

  darquenblade

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6/10/08 7:56:01 PM#22

Originally posted by admriker4

No need to argue. this is good news for any of us who lost their game in Nov of 2005. Lets just hope we get something closer to swg pre-cu than wow or nge

Yeah, I agree. You're being civil in your comments, at least--I apologize if I'm coming off a bit harsh. This site tends to bring out the worst in me. I hate it, and to be honest I'm not even sure why I post here anymore.

Anyhow, I still think you're being way too liberal with your definition of what could be pegged as "KOTOR". Think of it from a marketing standpoint. The label they choose to give the game is going to be the one that paints the clearest picture of what to expect.

  admriker4

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OP  6/10/08 8:00:16 PM#23

Originally posted by Shannia

Hey, OP, with all do respect, we get the point.

On the other hand, what unresolved childhood issues do you have that you found it necessary to dumpster dive LA/Bioware garbage cans to prove yourself correct?  We are after all talking about just a game.  Yet, you went to these extremes to prove yourself correct.  Freud would have us believe it has something to do with your desires for your mother which we won't go into here.  Masters and Johnson would have us believe that this has something to do with a lack of breast feeding resulting in a lack of attachment to your mother.  Either way, we do need some psycho-analysis on this subject.  You have a deep need for acceptance in an online forum which is disturbing, at best.

I don't mean any disrespect to you here.  I am concerned for your mental well being.

 

Im just fine thanks.

Okay so now that we've acknowledged I was right all along, lets ignore that and focus on my apparent unstable mental status because I looked inside a dumpster ???

Its a well documented and accepted practice of any good journalist to look in trash cans to prove or disprove something. I picked that up in college, I was a PR and Ad major but took several journalism courses in the communications dept.

I know bail bondsmen that dig in trash as well for information. Journalists do this. So do police. Even attorneys seeking dirt on their foes (divorce). You'd be surprised at what you can learn from someone's trash.

 

  admriker4

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"Give me control of a nation''s money and I care not who makes the laws"
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OP  6/10/08 8:05:18 PM#24

Originally posted by darquenblade

 

Originally posted by admriker4

No need to argue. this is good news for any of us who lost their game in Nov of 2005. Lets just hope we get something closer to swg pre-cu than wow or nge

Yeah, I agree. You're being civil in your comments, at least--I apologize if I'm coming off a bit harsh. This site tends to bring out the worst in me. I hate it, and to be honest I'm not even sure why I post here anymore.

 

Anyhow, I still think you're being way too liberal with your definition of what could be pegged as "KOTOR". Think of it from a marketing standpoint. The label they choose to give the game is going to be the one that paints the clearest picture of what to expect.

The ex-employee used the term KOTOR 3, not me. For all we know he was just using it as a generic term or it really is a sequel to the KOTOR series but set in a MMO.

All I know for sure is that its definitely star wars themed.

  darquenblade

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6/10/08 8:05:26 PM#25

I should point out though, is that if you would have spent a quarter of the energy researching the type of MMO this is going to be as opposed to figuring out its IP, you'd have come to the realization that it will be nothing like pre-cu Star Wars: Galaxies.

  admriker4

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Posts: 1076

"Give me control of a nation''s money and I care not who makes the laws"
Mayer Rothschild

 
OP  6/10/08 8:12:20 PM#26

Originally posted by darquenblade

I should point out though, is that if you would have spent a quarter of the energy researching the type of MMO this is going to be as opposed to figuring out its IP, you'd have come to the realization that it will be nothing like pre-cu Star Wars: Galaxies.

I have looked into that as well. Based on what Bioware's devs have stated on their forums, I tend to believe its going to be linear-quest based game with a deep story line. That translates to me as nothing like SWG pre-cu.

Those guys made reference to world of warcraft several times praising features of that game. So odds are it will have similiarities to World of Warcraft.

I just hope they can take the best of KOTOR and combine it with elements of an open seamless world with lots of freedom like pre-cu offered.

I loved pre-cu. I found parts of WoW enjoyable enough to play it for 2 yrs (on and off). I see no reason why a combo of the two wouldnt work (if thats what theyre doing)

I just hope it isnt anything like Age of Conan. That game took the linear elements and instancing to the  extreme.

  Shannia

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Joined: 11/06/05
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"World of WarCraft is held alive solely by the mediocrity of competing products." RendRegen

6/10/08 9:27:05 PM#27

Originally posted by admriker4

 

Originally posted by Shannia

Hey, OP, with all do respect, we get the point.

On the other hand, what unresolved childhood issues do you have that you found it necessary to dumpster dive LA/Bioware garbage cans to prove yourself correct?  We are after all talking about just a game.  Yet, you went to these extremes to prove yourself correct.  Freud would have us believe it has something to do with your desires for your mother which we won't go into here.  Masters and Johnson would have us believe that this has something to do with a lack of breast feeding resulting in a lack of attachment to your mother.  Either way, we do need some psycho-analysis on this subject.  You have a deep need for acceptance in an online forum which is disturbing, at best.

