WAR (Warhammer Online)

Your version of Hardcore / Casual is only baalanced as Raiders vs Everyone else which is NOT what Hardcore generally means.

 God raiders..can't figure anything out without someone directing them on how to do things.

Originally posted by elvenangel

Your version of Hardcore / Casual is only baalanced as Raiders vs Everyone else which is NOT what Hardcore generally means.

 God raiders..can't figure anything out without someone directing them on how to do things.

Please enlighten us as to what gameplay systems you have developed that cater to everyone. All I hear is whining and no solutions.

  So if a MMO had hardcore raiding that rewarded players with the best gear, yet you could go out into the wilderness and kill a mob or chop down trees that gave the same rewards, would you be happy? or if the rewards were crap compared to what hard work gives you, would you still complain?

   Or do we just do away with all pre-concieved notions of what End game should be and invent something that will only make players want to log on for an hour instead of wasting their lives in front of a monitor?

   The addicitive nature of MMO's and promises of great rewards that set you apart from other players is what MMO's are all about. Maybe instead of raiding for 4 hours a night you would have:

"Kill 100,000 Murlocs"

Reward: Tier 6 helm.   Or wait grinding is hardcore to. hell questing is hardcore to. Shit anything that takes longer to do than the time I have allotted for gaming is hardcore.

   I hope war uses casual as cannon fodder and rewards them with better gear just for dying more than anyone on the battle field. Shut em up somewhow.

   Why dont you casual players stop whining and Defend Halaa so us hardcore players can get the World Buff as were grinding Badge Gear? I mean Blizzard went so far as to supply gear that is just as good as most Tier 5 through doing Heroic non-raid dungeons and you still complain. They even removed the attunement quests to enter into any raid dungeon(making it less hardcore)  Actually, I should just form all of my statements in non-question form, because I wont get answers to anything, just whining.

  Actually if all the raids were designed like Karazahn(10 man - easy mode) everyone would be happier.

If you ask a hardcore raiding guild if they enjoy spending 4-5 hours wiping in a instance to get one piece of loot they will tell you no, but that time and effort into building up your guild to get better gear is what drives them.

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Originally posted by XImpalerX
      MMORPG's will always reward long term players who have put the most time in.
    Take someone who has practiced guitar 6 hours a day ,7 days a week, for 1 year. Hes hardcore.
Take someone who plays guitar 1 hour a day, 2 days a week, 1 year. He's Casual
 
  Assuming both are equally gifted, the hardcore player  will progress faster in his training over the casual.
Casual says to Hardcore "Hey thats not fair, just because you trained harder than me, doesnt mean you should be better than me. Boo-Hoo." Your right here you go well give you a pass.
 

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I have no problem with people being good because of practice.

I do have a problem with people who are "Raiders" mainly the WoW crowd that think there better than anyone else because they Raid. People that dont pvp that think there good? People that look down on me because I dont devote loads of RL time to something that wont directly improve my quality of life?

Just out of curiosity, what mmos youve played? Seriously played.
Which ones were your favortie?

Originally posted by logangregor

 

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Originally posted by XImpalerX
      MMORPG's will always reward long term players who have put the most time in.
    Take someone who has practiced guitar 6 hours a day ,7 days a week, for 1 year. Hes hardcore.
Take someone who plays guitar 1 hour a day, 2 days a week, 1 year. He's Casual
 
  Assuming both are equally gifted, the hardcore player  will progress faster in his training over the casual.
Casual says to Hardcore "Hey thats not fair, just because you trained harder than me, doesnt mean you should be better than me. Boo-Hoo." Your right here you go well give you a pass.
 

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I have no problem with people being good because of practice.

I do have a problem with people who are "Raiders" mainly the WoW crowd that think there better than anyone else because they Raid. People that dont pvp that think there good? People that look down on me because I dont devote loads of RL time to something that wont directly improve my quality of life?

Just out of curiosity, what mmos youve played? Seriously played.
Which ones were your favortie?

   Seriously played as in 1 year or more in order EQ, DAoC, Lineage 2, WoW'

I have tested just about every other MMO on the market for months at a time, before uninstalling.

Out of those Lineage 2 was the most hardcore I ever played. And yes when your in the top tier in Lineage 2, you are a walking god. Which is what is lacking from WoW. Everyone is balanced and happy go lucky..wel except the "casual" players.

   I guess when you start to get a little older you start to dissect games and see them for what they truly are, instead of when your a kid and a teenager, they are a magical journey for you.

  Once the magic out of gaming in your life has come and gone it takes something really special(like when WoW launched) to make you all giddy inside. I honestly wish there wasnt an end game.

  Just unlimited character advancement. I like to level up and gain new skills/spells forever.

