Star Wars Galaxies

Originally posted by safwd

 

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by safwd

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Originally posted by iwantmyswg

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

 

 

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Originally posted by iwantmyswg

 

as far as i am looking at this i am calling a law office tomorrow.
my aim is a full lawsuit at $OE along with la and smed. i believe due to all the items i lost my jedi being made useless and all the money i lost from having my doc and entertainer along with my tkm $OE owes me alone $10000 in damages. if you are a elder jedi you should get half of that 5 grand for what $OE did.
i am willing however to drop this as long as the following happens.
$OE rolls all of the servers back to the pre-cu.
$OE says they are sorry for the pain and taking pre-cu away from us.
old devs that worked on pre-cu are hired back or moved back to swg.
fanbots are banned from the game for insulting us.
fishermage and wildcat84 are made the head of a players union and that union will have full say over what go's into swg.

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I'll be doing some exploration of my own in the coming months.  Issues I'll be checking are:
 
-the Trials of ObiWan ads for items and features that SOE knew they were going to delete; they got a lot of money for the expansion and via resubscriptions with those ads, and after they received the money they announced that many of these items and features would be rendered useless in a short 2 weeks time.  Since the minimum time you can subscribe for is a month, to my knowledge, anyone who subscribed for anything longer than 2 weeks based on the NGE advertisements should get a refund, and the people behind the ToOW could, in my view, be charged with fraud for selling the expansion and subscription time under false pretenses.
-the issue that Beatnik raised regarding the inability of consumers to use the original game they purchased, manuals etc. since the NGE changed the core mechanics and basically replaced one game for another.
-SOE attempts to justify their behaviour by saying that their EULA gives them the right to advertise things they are planning to delete, and not tell the customers of their plans until after they receive their money.  Basically, I'm challenging the notion that a EULA can be used as a defense for fraud allegations.  I'm convinced it can't be used successfully, if challenged.

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all that needs to happen is $OE needs to pay for their crimes.

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Hey, why don't you actually read the thread? If you did, you would know taht what you have brought up has already been dealt with.

 

I know I know, the Nancy McIntyre school of thread reading. Understood.

Actually it has not been dealt with. It has been denied, it has been bitched about and there have been theories that it isnt actually legal, but it has not been dealt with.

 

I agree that what happened to SWG sucked for those of you who liked it but they really do have the right to change their product without asking you first.

Maybe im wrong and someone from this site will actually file a lawsuit against SOE and LA for what they did to SWG, and perhaps they will actually win. If that happens then i will be the first on here to say that you were right and i was wrong.

But i dont think it is going to happen. People have been talking about suing SOE on this forum for 2 years now and it hasnt happened yet. Im pretty sure that is because even while they are talking about it they know that it is a no win.

It says right in the EULA that you the customer own no part of the IP ever. That includes your character and any items that you may have gathered. So what can you possibly take them to court for, lost time? Not lost money because you were at no time forced to pay for the product.

Its sucks, hate them for it if you want to. But the crusade is going no where.

and no i and my friends do own our items and our toons. i spent 90 hours working on getting jedi i did that i own that toon. if i want to it is my legal right to sell that toon. better still now i cannot sell that toon as jedi is worthless so i lost about $2k due to the nge change.

our crusade is opening eyes and showing people how bad things are in the world of gaming. and $OE is the worst of the worst.

Originally posted by iwantmyswg

 

Originally posted by safwd

 

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by safwd

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Originally posted by iwantmyswg

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

 

 

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Originally posted by iwantmyswg

 

as far as i am looking at this i am calling a law office tomorrow.
my aim is a full lawsuit at $OE along with la and smed. i believe due to all the items i lost my jedi being made useless and all the money i lost from having my doc and entertainer along with my tkm $OE owes me alone $10000 in damages. if you are a elder jedi you should get half of that 5 grand for what $OE did.
i am willing however to drop this as long as the following happens.
$OE rolls all of the servers back to the pre-cu.
$OE says they are sorry for the pain and taking pre-cu away from us.
old devs that worked on pre-cu are hired back or moved back to swg.
fanbots are banned from the game for insulting us.
fishermage and wildcat84 are made the head of a players union and that union will have full say over what go's into swg.