I don't mean any disrespect to you here.  I am concerned for your mental well being.

 

 

Im just fine thanks.

Okay so now that we've acknowledged I was right all along, lets ignore that and focus on my apparent unstable mental status because I looked inside a dumpster ???

Its a well documented and accepted practice of any good journalist to look in trash cans to prove or disprove something. I picked that up in college, I was a PR and Ad major but took several journalism courses in the communications dept.

I know bail bondsmen that dig in trash as well for information. Journalists do this. So do police. Even attorneys seeking dirt on their foes (divorce). You'd be surprised at what you can learn from someone's trash.

 

Ok, honest question.

Did you do the dumpster diving to prove yourself right on official forums or were you employed in a capacity where you were on assignment to get to the bottom of the story?

For the record, I never take developer words on anything especially when they make a statement like, "we'll never work with LA on another project."  Ya, right.  If George Lucas wants to pay Bioware $100 million to make them the next Star Wars MMORPG, Bioware is gonna jump all over that money. 

Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."

  ArcAngel3

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6/10/08 10:49:48 PM#28

Originally posted by Shannia

Hey, OP, with all do respect, we get the point.

On the other hand, what unresolved childhood issues do you have that you found it necessary to dumpster dive LA/Bioware garbage cans to prove yourself correct?  We are after all talking about just a game.  Yet, you went to these extremes to prove yourself correct.  Freud would have us believe it has something to do with your desires for your mother which we won't go into here.  Masters and Johnson would have us believe that this has something to do with a lack of breast feeding resulting in a lack of attachment to your mother.  Either way, we do need some psycho-analysis on this subject.  You have a deep need for acceptance in an online forum which is disturbing, at best.

I don't mean any disrespect to you here.  I am concerned for your mental well being.

 


Actually the attachment theory you reference likely originates with Bowlby.  Freud's stages of pyscho-sexual development were skewed by his refusal to take reports of sexual abuse at face value.  Masters and Johnson did the once famous, now out-dated survey of sexual practices, using what is widely believed to have been an unrepresentative sample of the general population.  Still some of their pioneering efforts yielded data that helped address some forms of sexual dysfunction.

I think it's probably more helpful to leave psychoanalysis to someone who has actually met the OP.  Your manner of addressing him comes across as condescending, not helpful, in my opinion.  Maybe you had his best interest at heart, but it doesn't come across that way, to me at least.

Frankly everyone has a deep need for acceptance in my experience.  If the OP thought that need would be met here, I'm sure he now knows better.  Maybe he's just wanting to show people that their criticism of his earlier post was unwarranted?  Beats me, probably like you, I've never met the guy.  Don't even know if he's a guy actually lol.

As for news about KOTOR 3, I'll be keeping my ears open.  My kids are just finishing KOTOR 2, and we've all enjoyed the series very much.  Gotta love former employees who leak things to the public :)

 

  Shannia

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6/11/08 12:14:32 AM#29

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

 

Originally posted by Shannia

Hey, OP, with all do respect, we get the point.

On the other hand, what unresolved childhood issues do you have that you found it necessary to dumpster dive LA/Bioware garbage cans to prove yourself correct?  We are after all talking about just a game.  Yet, you went to these extremes to prove yourself correct.  Freud would have us believe it has something to do with your desires for your mother which we won't go into here.  Masters and Johnson would have us believe that this has something to do with a lack of breast feeding resulting in a lack of attachment to your mother.  Either way, we do need some psycho-analysis on this subject.  You have a deep need for acceptance in an online forum which is disturbing, at best.

I don't mean any disrespect to you here.  I am concerned for your mental well being.

 


Actually the attachment theory you reference likely originates with Bowlby.  Freud's stages of pyscho-sexual development were skewed by his refusal to take reports of sexual abuse at face value.  Masters and Johnson did the once famous, now out-dated survey of sexual practices, using what is widely believed to have been an unrepresentative sample of the general population.  Still some of their pioneering efforts yielded data that helped address some forms of sexual dysfunction.

 

I think it's probably more helpful to leave psychoanalysis to someone who has actually met the OP.  Your manner of addressing him comes across as condescending, not helpful, in my opinion.  Maybe you had his best interest at heart, but it doesn't come across that way, to me at least.

Frankly everyone has a deep need for acceptance in my experience.  If the OP thought that need would be met here, I'm sure he now knows better.  Maybe he's just wanting to show people that their criticism of his earlier post was unwarranted?  Beats me, probably like you, I've never met the guy.  Don't even know if he's a guy actually lol.

