Originally posted by fdiaz78

While I mostly PVE I can see this being fun but frustraing to the point of account cancelation. Ships in eve can get expensive. I hate how the Dev is so smug about losing your ship when the economy is so inflated, a loss of a few ships can mean complete Eve financial disaster. Please don't give me that crap about getting loans and ships from your Corp. Some players don't like to be free loaders or in the hole for millions of isk.

 

Thats why its often best to have a good way of earning more cash to replace your lost ship. I personally used to get a mining barge mine good ore for a couple of hours or so and use that to fund my fun.

Originally posted by Saerain

 

Originally posted by weslubow

Let me see if I understand this clearly.

In an earlier article it was reported that 80% are PVE and 20% are PVP. So CCP is putting out a PVP expansion?

 

To bridge the gap and balance the distribution. I don't see a more logical course of action.

Not sure how that would qualify as logical. 

"hi, i'm a dev and i think that we can get more pve'ers doing pvp by making the best missions where you HAVE to pvp and one side or the other will each lose 100-250m+ (individually) in ships and equipment per mission."  but the rewards you can get would be... a few million iskies?  downside is re-purchasing and re-fitting your ship, time and time again.   sorry, it's just not sounding thought-out.  UNLESS they make the rewards from the missions jump into the 10s of millions range (between LP and isk).

Long overdue but too little too late. For those players that care about their faction, it might be good also to re-examine that RP event rigging that CCP was caught doing.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've already decided who "wins" these faction wars before they even start.  Sucks to be you if you happen to pick the side rigged to lose.

Geeeez! They sure are pushy with this whole PvP thing. " Here, quick! Take this Rookie ship and go to null-sec! Good luck sucker!" So to the lovely devs of CCP. Been playing Eve for over two years. Don't want to PvP, don't like PvP. If I wanted to PvP I would load up the interceptor and head over to 0.0 BoB space. Don't make me PvP when I don't want to. Or I can just go somewhere other than Eve.

*Sigh* But on the subject of Factional Warfare. Gallente FTW! Amarr and Caldari can suck it!

I used the same way "Hyperion".

Gosh!!! No money even in the game...

Burn Federation, BURN.

Originally posted by damian7

 

Originally posted by Saerain

 

Originally posted by weslubow

Let me see if I understand this clearly.

In an earlier article it was reported that 80% are PVE and 20% are PVP. So CCP is putting out a PVP expansion?

 

To bridge the gap and balance the distribution. I don't see a more logical course of action.

 

 

Not sure how that would qualify as logical. 

"hi, i'm a dev and i think that we can get more pve'ers doing pvp by making the best missions where you HAVE to pvp and one side or the other will each lose 100-250m+ (individually) in ships and equipment per mission."  but the rewards you can get would be... a few million iskies?  downside is re-purchasing and re-fitting your ship, time and time again.   sorry, it's just not sounding thought-out.  UNLESS they make the rewards from the missions jump into the 10s of millions range (between LP and isk).

 

 

Level 4s are already worth 10s of millions of ISK.  Bounties, salvage, loot, mission reward/bonus, and LP.

Keep in mind that if missions were several times more profitable, you'd probably see inflation, and still pay the same amount in the end.

Originally posted by Arekaine

Geeeez! They sure are pushy with this whole PvP thing. " Here, quick! Take this Rookie ship and go to null-sec! Good luck sucker!" So to the lovely devs of CCP. Been playing Eve for over two years. Don't want to PvP, don't like PvP. If I wanted to PvP I would load up the interceptor and head over to 0.0 BoB space. Don't make me PvP when I don't want to. Or I can just go somewhere other than Eve.

*Sigh* But on the subject of Factional Warfare. Gallente FTW! Amarr and Caldari can suck it!

Had the game been designed with a great percentage being pve orientated I would agree.  And from my own personal preference, I agree.  I find it lacking some fundamental aspects of pve like variety and content for pve players and the pve content feels like CCP have "tacked" it on under duress.  It just misses the mark as far as I'm concerned.

But given that, after all, this game is still a pvp biased game, I feel that I shouldn't be screaming how the game should change to suit my tastes.  Instead, I'll find a game that suits me better.......

I do not like pvp or pve. I have some values, but in this world also in rl it is also about taking and not giving.

I liked the mining, then came the ore thiefs, in mission lvl 4 you can be scanned out and they take you loot or worse if you have faction ship they shoot you too pieces.