Originally posted by XImpalerX

   I hope war uses casual as cannon fodder and rewards them with better gear just for dying more than anyone on the battle field. Shut em up somewhow.

   Why dont you casual players stop whining and Defend Halaa so us hardcore players can get the World Buff as were grinding Badge Gear? I mean Blizzard went so far as to supply gear that is just as good as most Tier 5 through doing Heroic non-raid dungeons and you still complain.

While I find your constant whining and crying about casuals "whining" somewhat amusing (since it's hardcore raiders who do all the whining and crying), it is amazing how ignorant you are to simple economics.  We're supposed to be impressed because you have 6+ hours a day to waste watching youtube videos to see how to down a boss, farm mats and maybe get in 3-4 hours of raiding?  You honestly think Blizzard wants to say goodbye to 90% of their customer base because 2 hours or less per day isn't hardcore enough for you?

Try not to min/max so much, people aren't saying, "don't have gear" or "gear shouldn't matter."  They're saying don't make daily time invested >>> skill.  Casuals don't want handouts, they want to be competitive. 

It sounds like you enjoy WoW hopefully you'll stay there, after all the "casuals who enjoy PvP" migrate over to Warhammer you can enjoy your game without us...

Originally posted by AerthanTN

 

Originally posted by XImpalerX

   I hope war uses casual as cannon fodder and rewards them with better gear just for dying more than anyone on the battle field. Shut em up somewhow.

   Why dont you casual players stop whining and Defend Halaa so us hardcore players can get the World Buff as were grinding Badge Gear? I mean Blizzard went so far as to supply gear that is just as good as most Tier 5 through doing Heroic non-raid dungeons and you still complain.

 

While I find your constant whining and crying about casuals "whining" somewhat amusing (since it's hardcore raiders who do all the whining and crying), it is amazing how ignorant you are to simple economics.  We're supposed to be impressed because you have 6+ hours a day to waste watching youtube videos to see how to down a boss, farm mats and maybe get in 3-4 hours of raiding?  You honestly think Blizzard wants to say goodbye to 90% of their customer base because 2 hours or less per day isn't hardcore enough for you?

Try not to min/max so much, people aren't saying, "don't have gear" or "gear shouldn't matter."  They're saying don't make daily time invested >>> skill.  Casuals don't want handouts, they want to be competitive. 

It sounds like you enjoy WoW hopefully you'll stay there, after all the "casuals who enjoy PvP" migrate over to Warhammer you can enjoy your game without us...

 

 

It's amazing how you huys just dont see it.

---World of Warcraft---

Raiding = hardcore\several hours a night time invest

Arena = Casual\ 10 game per week

Battlegrounds = Casual\play as many or as little as you want

Crafting = casual\buy all mats on AH\375 skill in one day

Leveling =Casual\ 30% reduction in exp to level from 20-60, neat little icons to show you were all quests are. Rested exp = don't play for days and level up even faster when you do play

5 man instance's Non-Heroic\Heroic = Casual\Trade in bagdes of honor for gear thats just as good if not better than raid gear.

Daily quests = Casual\ do as many or as little you want.

So at the end of the showdown its ---Hardcore -1- and Casuals - 6- i think its clear as to who the real winner is. If anything WoW is the most casual friendly mmo on the market atm and your still complaining.

Originally posted by XImpalerX

 So at the end of the showdown its ---Hardcore -1- and Casuals - 6- i think its clear as to who the real winner is. If anything WoW is the most casual friendly mmo on the market atm and your still complaining.

Who's complaining?  All I see in your posts is, "WAAA!  Only people who raid should get decent gear.  PvP sucks because it's not a scripted encounter I can run over and over and over again week after week and if I don't have gear that is 100x better than everyone else I get pwnd.  WAAA!"

Originally posted by AerthanTN

 

Originally posted by XImpalerX

 So at the end of the showdown its ---Hardcore -1- and Casuals - 6- i think its clear as to who the real winner is. If anything WoW is the most casual friendly mmo on the market atm and your still complaining.

 

Who's complaining?  All I see in your posts is, "WAAA!  Only people who raid should get decent gear.  PvP sucks because it's not a scripted encounter I can run over and over and over again week after week and if I don't have gear that is 100x better than everyone else I get pwnd.  WAAA!"

   I've said all i wanted to say. I wont be replying to thistopic anymore.

  i do pose this question for the third time in hopes that I can get a straight answer.

"What gameplay systems have you invented/developed that balances casual vs hardcore?

Top tier RvR in WAR will cater to hardcore players.

GS: Aside from the fact that the massively multiplayer audience has matured, and now there is a sizeable population of veterans who might look for a hardcore competitive experience, how will Warhammer Online appeal