Age of Conan

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

 

Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

You do realize that since you didn't give "...good performance after thumbing down the settings..." as an option that your not really asking the question in a valid way right?

By cutting out the option you didn't want to see, you skewed the results. I for instance would fit into the catagory "I have a high end PC and I get good performance after thumbing down the settings" which I suspect is true for a lot of people, and I further suspect you knew that was the case and that it would hurt your arguement, so you didn't offer it as an option.

So in essence this is just more of the same hate trolling with a inherantly biased poll thrown on top in order to make it look valid.

In fact, you are right in some point, I really forgot to put that option, but only because, in my opinion, if you have a high end computer you WILL have a good performance, however a few people with a good computer or was having a stellar performance or a bad one even thumbing down it (as you can see in the poll). I havent heard anyone with a high computer thumning down and having a good performance (strangely as it seens). If I was a 'troll', little fanboy, I wouldnt put the options of good performance on good computers. But you are right on one point, I should have put this option. But that do not invalidate the poll, because what we see, mostly (including YOUR answer) is that even high end computers are NOT working the game properly as it should, however something up to 20% is... The poll was to discover if there was a minority, as they stated, who was having performance problems (relating your rig with the requisites of the game), and as we can see, WITH YOUR OPTION INCLUDING, that this isnt truth, so far...

 

 

 

 

No, we don't see that isn't the truth, we a see a poll that you set to make it appear that way by leaving off what I expect is truth... that most players can see acceptable performance by tweaking the settings. Your poll doesn't test for that so it isn't imperical... and since it's not impirical, it's meaningless. You should have learned all this in school.

I just wonder in which school you learned about 'empirical (not impirical).

From wikipedia, to you : "Empirical data is data that is produced by experiment or observation.^[1]."

There we have that every knowledge personally gathered is more or less empirical, thus bases itself on experience and observation (on a very personal basis), especially SENSORIAL with no innate ideas... And thats what we are asking for, the empirical knowledge gathered for every experience. The poll set in here is to see about THAT empirical experience and not to SET an empirical experience. I want to know what the people are feeling about performance, to see if the statement of Funcom is truth or not. If its not truth, we let them know that several are having this issue and its time to concentrate on it, if its not truth, move along and let the minority suffer a little bit more.

Of course it is empirical, and I tried to form a base even being empirical, some basis knowledge. OF COURSE what is good for me isnt to you, my compairsons are not like yours, however we can have a thin common ground between (again, read it and you will see me trying to set this common ground of what is good and what is bad, and asking people to go for those guidances... Nevertheless will always be empirical).

And of course its not statiscally right, on a pure scientific form, but neither is the Funcom response about 'having star performance' and a majority with no performance issue. Its not the objective of this poll to be scientific, but a BASIS as it is the statement of Funcom, exactly to relate to that.

What you forgot to point is that more than 50% of people is having bad performance in this poll... 42% have high end machine and HAVE bad performance even thumbing down... What amazes me is a fanboy who try to explain how empirical is a poll, only to SUPPORT their fanboysm.

And you know whats funny? That fanboys hurt games a LOT more than haters, in this case, specifically we can try to give a message to Funcom that there is, indeed, performance troubles to the majority... If you let the illusinon that its all ok, a lot of people will leave the game for performance issue, which is very sad because this is a HELL OF A GAME and will destroy the game in long term (do not forget that WAR is coming and that cartoonish game certaintly run smoothly). So, lets be a little more constructive (which means NOT being a fanboy) and try to pass EMPIRACALLY , the truth to Funcom, because if the poll is empirical, what do you think is the opinion of the 'majority' that the Funcom has stated? Ah, thas not empircal, right?

By the way, I answered a poll of OB from funcom asking about my performance... If you are on beta you should have the same mail. What you asked then? That you cant answer because good and bad performance are empirical experiences and polls cant do that?

Originally posted by Domenicus

In recent interview, Funcom has stated (for my surprise) that the minority is having performance issue only, and majority are ok... It has even appointed that some is having 'stellar performance'...