And now you have too choose between the faction, 

For example if you have 4 accounts in the 4 different classes and you do with all missions in 4 area's.

You can never come with characters too one enviroment for pve, pvp, mining, because all characters are enemies of each other.

I find this the worst scenario for not pvp or pve. 5 years of eve too the drain, because some  terrors of hell figure comes up with this expansion.

AK

Originally posted by killkool

I find this the worst scenario for not pvp or pve. 5 years of eve too the drain, because some  terrors of hell figure comes up with this expansion.

AK

I'm holding off judgement but this does sound interesting to say the least.  As with every major change/addition to any MMO there is speculation on all sides.  I like the view from the fence tyvm.

 You can stay neutral in the conflict soo I dont get what people who like pve are whining about,it wont affect you too much except that you will see more ships getting blown up in hi-sec.I realy hope you can pick a pirate NPC faction,id join the arch angels in a heartbeat,jove ship armada ftw!

Curse you CCP!  I haven't even begun to delve in to the Trinity expansion and now they have the nerve to announce even more cool stuff and things to do.  Damn, how will I ever catch up and find time to become bored and disenchanted with the game?

Won't the Caldari Empire just walk away with  this. What with all the CNR flying about doing the lvl4 missions around The Forge and Lonetrek.  They will have an advantage over the other three empires who aren't the first choice for mission runners.

Originally posted by Sandown

Won't the Caldari Empire just walk away with  this. What with all the CNR flying about doing the lvl4 missions around The Forge and Lonetrek.  They will have an advantage over the other three empires who aren't the first choice for mission runners.

A mission runners navy raven with top gear will be great against NPC faction enermies but not so great against an Experienced PvP player who knows that Ravens are **** when it comes to PvP.

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by Sandown

Won't the Caldari Empire just walk away with  this. What with all the CNR flying about doing the lvl4 missions around The Forge and Lonetrek.  They will have an advantage over the other three empires who aren't the first choice for mission runners.

A mission runners navy raven with top gear will be great against NPC faction enermies but not so great against an Experienced PvP player who knows that Ravens are **** when it comes to PvP.

"When the expansion does indeed kick off, players will be able to sign up for one side or the other. From there, they start to run missions and complete tasks for their empire, gaining more and more standing with them."

But yes if they do come up against PVP that will put a spanner in the works.

I quit playing this game because it was too PVP oriented. 

I was an industrialist that couldn't make a profit (or one that barely mattered).  The entire game is centered around PVP.  The game is almost entirely about BOB and the Goons.  When people started referring to "safe space" as "less safe space" I knew it was time to move on. 

Macro miners are killing the market and they are uninterested in stopping it (regardless of what they say)

All I see is developers adding more content to what they like to play.

I will say this in their defence though, their subscriptions numbers have steadily gone up.  So I doubt they care about losing industrialist.

Finally, if you like PVP........THIS IS THE GAME FOR YOU!!!!!!  I even gave it a shot but everyone is so scared of losing expensive ships that you pretty much fight a war of a billion disposable ships against a billion other disposable ships.  That's not a war.

Originally posted by caine6621

I quit playing this game because it was too PVP oriented. 

 

I was an industrialist that couldn't make a profit (or one that barely mattered).  The entire game is centered around PVP.  The game is almost entirely about BOB and the Goons.  When people started referring to "safe space" as "less safe space" I knew it was time to move on. 

 

Macro miners are killing the market and they are uninterested in stopping it (regardless of what they say)

 

All I see is developers adding more content to what they like to play.

 

I will say this in their defence though, their subscriptions numbers have steadily gone up.  So I doubt they care about losing industrialist.

 

Finally, if you like PVP........THIS IS THE GAME FOR YOU!!!!!!  I even gave it a shot but everyone is so scared of losing expensive ships that you pretty much fight a war of a billion disposable ships against a billion other disposable ships.  That's not a war.

Be great for the Industrialists who 'made it' and make such ships to sell.

This sounds like a great jump for eve, perhaps i will give it a go when it goes live, i miss playing it sometimes, as long as theres no big sighn that sais do not reboot your computer, boot.ini

Macro miners are killing the market and they are uninterested in stopping it (regardless of what they say)

lol with what, mining Veldspar near Jita ?

It will be a great part of a great game!