Star Wars Galaxies

Ok guys,

I know I tease some of you a bit to much and I apologize for that. Sometimes I lock on and don't let go of something.

Just so you know I had my losses with the NGE as well, let me explain. Yes, I played SWG in all of its forms. I was an Imp back in the day. No, I was a bad arse Imp (within the context of the game not like in a megalomanic out of touch with reality sort of way). I had all the toys, the stromtroopers, the scout walkers, the uniforms, the armor the bases with troops. The guild I was in was full of people who were hard core Imps. We liked to go PvP and pick fights, we attacked bases and all that crap. We waged war on anyone rebel who was in our way. We had a bunch that took to space every night...But thats what the game was like back then. I understand where you guys are coming from.

Now where I am coming from today is this. I was just as disappointed as everyone else when they did the NGE trust me. It was no fun. What disappointed me  just as much was how the community reacted. I feel that they are just as much to blame as SOE for stripping away what SWG was. We still had the basic game, we still could have salvaged it BUT to many gave up hoping that SOE would change it back....and it never happened and never will. They became the bitter vets of today waging an endless war against nothing.

I still like to log on. I like my YT1300 and many of my other toys but the game will never be the same, not because of the ruleset change but because of the community. There are some really cool, nice, great players in the current game but its structured a bit different and the PvP rebel vs Imp thing isn't the same anymore but it could be.

I never got to achieve my goal which was to build a huge successful Rebel PA just like the Imp one and maybe a neutral one.

Its not the graphics or the rules sometimes that makes MMO games, it's the people. As long as this endless bickering continues about pre and post NGE only the players suffer for it. No one in SOE cares about these boards or what we say. If they did they never would have gone there in the first place. But communities could have been build and order could have been restored to the galaxy (join me my sons, together we can rule the galaxy.....yikes, sorry got carried away)

I feel that SWG still offers a lot that most MMO's don't. In fact if you stand most MMOs up to SWG most can not compete on a feature by feature basis to this day. LotR can't, WoW can't, GW can't, name a game. I try to approach with "my logic" I try not to insult but I am very sarcastic. Sometimes it comes out wrong. I also tend to provoke sometimes but understand its generally good natured. I really don't play it to much anymore, its wore out and tired and that has nothing to do with the NGE, I was pretty burned before that. Since then I have encountered some people from this board ingame. All excellent players and nice people. Obraik is one of them. He is a great guy and I enjoyed my time in NGE with his help.

Would SWG have had a strong bright future if they never changed it? Honestly, probably not. The pops were shrinking before the NGE, Its old, MMOs die off, the shiny new games release (most of which fall flat on their faces) Lately everyone things AoC is going to save the world...well...its probably not but we will see.

Anyway, pick games you like, contribute to the communities, build, create, have fun thats what people are going to remember you for in gaming not how much you moaned and argued about it.

The battle for SWG pre -NGE is over. Yes, we lost, I lost, you lost but one battle doesn't win or lose the war. Something better will come one day, the genre is young, mistakes have to be made.

It's a scorched-earth war-to-the-knife now, but let's be very clear about something: the SWG player community didn't start this war, SOE/LA did. And they are the only ones with the power to end it.

After being stabbed in the back with the CU, I left the game in June; it took that long because I wasn't prepared for a clean shutdown and I wanted to give it a real chance. When I left, I seriously doubted that I would be back. But by September, I came to realize that, degraded as SWG was by the CU, I could learn to tolerate it. Come November, and SOE/LA did it to us again, ten times worse; they had not learned one flaming thing from what happened the first time. The only reason I didn't cancel as soon as I heard the announcement is because of the timing: my renewal date fell between the announcement and the weekend when NGE went on the Test Center. I like to think that I'm a fair-minded person who acts on facts, not fears.

No, the basic game was not still there, just its shell. The only way to salvage it is the reversal of just about every aspect of the NGE, and that isn't about to happen. Aside from 'the bird' (now in an advanced state of development, thank God), our fine game is gone and we are unlikely to see its like again. All that is really left is the pursuit of justice (and vengence, yes) against the perpetrators. I may be an exception but even now, I would be willing to end the fight for the poor sop of a classic server. But peace is not mine to give.

PRE CU is still  by far the most successfull  version of  SWG why i should suddenly believe tales that some crapware  will do any better if in 3 years  they can't match up PRE CU numbers .

PRE CU is the core you can  base upon a great Star Wars game anything else proofed wrong and as big bubble, a wrong promise and lie.

Take PRE CU, fix the bugs  add to that...a great recipe.

It doesn't matter which one was best. There is no war to fight.

No one here on this board had anything to do with changing it or can do anything about it.

You want to fight a war come join us in Iraq. This is a generic video game forum board. It is about as distant from making a difference in anything as you can get.

I dunno, ,maybe it was SOE telling everyone that they didn't care about how we felt, or if anyone left because we would be replaced.

Maybe its THAT kind of attitude that ran everyone off.  Maybe it WASN'T the fact they made the game suck.  Perhaps it was that they openly and blatantly shoved every last old player to the side and said "We don't care about you anymore...we have a new player that we want".

