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News & Features Discussion  » Divergence: Divergence Gets Listed

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OP  4/16/08 7:52:02 AM#1

Divergence, a sci-fi MMO from Stainglass Llama Studios that looks to become THE definitive sci-fi MMO has been added to the Gamelist.

"Divergence is a science fiction game hoping to make it's mark in a genre bloated and dominated by fantasy-based mmorpgs, with dozens of innovative and controversial features.

"Stainglass Llama is a small software development company with a single mission;

"To create THE definitive go-to game for all scifi mmo enthusiasts, built around what the players want to see in their game. We believe it's about time a development company actually listen to the subscribers, and we come to see that the deed is done.

"At Stainglass Llama, our developers have a strong relationship with our potential customers and propose the question, "What features do you want to see in a new scifi mmorpg?" and go from there." - Official website.

Find out more about Divergence here.


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4/16/08 8:11:37 AM#2

Again, you mean... right?

Were you around the first time?  I think you were...

- CaesarsGhost

Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."


The Furniture

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4/16/08 8:31:13 AM#3

Welcome back SGL!


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4/16/08 9:54:23 AM#4

Yeah I am sick of fantasy MMOs as well. The features I look for in MMOs are:

1. Meaningful PVP (a la UO and Eve).

2. PVP that is integrated into the game and not just tacked on at the end.

3. Skill based combat.

4. Good graphics.

5. High fun factor.


As consumer, if I find a game that has the potential of offering these items I am more than happy to throw down my $50.


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4/16/08 10:06:16 AM#5

Whew there are so many MMOs in development.  This one sounds pretty good.  Hopefully they can get a good product out.  The more sci-fi choices out there the better.



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Lost in the twilight zone.

4/16/08 10:32:28 AM#6

They plan to make the "perfect" sci-fi mmo and yet among the first screens they release have a char with a sword..really nice start. And for a company without a serious background in mmo to claim they wanna make the "ultimate",without pin pointing any details, mmo usually means they have no ideea of what they are doing and just wanna get some thank you

“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” A. Einstein


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Pain is fear leaving the body..

4/16/08 10:33:30 AM#7

Link doesn't work for me


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4/16/08 10:47:27 AM#8

Huh? The link doesn't work for me either and I can't find anything through searching either.

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4/16/08 10:53:01 AM#9

The Furniture

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4/16/08 11:32:18 AM#10
Originally posted by Keogh


You should also read this:


Which is over a year old, and despite what the poster implied, there is a game forming up nicely, so no, you shouldn't read that. lol


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4/16/08 11:34:40 AM#11

Originally posted by Tron420

Yeah I am sick of fantasy MMOs as well. The features I look for in MMOs are:

1. Meaningful PVP (a la UO and Eve).

2. PVP that is integrated into the game and not just tacked on at the end.

3. Skill based combat.

4. Good graphics.

5. High fun factor.


As consumer, if I find a game that has the potential of offering these items I am more than happy to throw down my $50.

Traits I look for in a game:

  1. Strong PvE content, with no forced PvP
  2. In depth and meaninful character development
  3. Slower advancement with plenty of content at all levels
  4. Tactical combat - as opposed to twitch or endless button mashing
  5. Diverse meaningful character classes (or skill tree, as long as everyone cannot be everything)
  6. Meaningful choices during character advancement(you have to live with your descisions, not respec to the flavor of the month) All choices should have both advantages and disadvantages.
  7. Strong group orientation with some solo content
  8. Robust economy, tradeskills, housing, non-combat content.

You cannot build a game to be both PvE centric and PvP centric. They need to decide which they are after and announce it early so the 50% of the market that is not interested in the game style they are developing can move on to tracking other games.

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
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The Furniture

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4/16/08 11:36:53 AM#12
Originally posted by Nightbringe1


You cannot build a game to be both PvE centric and PvP centric.

Remember SWG?


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4/16/08 2:03:47 PM#13

Its not a game..... Its a great idea for a game though.    

I will check back and see how thier take on character use (PvP,PvE) gives us more of a feel for the game.  

I found the selection of races to be a bit shallow and not very creative for a sci-fi game.  I look forward to how the other races shape up.



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4/16/08 6:33:34 PM#14

Will not happen. Just taking up forum space another game could be using.


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4/16/08 8:42:58 PM#15

My, my, my, still around...

"Divergence is a modular-based MMO using the C4 engine for most graphical work and front-end and PX Interactives MMO server middleware to handle multiplayer and network traffic. As I may have boasted in earlier threads, we use several groups for 3d content including Liquid Development; responsible for 3d assets for big name games such as Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, Guild Wars and City of Heroes. Other groups include Rocketbox Libraries for our armor and clothing as well as animations for said characters and even 3DRT for the cheap stuff."

Also add in FaceGen for the character generator.

Nothing to see here, just purchased or borrowed assets thrown together.

As Keogh mentioned before of posting a link.
Read those messages of mine and compare with what they have now.  A game that is supposely all done, but just lacks the money...

Its all spin.

And that is why...

Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.


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The only difference between a Troll and a Fanboi is which side of the fence they stand on.

4/16/08 8:46:15 PM#16

Does anybody remember when they first came out they were going to liscense BigWorld and within the first few months announced they had all the coding done, they were just waiting for the funding?

In November I got a chance to talk with Ethan on the phone actually, at the time he was looking at Hero.

Now it appears they're using C4 + PX.

- CaesarsGhost

Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."

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4/16/08 8:48:39 PM#17

lol nice link.
Why is the links always borked on this site? Cold fusion to complex? Hehehe Come'on! It's a link!


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4/16/08 8:58:44 PM#18

Huray another sub-standard mmo!

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4/16/08 9:07:16 PM#19


Originally posted by darwa
Originally posted by Keogh


You should also read this:


Which is over a year old, and despite what the poster implied, there is a game forming up nicely, so no, you shouldn't read that. lol

Oh, I think people should read it.



You'll really like this blast from the past:

We're not going to have to have the same discussion two years later, are we?


Oh, and here's a recent one where they tried to get money by charging people for the privilege of seeing patch notes lol:


Qoute/ "The contributor-only area will be getting a dose of new content. This will include a regular update on where exactly we're at with the game from a user friendly standpoint. Think of it as early access to patch notes. Also Contributor status has been hard-coded to the $50 it should have been. Occasionally an error was reported where paying only 10$ got you in. Anyone who paid $10 and got in has been grandfathered in (meaning you don't have to pay more)." /end quote.


Seriously dude, I don't know what investment you have in Divergence, but it ain't paying off any time soon. These people were removed in the first place because they kept trying to pass of other peoples artwork and such as their own. I doubt anything has changed since then, especially in light of the aforementioned money attempt.

In fact here's the link to the entire old forum here, so people can see the whole thing themselves:


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4/16/08 9:13:10 PM#20

Mabye they can try to bribe their players into giving them money! Woo sounds fun..

I'm a developer and I know things...PAY ME MONEY!  (yeah, their that poor)

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