Unfortunatelly I am one of the minority who is not having a good performance on FPS, speciallyu on crowded small palces... Funny thing is that everyone else that I spoke is complaining about that. Well, I guess I have met all the minority that Funcom has spoken of, then... And have not meet the majority yet...

Therefore lets be VERY honest and answer this poll to see if thats truth or not, I reall y want to know if its a minority that is having performance issue or not...

If possible, please state your rig and vote when commenting.

 

(consider bad performance as being unable to play right on crowded places and bad fps, something about 10-15 fps on less crowded places with a few freezes up for caching on HD or simple 'stall').

 

Mine is a low/medium machine (2 GB, Geforce 8600 GT 512 MB and Dual Core 2) on a Win XP and I am having several performance issues.

 

Edit: Since there was the complain of someone about lacking another option, which is truth, everyone who has :

'I have a high end machine and have a good performance *ONLY* when thumb down the graphics. '

Please vote on:

'I have a high end machine and have a good performance even without thumbing down the graphics'

In that way we can still know if the performance issue is a problem of minority (assuming that someone with high end equip should have good performance) or not.

you do realize that because it was said a Minority is having issues they do not mean only 6 people are experiencing it.  out of 50,000 OB players a minority could be 10,000 players.  For instance in america African americans are considered a minority but they still are about 30% of the population in the states.  So in essence it could still mean they know quite a few players are having issue but are just stating that the majority are not.  There will always be issues with some people due to certain computer setups.  There is no way a developer can take it to account thousands of different computer configurations and make everyone happy. 

MSI K9N6PGM-F motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel 5-5-5-15, Latency 5
2x Western Digital Caviar SE 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive 8meg cache
2x ATA100 Maxtor 7200RPM HD (just use these for pictures, backup, movies, and music)
EVGA GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI
SAMSUNG 220WM Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 700:1
LG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black IDE Model
Windows XP Pro SP2 32-bit
Current drivers for all as of 4/27/08

I think thats everything

tried every tweak posted, even on low with no bloom/hdr. Game runs so inconsistently yet i more than exceed the minimum

Would you pay a monthly fee to have these issues i some how doubt it for very long.

Originally posted by CazNeerg

I have to agree with the poster that said polls don't matter.  There is far too much variety of experience, and too much variety in individual knowledge/ability in adjusting configurations, for a few generic poll options to produce any useful information.  That being said, it only costs $5.00 to get the 3-day headstart with the "real" client.  Doesn't seem like an unreasonable investment to me to pay five dollars, play for 3 days, if the performance still sucks, cancel your pre-order.  Problem solved.

You are right, poll dont matter... Its not scientific, but also the devs when they speak of 'majority is ok' and 'minority only is having problem' certainly are not scientifically right as well. However, coming from devs it becames truth instantly and the guidance for the future of the game. And thats the problem. I do think that the MAJORITY is having issue (althought I may be wrong), and if this poll do not comprove that, at least will let us know that the Funcom is more inclined to be wrong than to be right.

The problem, my friend, is not if I am good or not with the game, This seens a bit egoistic... It will solve nothing to pay 3 days, get out and thats ok, specially if EVERYONE with performance issue do that (and if the problem issue is not from a minority but from a majority). Can you see the picture? A good game, a good concept destroyed because some devs have the wrong idea of whats going on (havent you seen that movie before?). I could upgrade my machine very high and then the problem would be solved, right? But the vast majority wouldnt be playing and this could became a ghost town...

I really want this game to work, but I got myself worried when the devs told that the only a few minority is having performance issue. Thats not what I felt from inside the game, and thats not what I am feeling in this poll (althoug, you werer correct, it doesnt proof anything).

Nevermind,, I was going to offer my assistance to you, but it looks like you are wanting drama.

Good luck.

Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

 

Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

You do realize that since you didn't give "...good performance after thumbing down the settings..." as an option that your not really asking the question in a valid way right?

By cutting out the option you didn't want to see, you skewed the results. I for instance would fit into the catagory "I have a high end PC and I get good performance after thumbing down the settings" which I suspect is true for a lot of people, and I further suspect you knew that was the case and that it would hurt your arguement, so you didn't offer it as an option.

So in essence this is just more of the same hate trolling with a inherantly biased poll thrown on top in order to make it look valid.

