General Discussion

Originally posted by Zindaihas

 

 

You believe in a lot of misconceptions.  One - that God is a tryant and two - that the Bible is borrowed from "other" sources.  The Bible comes solely and completely from God.  But again, although there is overwhelming evidence to support this, it is another matter that ultimately must be accepted by faith.

study up on some ancient history and religion before you try to make facts from statements that have not and never will be proven... It is like the game they played in school you whisper a word in someones ear and byt the time it makes it around the entire room the word has changed completely.. well i am more likely to believe the stories that started it, not the end one simply because it was heresay. The older the information the more likely it is to be the correct version.  And the bible states that he is a jealous god, jealousy being a sin by "thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife" makes him a hypocryte. If that is not a tyrant then please explain to me what is. I have read both the english version of the king james version and translated the hebrew version.. and they do not match even more so hsa been lost in the king james version than the one they started with as well. I do not blindly follow the herd as they  run off the cliff to their deaths... i look ahead for myself and make up my own mind... Educate yourself, don;t blindly follow anything.

I think that this is a fairly easy question to answer.

Obviously, people who DO believe in God, would change their way of living, especailly depending on which religion you were...Buddhists would see a slight change, i think, if it was proven that all things are naturalistic...Whereas Christians and Jews would, by in large, change dramatically.  Of course I am speaking in generalities here, so don't get on me about not speaking for individual circumstance.

As for the atheists...why would they change?  They live under a presupposition just as all religion followers do, the only difference is that their presupposition would be proven to be correct...so would they live their lives differently?  Not fundamentaly, but they'd probably be pretty snooty about it :)

As for me, of course I would...Do you think that I LIKE trying to live a life that is Christ like?  Well, that's a loaded question because while it is a very difficult thing to do that most people would not understand, it is also the most fulfilling thing that I have ever experienced.  I would live my life differently, would I become a bad person and start looting stores and raping women?  Well, I probably would be more apt to just taking things that I wanted (not necessarily stealing and certainly not raping, but I certainly wouldn't have the question lingering in the back of my mind "is this something that God would accept?"

I think that my position is fairly middle of the ground here....I don't think that you would find a lot of people who genuinely wish that they didn't believe in God so that they could go around sinning as they wished...you would find some, but then again, those people have faith for the wrong reasons...Fear of the Lord isn't supposed ot be fear of hell, it's supposed to be an awe of God's power...That's what the origional intent with that phrase was, but now it's mostly used by anger fathers who want to "put the fear of God" into their daughter's boyfriends.

Originally posted by Draenor

I think that this is a fairly easy question to answer.

Obviously, people who DO believe in God, would change their way of living, especailly depending on which religion you were...Buddhists would see a slight change, i think, if it was proven that all things are naturalistic...Whereas Christians and Jews would, by in large, change dramatically.  Of course I am speaking in generalities here, so don't get on me about not speaking for individual circumstance.

As for the atheists...why would they change?  They live under a presupposition just as all religion followers do, the only difference is that their presupposition would be proven to be correct...so would they live their lives differently?  Not fundamentaly, but they'd probably be pretty snooty about it :)

 

As for me, of course I would...Do you think that I LIKE trying to live a life that is Christ like?  Well, that's a loaded question because while it is a very difficult thing to do that most people would not understand, it is also the most fulfilling thing that I have ever experienced.  I would live my life differently, would I become a bad person and start looting stores and raping women?  Well, I probably would be more apt to just taking things that I wanted (not necessarily stealing and certainly not raping, but I certainly wouldn't have the question lingering in the back of my mind "is this something that God would accept?"

I think that my position is fairly middle of the ground here....I don't think that you would find a lot of people who genuinely wish that they didn't believe in God so that they could go around sinning as they wished...you would find some, but then again, those people have faith for the wrong reasons...Fear of the Lord isn't supposed ot be fear of hell, it's supposed to be an awe of God's power...That's what the origional intent with that phrase was, but now it's mostly used by anger fathers who want to "put the fear of God" into their daughter's boyfriends.