As for news about KOTOR 3, I'll be keeping my ears open.  My kids are just finishing KOTOR 2, and we've all enjoyed the series very much.  Gotta love former employees who leak things to the public :)

 

Exactly my point. 

That is why I said some analysis is needed.  I'm not into the social sciences and I don't pretend to be.   My concern is for the OP and his/her need for acceptance on the forums.  That is why I made a follow-up question as to his/her need to see the task through.  I do not doubt the OP's need for acceptance at all.  We all need acceptance.  However, unless I'm dumpster diving for my employer, I don't think I'd ever consider doing that to prove myself right for a hobby.

Seriously, dumpster diving to prove a point.  Depending on the jurisdiction, a person could get sued for dumpster diving.  You also have your health to think about.  Think of tetnus from scratches just getting in and out of the dumpster.  Then you have who knows what you can catch from the animals that crawl in and out of dumpsters.  To top that off, you never know if someone with AIDS dumped their needles into the dumpster and you could prick yourself on accident.  The list goes on.

I could be wrong here, but unless you are a professional, I don't believe you'd have the necessary gear to protect yourself for anything that could pop up with dumpster diving just to prove a point.   Is it that important to be accepted in society that you'd put yourself at risk to that level just to prove yourself right for a hobby? 

Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."

  kefkah

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6/11/08 1:39:44 PM#30

Frankly, I applaud his actions and tenacity. While he may be a maverick and on certain occasions, we have not seen eye to eye - still he has done what many forum posters or people with a cause will not do. Instead on sitting on his butt yapping away about what other people post and preach, he went out a did it.

Its easy to be an armchair quarterback and tout so called "insider knowledge" via second or third hand info. Its much harder to actually gather info and research it. Digging in dumpsters? Yeah, its not for me but I will shake the hand (after sanitizing it) of the man who actually is willing to go to such lengths for information.

He deserves his due.

/Cheers

Darn shame, it will be a child of WoW, though.

  Realm-Reaper

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Need a game that will allow me to Rob and Kill other players...can I Rape the corpse aswell?

6/11/08 2:17:44 PM#31

SWG vets are the only ones who do these things...I have never seen a more hardcore bunch.

  Locklain

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6/11/08 2:31:30 PM#32

Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

SWG vets are the only ones who do these things...I have never seen a more hardcore bunch.

You are very correct Sir.  I am not sure why the fans are so rabid because from what I remember SWG was nothing more than sub-par to begin with thus the reason for the CU.

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  Exar_Kun

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6/11/08 5:30:44 PM#33
Originally posted by Locklain

 

Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

SWG vets are the only ones who do these things...I have never seen a more hardcore bunch.

You are very correct Sir.  I am not sure why the fans are so rabid because from what I remember SWG was nothing more than sub-par to begin with thus the reason for the CU.

 


Well speaking as one of those "rabid fans", it was the best game I ever played. It was a game that I could never get tired of...ever! Even today I still feel phantom pain from the loss of such a badass game. I Would do almost anything to get it back.

  TookyG

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6/11/08 6:17:26 PM#34
Originally posted by Exar_Kun
Originally posted by Locklain

 

Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

SWG vets are the only ones who do these things...I have never seen a more hardcore bunch.

You are very correct Sir.  I am not sure why the fans are so rabid because from what I remember SWG was nothing more than sub-par to begin with thus the reason for the CU.

 


Well speaking as one of those "rabid fans", it was the best game I ever played. It was a game that I could never get tired of...ever! Even today I still feel phantom pain from the loss of such a badass game. I Would do almost anything to get it back.


Same here.  Makes me want to punch someone when I really think about a great game was completely and utterly destroyed.

Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.

  User Deleted
6/11/08 6:28:12 PM#35
Originally posted by Mokwee

Ok, I dont even play SWG. My main issue is that you said you received a written letter from them to not post anything on the internet about their project?

You found their art drawings in the TRASH! That is public property. So, please explain why you didnt actually post their stuff... Unless you were payed off or given some sort of compensation.

 

Once something is thrown away in the trash... The owner of said property relenquishes any such "hold" on said property.

 

correct me if im wrong? Im just going by what I see

You could have labelled a thread UNOFFICIAL or SUPPOSED or I THINK THIS IS... or something....and scanned the pics....given some sort of proof...or whatever... Thoughts?

Well, since you ask for corrections if you're wrong, figured I'd tell you. Believe it or not, trash is still the property of it's owner.  In fact, you can be arrested for "dumpster diving" and even theft if you are caught and the owner presses charges. Of course, this is here in California, your mileage may vary.

Also, for those bringing up that bioware swore to never work with LA again, Bioware is not its own company now. Bioware is EA, and EA never said anything about never working with LA. Bioware makes no decision on whom they work for or with now.

  Fishermage

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6/11/08 6:29:54 PM#36

well, I never doubted you, I took your statements as always quite plausable and it looks like ya might end up being right.

