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Lienhart  5/14/08 3:29:49 AM

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Anyone remember Lineage 2? Remember open beta? Remember the OBVIOUS BOTS?! Remember everyone spamming on the forums? Remember how 3 months into Lineage 2 they were still ignoring us? Remember the KISS/LOVE individuals who only spoke in mandarin pingyin killing everyone who came near them?

Are you guys going to IP China this time? And do you plan to actually do something about the bots? As of now, Lineage 2 is bot heaven. The entire game is filled with obvious bots and the devs literally do not give a rats ass. I do not understand why, and it's the reason why I'm on private servers.

Do the devs plan to kill this game as well?

 
Datcyde  5/14/08 5:43:38 AM

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Its only a game until you lose !

 Yes there will be but  i hope its not as blatant.

 
Teala  5/14/08 5:47:32 AM

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I suspect just like Lineage II, Aion will have hordes of gold farmers.   All these games have gold farmers.   You're just going to have to get use to them.  They are simply part of the genre now.  

Ephimero  5/14/08 6:05:59 AM

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Farmers in Aion won't ever have the influence they have in L2. it's game design and features make it way harder. Lineage II is the proper game for farmers: Repetitive long grind with free pvp, yes, but with consequences, which makes it quite easy for bots/farmers to go around and make money, the high dependance on money in L2 in order to do anything makes them more successful, plus the entirely player based economy, with no binds...everything can be obtained by buying adena in ebay. Aion sure offers innovative ways, and some others that have already been seen, in order to make it harder for RMT companies and bots:

Aion has a non negative consequences FFA pvp area, bots cant walk freely around the best pve zones. 2 out of the 3 kinds of gear (the 2 best ones) are not approached through killing mobs or money, draconian gear is obtained from the mobs in the abyss, bots can't go there for effective farming, cause they'd get ganked in no time, and abyssal gear is obtained only through pvp.

A pair of old interviews state that mobs grow stronger as you kill them, they will keep spawning stronger and stronger to the point they would kill you if you don't change zone, those wouldn't be good news for bots, pitifuly, we haven't heard about this lately, so it might have been dropped.

What Im trying to say is that Aion will have the same RMT problems as any other successful game, AoC, WoW, WAR or whatever. Can't count to see something like L2 since it was a special game which made it quite easy for RMT, its not that NCsoft didn't care, its that they, imho, were overwhelmed cause the game was a bots paradise (source code was leaked) and NCNA wasn't big enough to take care of that issue back then. Right now I have a pair of friends in Luna (new L2 server) and they are telling me NC is doing some mass bans, many "factor" people getting banned due to reports.


KatzuAion  5/14/08 6:58:19 AM

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Well, As long as the GM'S are quick or banning bots, or the Game Programmers, think in a system that will not allow the usage of bots, guess it will be partially ok.


OFC there's always one or two in this process.

 
Lienhart  5/14/08 4:42:32 PM

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Originally posted by Teala

I suspect just like Lineage II, Aion will have hordes of gold farmers.   All these games have gold farmers.   You're just going to have to get use to them.  They are simply part of the genre now.  

I know, but I swear to God that NCSoft (the Lineage 2 team at least) has a contract with the adena farmers. It's a well known fact that people get flamed for mentioning about bots.

No, we're not going to live with them. Square-Enix took it's slow ass time to start banning bots, but they sure as hell saved the economy. Lineage 2, psh, it doesn't do crap.

The way I see it is quite simply, either they deal with bots with the way Blizzard does (massive bans each month) or 80% of the player base is going to private servers, and I KNOW there will be private servers.

 
Vandal783  5/14/08 7:37:48 PM

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All mmo's are gonna have "gold farmers" so its inevitable. In regards to the ineage 2 reference I beleive I read in one of these articles that they've learned from that and are supposedly taking steps to prevent it in Aion

 
Jerriescids  5/15/08 12:53:03 AM

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There is a difference between farmers and what lineage 2 had.. Why? Because they CRIPPLED the gameplay. The entire economy was trashed.. Look at games like WoW.. Are there bots? Sure.. Did they effect the economy the same way as Lineage 2? No... No.. A thousand times no. But unless you played Lineage 2 during its bot phase.. And it looks like most of you did.. Don't even KID that your going to compare it other games and say things like "Da... Every-game has farmers"

 
LordRelic  5/15/08 1:03:00 AM

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thats the thing the L2 devs have a saying " we want the players to make the world there own" ie if you want to bot you can bot.... i have had many devs tell me this when complaining to them. So if they have the same attitude in Aion then were screwed

 
Sentime  5/15/08 11:46:39 PM

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Originally posted by Lienhart

 

Originally posted by Teala

I suspect just like Lineage II, Aion will have hordes of gold farmers.   All these games have gold farmers.   You're just going to have to get use to them.  They are simply part of the genre now.  

 

I know, but I swear to God that NCSoft (the Lineage 2 team at least) has a contract with the adena farmers. It's a well known fact that people get flamed for mentioning about bots.

 

Pretty much.  Aion will be the same. Looks sexy though.