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I'll be doing some exploration of my own in the coming months.  Issues I'll be checking are:
 
-the Trials of ObiWan ads for items and features that SOE knew they were going to delete; they got a lot of money for the expansion and via resubscriptions with those ads, and after they received the money they announced that many of these items and features would be rendered useless in a short 2 weeks time.  Since the minimum time you can subscribe for is a month, to my knowledge, anyone who subscribed for anything longer than 2 weeks based on the NGE advertisements should get a refund, and the people behind the ToOW could, in my view, be charged with fraud for selling the expansion and subscription time under false pretenses.
-the issue that Beatnik raised regarding the inability of consumers to use the original game they purchased, manuals etc. since the NGE changed the core mechanics and basically replaced one game for another.
-SOE attempts to justify their behaviour by saying that their EULA gives them the right to advertise things they are planning to delete, and not tell the customers of their plans until after they receive their money.  Basically, I'm challenging the notion that a EULA can be used as a defense for fraud allegations.  I'm convinced it can't be used successfully, if challenged.

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all that needs to happen is $OE needs to pay for their crimes.

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Hey, why don't you actually read the thread? If you did, you would know taht what you have brought up has already been dealt with.

 

I know I know, the Nancy McIntyre school of thread reading. Understood.

Actually it has not been dealt with. It has been denied, it has been bitched about and there have been theories that it isnt actually legal, but it has not been dealt with.

 

I agree that what happened to SWG sucked for those of you who liked it but they really do have the right to change their product without asking you first.

Maybe im wrong and someone from this site will actually file a lawsuit against SOE and LA for what they did to SWG, and perhaps they will actually win. If that happens then i will be the first on here to say that you were right and i was wrong.

But i dont think it is going to happen. People have been talking about suing SOE on this forum for 2 years now and it hasnt happened yet. Im pretty sure that is because even while they are talking about it they know that it is a no win.

It says right in the EULA that you the customer own no part of the IP ever. That includes your character and any items that you may have gathered. So what can you possibly take them to court for, lost time? Not lost money because you were at no time forced to pay for the product.

Its sucks, hate them for it if you want to. But the crusade is going no where.

there is no prehaps we will win we will win as what $OE did is break the law. what they did was imho an act that should land anyone that just did 1 line of code in prison.

 

and no i and my friends do own our items and our toons. i spent 90 hours working on getting jedi i did that i own that toon. if i want to it is my legal right to sell that toon. better still now i cannot sell that toon as jedi is worthless so i lost about $2k due to the nge change.

our crusade is opening eyes and showing people how bad things are in the world of gaming. and $OE is the worst of the worst.

Actually it was not your right to sell your toon, that is why EBay and Playerauctions were constantly having to remove stuff, which of course came right back on the site. Of course people did sell toon, just as they sell gold and items, but it was against the rules that you the Player agreed to.

You are a one trick pony, and people are not listening to you.

You will not get your game back.
You will not get Smed in jail.
You will not close down SOE.

You will most likely continue to rant and rave on here talking about the lawsuit that will never happen until FINALLY you get bored of it and move along.

Many times i read your posts and i think that you are actually messing around and having a fine joke of it all. Then i start to think that you really mean what you say and that is just plain sad.

A little advice for you fighing the fight. If you need a spokesperson pick someone like Suvroc before you pick this guy. I dont always agree with Suvroc but he makes sense at least.

And by the way, i would love for you guys to get your game back, it just isnt going to happen.

Originally posted by safwd

 

Actually it was not your right to sell your toon, that is why EBay and Playerauctions were constantly having to remove stuff, which of course came right back on the site. Of course people did sell toon, just as they sell gold and items, but it was against the rules that you the Player agreed to.

 

You are a one trick pony, and people are not listening to you.

You will not get your game back.
You will not get Smed in jail.
You will not close down SOE.

You will most likely continue to rant and rave on here talking about the lawsuit that will never happen until FINALLY you get bored of it and move along.

Many times i read your posts and i think that you are actually messing around and having a fine joke of it all. Then i start to think that you really mean what you say and that is just plain sad.

A little advice for you fighing the fight. If you need a spokesperson pick someone like Suvroc before you pick this guy. I dont always agree with Suvroc but he makes sense at least.

And by the way, i would love for you guys to get your game back, it just isnt going to happen.

and me and my 250k friends are not a one trirck pony as you put it and many people are listening to us. soesucks.net gets a ton of views a month thanks to wildcat telling the truth about how bad $OE screwed us and how we want our game back.

and that lawsuit will happen and soon mark my words $OE and anyone who thinks doing something like the nge is cool will pay for what they have done. we wish for our game back and we will get it back or see $OE shut down for their crimes.

I'll happily run round my town naked and pst the pics here if SOE gets closed down as a result of any lawsuit

I think your pretty safe from that horror show though becuase simply put you wont win against a massive company like sony,not unless you have a lot of time and a bottomless pit of money and even then i if that where the case i'd still put my money on sony,no court is going to tell any company how to produce thier product.