Good work either way.

  Fishermage

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6/11/08 6:40:26 PM#37


Originally posted by darquenblade

Originally posted by admriker4

 


Originally posted by darquenblade

So what about the fact that when you originally posted your dumpster findings a few months back, you told everyone that the concept art you found was of characters from the upcoming Clone Wars TV series?
I love how you constantly twist and bend your stories around to fit whatever the current hot rumor happens to be.
Change the story enough times and it's bound to be right eventually, I guess.



Actually I never once said anything about the characters being clone wars toons. I simply described what I saw and other posters stated who they were. And yes it does seem they were clone wars avatars.
 
Also, your confusing the term KOTOR as meaning a timeline before episode 1. KOTOR 3 could mean any timeline. And considering LA has a television show set between episode 3 and 4 (clone wars) it would make perfect sense that Bioware's latest MMO is set in the same timeline.
Im not calling the MMO KOTOR 3 cause frankly too many people keep thinking that means Old Republix timeline. That term was used by an ex-LA employee. Nevertheless, it is a Star Wars theme MMO so forget the semantics.
I reported truthfully 2+ years ago about a star wars Bioware led MMO. Some ex-LA employees have come forward to state that yes Bioware's MMO is Star Wars themed.
I feel vindicated despite what you may think because I know Im right and the evidence keeps mounting. There will be another Star Wars MMO


No shit Sherlock. I'm not saying that there won't be, and I never did. Go ahead and research my posts if you want--I've always believed that BioWare's MMO was Star Wars related. What irks me is that you have to act as though you had all these official connections telling you this was the case. What about when you were claiming that you had proof from an anonymous source that BioWare was extremely interested in SWG's pre-cu code base? You're rumors are all inconsistent with one another.
You're also being waaaay too flexible with the "KOTOR" name. If the game coming out is labeled as a KOTOR 3, or has KOTOR in the title at all, it will be based around the general timeline that the first two games were, because that's what would be expected given the name. Anything else would be misleading. If it took place in the Clone Wars era, don't you think the disgruntled employee would have called it a Clone Wars MMO, and not a KOTOR MMO?
Whatever. I've said this MMO was Star Wars the entire time as well--on here as well as BioWare's forums. I just didn't try to make my guesses sound like they were coming from the horses mouth.

The clone wars is the last chapter in the KOTOR era. It leads to the collapse of the OR (old republic) and the birth of the Empire.

So technically a clone wars MMO would also be a KOTOR MMO. It all depends on one's point of view.

  Fishermage

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6/11/08 6:50:16 PM#38


Originally posted by Shannia
Hey, OP, with all do respect, we get the point.
On the other hand, what unresolved childhood issues do you have that you found it necessary to dumpster dive LA/Bioware garbage cans to prove yourself correct?  We are after all talking about just a game.  Yet, you went to these extremes to prove yourself correct.  Freud would have us believe it has something to do with your desires for your mother which we won't go into here.  Masters and Johnson would have us believe that this has something to do with a lack of breast feeding resulting in a lack of attachment to your mother.  Either way, we do need some psycho-analysis on this subject.  You have a deep need for acceptance in an online forum which is disturbing, at best.
I don't mean any disrespect to you here.  I am concerned for your mental well being.
 


Sorry, I highly doubt your sincerity here. If you were honestly concerned with anyone's mental well being, you certainly wouldn't be so mean, vicious and cold-blooded to post such on an internet forum. Much more likely you were just engaging in personal aggrandisement through the flaming of others, displaying a terrible insecurity complex, as well as a need for attention, which quite possibly results from a lack of attention from your mother.

  korvix

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6/11/08 6:52:40 PM#39

Congrats, you get a internet cookie. Now go out side and ride a bike and stop carring what people say on a internet forum lol.

Also, Dumpster Diving is against the law where I am, if  the OP really did that on their properity  and Bioware did get word of him having concept art or anything that he got while breaking the law, I believe he was threated with law suets. Now, if you followed the truck and dived for goodies later on in public dump or what have you...prolly could have got away with posting them.

I sure hope the OP is right, I want a Star Wars MMO that doesnt suck so bad.

~HappyGaming

 

  Fishermage

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6/11/08 6:58:08 PM#40


Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

SWG vets are the only ones who do these things...I have never seen a more hardcore bunch.


You are very correct Sir.  I am not sure why the fans are so rabid because from what I remember SWG was nothing more than sub-par to begin with thus the reason for the CU.

Thank you for checking in with the SOE Official Party line. Herr Smedley will be well please with you for helping to spread his many falsehoods.

Actually, it was the best game ever made but managed HORRIBLY by a sub-par companythat used the CU to shift blame from Smedley's mismanagement to Koster's design. That failed, which led to another blameshift to WoW, which wasthe reason for the NGE.

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