Star Wars Galaxies

Originally posted by Dhaeman

Surprised no one has brought up the UO lawsuit from the late 90s. It basically failed to give the plaintiffs any sort of cash reward. I think if someone managed to start a class action lawsuit it might get somewhere but the risk far outweighs the rewards. Unless you are already rich and want to make a point I suppose. On the other hand, lawmakers tend to view EULAs indifferently as in...they don't mean much.

I actually did bring it up the last time a thread with the same topic appeared, but obviously it didn't sink in the last time, so we have to rehash the whole darnedable thing out again.

Beside the legal stuff we vets already  gained the moral  right  to  be $OE lifetime enemy  if $OE  don't satisfy us for our loss, despite the fact that loss being subject of legal  undertakings  or  not. 

Thats  important to remember please ,we have the moral right  to pillory $OE  and  to warn others about them. Till we get  something equal to an satisfaction that  rehabilitate us from  that  CU/NGE loss.

someone needs to sue $OE and la.

whoever does would win a ton of money as what they did is highly illegal and chances are they would be ordered by the courts to put the pre-cu back into the game.

or we would take all their money and get  them shut down.

we win in any case. much like how us vets will win all the time.

But who in thier right minds would take on SOE and LA? no-one is that foolish surely?

Originally posted by Dracis

Originally posted by Dhaeman

Surprised no one has brought up the UO lawsuit from the late 90s. It basically failed to give the plaintiffs any sort of cash reward. I think if someone managed to start a class action lawsuit it might get somewhere but the risk far outweighs the rewards. Unless you are already rich and want to make a point I suppose. On the other hand, lawmakers tend to view EULAs indifferently as in...they don't mean much.

I actually did bring it up the last time a thread with the same topic appeared, but obviously it didn't sink in the last time, so we have to rehash the whole darnedable thing out again.

And I'm sure we'll have to rehash it yet again sometime in the future.

Originally posted by Dracis

 

Originally posted by fozzie22

And Dracis refering to your other post sadly it does cover the gameplay maay change issue..

 

Read the part in red.."we may enhance gameplay" pretty much cover the NGE..i.e new game enhancments,now given its a POS is another matter but hats off to SOE they covered tthier asses well with it tbh,mainly becuase the wording of tthe agreement is so vague they could aply it to anything

Once again, and please let this be for the last time, the statement, "Gameplay may change during online play", does not include the changes of the NGE, the part of the EULA I put in red does. There is a difference. The warning about gameplay changes online is basically stating that they can't control what other people do, say, or how they act online.

 

Please read the entire thread that I linked.

Edit* Just so you know, I'm not defending any game companies EULA. All of them are horribly against customers and I am very much in favor of some one eventually challenging them. What I'm against is the ignorance of the players who think that broad statements like, "Game play may change with online play" allow gaming companies to do whatever they want, whenever they want, because it simply is not true. I'm not trying to argue or flame, I'm trying to educate.

I mean "new game enhancements" was hardly catchy was it? so looking at it they covered themselves very nicely tbh.

You CANNOT create a contract or agreement that allows you to commit an illegal act such as fraud. The only reason nobody has brought SOE to court is because of the amount of money gained would not even start to cover the lawyer fees or the time it would take to complete such a trial as SOE would bury anyone in paperwork. 

Originally posted by xxUltimaxx

You CANNOT create a contract or agreement that allows you to commit an illegal act such as fraud. The only reason nobody has brought SOE to court is because of the amount of money gained would not even start to cover the lawyer fees or the time it would take to complete such a trial as SOE would bury anyone in paperwork. 

But SOE and LA dont see it as fraud (the NGE) i mean,they see it as "enhanced"..though i would like a pint of whatever they where drinking at the time they thought it made so "enhanced"

Consider that SOE and LEC advertised and promoted a product (CU) that they planned to cease to exist, to be replaced by a game that was completely different. 

They were committing interstate and international wire and mail fraud from the day they decided to NGE to the day they declared their intentions (the Torres producer letter).

To the OP. This brings up a good point for gamers. Should a law group that represents the virtual world of MMO's come into the forefront? I would have to say yes. These games\market are going to evolve over the next 100 years in free society.  Right now states in the US are moving forward with slipping in laws concerning virtual property. This really needs to be led by forefathers instead of a generation that thinks the internet is made up of tubes.

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