I would guess that any believer in god, that would act  that way with or without him would have no place in his heaven anyways.. so it would not matter either way.  People do not need a god to simply do things to make the world a better place for all who dwell on it.  The belief in god has nothing to do with whether or not someone decides to do good things or bad... it is in them to begin with. If they have these thoughts and are not acting on them simply because of their fear of god, they need not worry.. there will be no place in his heaven for them anyways. ps the hebrew transaltion  for "on his hand and forehead" can also  be translated into "in your mind and what you have done." pss. even a child will be known for what they have done"

I'd be all like "LOL U WERE WRONG I WUZ RIGHT"  @ all of the Christians, but then the fanatics in the south would probably bludgeon me to death with bibles that they can't even read.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

I'd be all like "LOL U WERE WRONG I WUZ RIGHT"  @ all of the Christians, but then the fanatics in the south would probably bludgeon me to death with bibles that they can't even read.

 

LOL!! so true.. I live in Texas.. My grandmother has worked for a southern babtist church since she was 12... but their bibles aren;t what you have to worry about .. she packs a glock 9.

Originally posted by deviliscious 

study up on some ancient history and religion before you try to make facts from statements that have not and never will be proven... It is like the game they played in school you whisper a word in someones ear and byt the time it makes it around the entire room the word has changed completely.. well i am more likely to believe the stories that started it, not the end one simply because it was heresay. The older the information the more likely it is to be the correct version.  And the bible states that he is a jealous god, jealousy being a sin by "thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife" makes him a hypocryte. If that is not a tyrant then please explain to me what is. I have read both the english version of the king james version and translated the hebrew version.. and they do not match even more so hsa been lost in the king james version than the one they started with as well. I do not blindly follow the herd as they  run off the cliff to their deaths... i look ahead for myself and make up my own mind... Educate yourself, don;t blindly follow anything.

Well if they have not nor ever will be proven, then how can you claim your statements are the correct ones?  Interestingly, you offer no evidence support your theory.

But it's ironic that the museum in Israel which houses the Dead Sea Scroll Book of Isaiah recently put that manuscript on display for the public to view.  Why is ironic?  Because it is evidence against your claim of how the biblical account has evolved over time.  Discovered in 1947, this text has been dated to roughly 125 B.C.  The previously oldest surviving Book of Isaiah is from 900 A.D., a thousand years later.  Upon its discovery, biblical experts examined the two documents to compare their accuracy.  This is what they found:

"Of the 166 words in Isaiah 53, there are only seventeen letters in question.  Ten of these letters are simply a matter of spelling, which does not affect the sense.  Four more letter are minor stylistic changes, such as conjunctions.  The remaining three letters comprise the word "light," which is added in verse 11, and does not affect the meaning greatly." - Evidence that Demands a Verdict (chapter 4).

Amazing how the story did not change in such a primitive environment in a thousand years.

Originally posted by Draenor

I think that this is a fairly easy question to answer.

Obviously, people who DO believe in God, would change their way of living, especailly depending on which religion you were...Buddhists would see a slight change, i think, if it was proven that all things are naturalistic...Whereas Christians and Jews would, by in large, change dramatically.  Of course I am speaking in generalities here, so don't get on me about not speaking for individual circumstance.

As for the atheists...why would they change?  They live under a presupposition just as all religion followers do, the only difference is that their presupposition would be proven to be correct...so would they live their lives differently?  Not fundamentaly, but they'd probably be pretty snooty about it :)

 

As for me, of course I would...Do you think that I LIKE trying to live a life that is Christ like?  Well, that's a loaded question because while it is a very difficult thing to do that most people would not understand, it is also the most fulfilling thing that I have ever experienced.  I would live my life differently, would I become a bad person and start looting stores and raping women?  Well, I probably would be more apt to just taking things that I wanted (not necessarily stealing and certainly not raping, but I certainly wouldn't have the question lingering in the back of my mind "is this something that God would accept?"

I think that my position is fairly middle of the ground here....I don't think that you would find a lot of people who genuinely wish that they didn't believe in God so that they could go around sinning as they wished...you would find some, but then again, those people have faith for the wrong reasons...Fear of the Lord isn't supposed ot be fear of hell, it's supposed to be an awe of God's power...That's what the origional intent with that phrase was, but now it's mostly used by anger fathers who want to "put the fear of God" into their daughter's boyfriends.

Not to pry, but are you protestant or catholic? If you're catholic then there isn't any contradiction since you will be judged by your works. If you're protestant then you've got a problem because only the damned feel oppressed by God's laws. The elect are just naturally God fearing, of course.

If there was no God, there would be no right or wrong, and I could logically argue myself into just following my primal urges, figuring that without a God, I should just follow my nature, self-control would be pointless.

Mind you, I am not moral out of fear of hell, but rather out of love for God.