In fact, you are right in some point, I really forgot to put that option, but only because, in my opinion, if you have a high end computer you WILL have a good performance, however a few people with a good computer or was having a stellar performance or a bad one even thumbing down it (as you can see in the poll). I havent heard anyone with a high computer thumning down and having a good performance (strangely as it seens). If I was a 'troll', little fanboy, I wouldnt put the options of good performance on good computers. But you are right on one point, I should have put this option. But that do not invalidate the poll, because what we see, mostly (including YOUR answer) is that even high end computers are NOT working the game properly as it should, however something up to 20% is... The poll was to discover if there was a minority, as they stated, who was having performance problems (relating your rig with the requisites of the game), and as we can see, WITH YOUR OPTION INCLUDING, that this isnt truth, so far...

 

 

 

 

No, we don't see that isn't the truth, we a see a poll that you set to make it appear that way by leaving off what I expect is truth... that most players can see acceptable performance by tweaking the settings. Your poll doesn't test for that so it isn't imperical... and since it's not impirical, it's meaningless. You should have learned all this in school.

 

I just wonder in which school you learned about 'empirical (not impirical).

From wikipedia, to you : "Empirical data is data that is produced by experiment or observation.^[1]."

There we have that every knowledge personally gathered is more or less empirical, thus bases itself on experience and observation (on a very personal basis), especially SENSORIAL with no innate ideas... And thats what we are asking for, the empirical knowledge gathered for every experience. The poll set in here is to see about THAT empirical experience and not to SET an empirical experience. I want to know what the people are feeling about performance, to see if the statement of Funcom is truth or not. If its not truth, we let them know that several are having this issue and its time to concentrate on it, if its not truth, move along and let the minority suffer a little bit more.

Of course it is empirical, and I tried to form a base even being empirical, some basis knowledge. OF COURSE what is good for me isnt to you, my compairsons are not like yours, however we can have a thin common ground between (again, read it and you will see me trying to set this common ground of what is good and what is bad, and asking people to go for those guidances... Nevertheless will always be empirical).

And of course its not statiscally right, on a pure scientific form, but neither is the Funcom response about 'having star performance' and a majority with no performance issue. Its not the objective of this poll to be scientific, but a BASIS as it is the statement of Funcom, exactly to relate to that.

What you forgot to point is that more than 50% of people is having bad performance in this poll... 42% have high end machine and HAVE bad performance even thumbing down... What amazes me is a fanboy who try to explain how empirical is a poll, only to SUPPORT their fanboysm.

And you know whats funny? That fanboys hurt games a LOT more than haters, in this case, specifically we can try to give a message to Funcom that there is, indeed, performance troubles to the majority... If you let the illusinon that its all ok, a lot of people will leave the game for performance issue, which is very sad because this is a HELL OF A GAME and will destroy the game in long term (do not forget that WAR is coming and that cartoonish game certaintly run smoothly). So, lets be a little more constructive (which means NOT being a fanboy) and try to pass EMPIRACALLY , the truth to Funcom, because if the poll is empirical, what do you think is the opinion of the 'majority' that the Funcom has stated? Ah, thas not empircal, right?

By the way, I answered a poll of OB from funcom asking about my performance... If you are on beta you should have the same mail. What you asked then? That you cant answer because good and bad performance are empirical experiences and polls cant do that?

I'm wasting time on the board in between data-base entries at work... don't have time to care much about spellchecking.

The fact reamins, for your poll to be significant it would have be scientifically empirical, which (even as implied by your wikipedia definition) means you'd have to control for all variables and possibilities. As you have made no allowance for a significant possibility, your results are scewed, and your test reveals no truth.

It's simple logic.

You keep claiming that this thread is diffrent than other threads on the exact same issue because you are using poll results to back you up, but I've clearly demostrated (and you've conceded) that your poll doesn't provide a valid answer for a lot of people, which makes the entire useless because you can't get a clear true picture of what people are actualy expiriencing, thus just because you added a poll to your thread, it's no diffrant than any other bad-performance related thread, even though you labelled it with a "Let's reveal the truth, I am right and everyone who doesn't agree me is wrong because I say so" title.