I suppose actions like that WOULD cause a community to flee overnight.  I also suppose you can't fault them for it even a tiny bit.  I may not agree with everything that goes on around here, on either side, but I do agree with the notion that SOE takes full blame for ruining this game.  You just don't outright rob players and THEN tell them to shove it.  Maybe you missed that part of the whole thing, but I didn't.  If it had been as simple as "they changed the game and I didn't like it", I'd still at least try other SOE games.  No, no...I don't even so much as look at SOE games generally.  I pretty much boycott the entire Sony company as a whole.  Making changes to game isn't enough to cause that kind of reaction...you HAVE to understand that.

Originally posted by Torak

It doesn't matter which one was best. There is no war to fight.

No one here on this board had anything to do with changing it or can do anything about it.

You want to fight a war come join us in Iraq. This is a generic video game forum board. It is about as distant from making a difference in anything as you can get.

Go into any mmorpg and mention SWG in general chat. The response you get is proof that we won.

Go look at the market share of all existing mmorpgs. See the decline in SOE games? It's proof that we won.

Go to the official SWG forums and look at all the posts from players begging us vets to come back and repopulate their empty servers. Yep, that's us winning again.

Originally posted by Gishgeron

I dunno, ,maybe it was SOE telling everyone that they didn't care about how we felt, or if anyone left because we would be replaced.

 

Maybe its THAT kind of attitude that ran everyone off.  Maybe it WASN'T the fact they made the game suck.  Perhaps it was that they openly and blatantly shoved every last old player to the side and said "We don't care about you anymore...we have a new player that we want".

 

I suppose actions like that WOULD cause a community to flee overnight.  I also suppose you can't fault them for it even a tiny bit.  I may not agree with everything that goes on around here, on either side, but I do agree with the notion that SOE takes full blame for ruining this game.  You just don't outright rob players and THEN tell them to shove it.  Maybe you missed that part of the whole thing, but I didn't.  If it had been as simple as "they changed the game and I didn't like it", I'd still at least try other SOE games.  No, no...I don't even so much as look at SOE games generally.  I pretty much boycott the entire Sony company as a whole.  Making changes to game isn't enough to cause that kind of reaction...you HAVE to understand that.

What I am saying this vet vs player thing is silly. Nothing anyone does, writes here will have an impact on anything. The "battle" is with SOE, take it to them. Let us know how it goes. Who knows, maybe if there was some sort of organized effort, it might make a difference. Lashing out in a thousand ways at people who can't do anything about it isn't going to change anything. SOE is a corporation full of corp tools like any other corporation. I'm here to tell none of them give a rats arse about anyone. All they care about is the bottom line.

I am an MMO advocate. I love MMO's.

All that energy wasted on this subject. I advocate joining an MMO community. I advocate making guilds, helping other players, making positive contributions to communities and having fun with it. Write guides, map areas, write walkthroughs, make a noobs day in the game you are playing. Thats what MMO gaming is really about. There isn't a single game out there you can't do that sort of thing in.

I guess if this makes people "feel good" about how they contribute to the MMO community, so be it.

Anyway, good gaming.

Originally posted by Torak

 

Originally posted by Gishgeron

I dunno, ,maybe it was SOE telling everyone that they didn't care about how we felt, or if anyone left because we would be replaced.

 

Maybe its THAT kind of attitude that ran everyone off.  Maybe it WASN'T the fact they made the game suck.  Perhaps it was that they openly and blatantly shoved every last old player to the side and said "We don't care about you anymore...we have a new player that we want".

 

I suppose actions like that WOULD cause a community to flee overnight.  I also suppose you can't fault them for it even a tiny bit.  I may not agree with everything that goes on around here, on either side, but I do agree with the notion that SOE takes full blame for ruining this game.  You just don't outright rob players and THEN tell them to shove it.  Maybe you missed that part of the whole thing, but I didn't.  If it had been as simple as "they changed the game and I didn't like it", I'd still at least try other SOE games.  No, no...I don't even so much as look at SOE games generally.  I pretty much boycott the entire Sony company as a whole.  Making changes to game isn't enough to cause that kind of reaction...you HAVE to understand that.

Sure I understand that and I'm not saying it isn't warrented. All I am saying is give peace a chance.....errr....sorry, I digress.

 

What I am saying this vet vs player thing is silly. Nothing anyone does, writes here will have an impact on anything. The "battle" is with SOE, take it to them. Let us know how it goes. Who knows, maybe if there was some sort of organized effort, it might make a difference. Lashing out in a thousand ways at people who can't do anything about it isn't going to change anything. SOE is a corporation full of corp tools like any other corporation. I'm here to tell none of them give a rats arse about anyone. All they care about is the bottom line. I think thats all that vets have ever said to the people that play...why are you telling them that?

I am an MMO advocate. I love MMO's.

All that energy wasted on this subject. I advocate joining an MMO community. I advocate making guilds, helping other players, making positive contributions to communities and having fun with it. Write guides, map areas, write walkthroughs, make a noobs day in the game you are playing. Thats what MMO gaming is really about. There isn't a single game out there you can't do that sort of thing in. Ya we know we've been doing it too since we left swg. Glad to hear you like  doing the same things we do. Also, It doesnt take energy to make a forum post, it takes a minute maybe.

I guess if this makes people "feel good" about how they contribute to the MMO community, so be it. Did this post make you "feel good"? There is no vet vs. player thing from the vet side. Only a vet vs. "what soe did was OK side".

Anyway, good gaming.

 You too.