Star Wars Galaxies

"You understand that we may update or otherwise enhance the Game and/or the Software at any time..."

This has been quoted to justify the NGE, among other things.

I ask you if any reasonable person would interpret the following actions of SOE as examples of updating or enhancing the game:

deletion of over 20 professions,

rendering people completely unable to move or chat,

making heal abilities heal enemies,

advertising and selling items and features in an expansion, and then announcing their deletion the day after payment was received--fraud allegation,

rendering people unable to interact with virtual pets,

deletion of in some cases two years worth of quest progress, along with deletion of the quest content from the game,

rendering items in the previous paid for expansion, Rage of the Wookies, relatively useless by deleting the professions they were made for.

Yeah, I'd love to see someone in SOE's home jurisdiction challenge this use of their EULA. 

As an aside and not really only specific to SOE. 

Many companies have TOS and EULA that when push comes to shove usually arent worth the paper they are written on because they are far to liberal and get changed OFTEN.

This goes for SOE or any other gaming company and any company that has a TOS that kinda is far to wide and liberal.   I personaly would not bother with stuff like this because in the scheme of life the universe and everything its just extremely trivial , but anyhow I just thought I would post a comment on the fact that most TOS and EULA aren't even legal .  I have had to challenge a "contract" that was one sided at one point in time on a more serious issue that was easily won it really didn't even need a lawyer.    However having had to deal with REAL serious legal stuff I would not bother anyone with this, but your welcome to sink the money into it for a lawyer who will have to be paid well.  You would probably win .. what you will win would be a few hundred bucks for the subscriptions, possibly a refund for the original software ... Its not like you can make a case for "pain and anguish" or "mental suffering" here., but if someone has money to burn they would probably win...

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

"You understand that we may update or otherwise enhance the Game and/or the Software at any time..."

This has been quoted to justify the NGE, among other things.

I ask you if any reasonable person would interpret the following actions of SOE as examples of updating or enhancing the game:

deletion of over 20 professions,

rendering people completely unable to move or chat,

making heal abilities heal enemies,

advertising and selling items and features in an expansion, and then announcing their deletion the day after payment was received--fraud allegation,

rendering people unable to interact with virtual pets,

deletion of in some cases two years worth of quest progress, along with deletion of the quest content from the game,

rendering items in the previous paid for expansion, Rage of the Wookies, relatively useless by deleting the professions they were made for.

Yeah, I'd love to see someone in SOE's home jurisdiction challenge this use of their EULA. 

I would too. So they could find themselves laughed out of court by SOEs' lawyers, and the issue would be closed.

Seriously, all I ever see is "Someone needs to do this to SOE, someone needs to do that to SOE". If someone was going to do it ( or even had a snowballs' chance in hell of winning if they did do it ), they would have by now.

The pity party's over, move on.

By the way, read the box. Where it says: "GAMEPLAY MAY CHANGE................".

Actually Zorvan, that does not cover actual game play change, but I've been through all this before. Here's a link if you want to read it: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1872300#1872300 .

Thing is though as i understand PC software you never really own it do you? just a licence to play/use the software so if this is true they can and do pretty much anything they like to any piece of software.

And Dracis refering to your other post sadly it does cover the gameplay maay change issue..

Read the part in red.."we may enhance gameplay" pretty much cover the NGE..i.e new game enhancments,now given its a POS is another matter but hats off to SOE they covered tthier asses well with it tbh,mainly becuase the wording of tthe agreement is so vague they could aply it to anything

Originally posted by fozzie22

Thing is though as i understand PC software you never really own it do you? just a licence to play/use the software so if this is true they can and do pretty much anything they like to any piece of software.

If that would be the case you can burry any MMORPG, it is just unsave to let your created data on someone else place he has all the right  to do anything with it.

Let say i developed an art software used by artist but all their work can only be accessed through that software saved on my servers.  I am changing the software rendering their art  useless, pointless , lowering quility. Is this legit ?  

If nothing else i would  have gained several lifetime enemies.... believe me..

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

I would too. So they could find themselves laughed out of court by SOEs' lawyers, and the issue would be closed.

 

You're assuming there hasn't been out any of court settlements.

Let's face it if someone did file a complaint about SoE and in return SoE offered cash instead of going to court I'd bet that nearly 100% of people would take the quick cash.

SOE's EULA would be a nightmare to defend.

Asserting that MMO publishers can't make any changes to a game would be unreasonable, and that argument would be rejected.  It is standard practice that reasonable changes can be made to games. 

The argument would be that the CUNGE was an UNREASONABLE change, because they altered the original game, as bought, beyond recognition.  That has a decent shot of sticking.

As for the "gameplay may change" warning on the box, that applies to the ESRB rating of Teen, warning kiddies that they may see a F-bomb in game.  If they don't run that disclaimer they'd have to rate the game M for mature.