What SOE/LA did to SWG was wrong,moraly wrong but as for being legaly wrong i'm not so sure,the EULA whatever you think of it covers themselves for this becuase you and i agree to it and they can "enhance" any game they own any way they see fit,now of course you'll come back with the old chestnut about the refunds for the xpac and yes they were in muddy waters with it then but mark my words the lawyers at sony will have tightened up any sort of loophole that maybe could be used tighter than a hens arse in a sand storm.

Get over it i could say,i have,but i wouldnt presume to do that people invested a lot of time in the game (i know i did) and they are having trouble moving on from it,i know i miss the buggy mess that was SWG even now but i can see both sides to the story now (not the NGE that is beyond even me) but the CU i could have accepted happily in time but something had to be done with the game for all its good points it lacked any sort of direction and people in the whole like to be directed,the devs saw how WOW was doing and well the rest is history.

This forum does have a future but not the constant "bring back pre-cu" posts becuase it wont happen it really is that simple but what IMO must happen now is for to take a look at the bigger picture of the genre of MMO's and not let anything like the NGE happen again in any game.

Originally posted by iwantmyswg

 

i made that toon there for it is my toon and i can do whatever i want with my toon. You may not buy, sell or auction (or host or facilitate the ability to allow others to buy, sell or auction) any Account or any Game characters, items, credits or copyrighted material or any other intellectual property owned or controlled by us or our licensors without first obtaining our express written permission . http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/en_US/players/content.vm?page=Policies%20Eula&resource=tos So basicly you are saying you do not have to ob rules but a company that actualy owns the game is not in titel to do what they want but you are ?????. Hmmmmm strange, very very strange. I'm curious to know if other "disgrunted VETS" feel it's alright the way you sold your character and then come on forums to complain about not being treathed fair...oh i'm sure you might respond with saying you did so due to what SOE did, The Pot Calling The Kettle Black?

 

and me and my 250k friends are not a one trirck pony as you put it and many people are listening to us. soesucks.net gets a ton of views a month thanks to wildcat telling the truth about how bad $OE screwed us and how we want our game back.

and that lawsuit will happen and soon mark my words $OE and anyone who thinks doing something like the nge is cool will pay for what they have done. we wish for our game back and we will get it back or see $OE shut down for their crimes.

Lawsuit probebly never will happen, atleast not for the NGE. But what should happen is what is talked about on the net, you know something that might have a better change on being changed then getting "your subscribtion based" game back. EULA's, as those need to change. And i'm all for that, regardless the game company.

  You know what the MMO industry needs?  Some kind of "Lemon Law".  Only...SOE didn't really sell us a Lemon, they sold us an orange and then, later, turned it INTO a lemon.  Perhaps a Lemorange, I can't be sure.  Regardless, I think that this is the crux of the whole thing.  Smed was spot on when he said they should have communicated better, because his actions might one day cause the world governments to step in and start policing this money fountain just as they have all others. 

  By the by, Iwantmyswg, you own nothing.  Its very clearly written in the agreement for every last MMO on the planet, and in fact...is the reason why there is such a huge debate right now over the fact that EULA's are the most one sided financial agreements on the face of the planet.  Essentially, you are paying the company for the right to level THEIR characters and equip them with THEIR items.  The closest thing to compare it to is television, where you also own nothing.  The difference here is, you don't actually DO anything with television...its purely hands off entertainment.  Since you have to, at times, WORK in these games...its complete highway robbery that you pay for literally nothing.  Its the real world equivalent of getting a job you love doing, and then having your boss tell you that your paycheck is going in HIS wallet from now on.

  The whole fiasco is likely to cause damage to the industry, because it really ISN'T that hard for the consumers to press a legal issue.  I don't mean a lawsuit in which they win money...but instead a motion to encourage the government to step in and protect the consumers.  Its been too many years now for a lawsuit, and even if it was day one of the NGE the whole matter is very muddy and would only serve to win money back for those whom paid a year up...or bought the expansion.  There would be no 'settlements', because the matter is fairly simple as far as legality goes.  Should the government step in, however, you open a whole new bag of trouble...because NOW the devs have to be sure to hire legal teams for each game and that jacks up the overhead costs.  That higher overhead would trickle down to the consumer...who would then be paying 25$ a month EASY.

  It would also restrict creative freedom, and absolutely stall any sort of game expansion or patching to a screeching halt.  Games that could release new content every 3 months would be lucky to release new content every 3 years due to the new legal hurdles they would have to jump through to 'protect' the consumer.  They couldn't add new levels, or add new gear, because it would "damage the time invested" by the consumer already.  All in all, its BAD.  Very BAD.