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Acaeus 4/15/08 9:41:41 AM
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Originally posted by n25philly You dispute a single point, why 3rd party drivers aren't allowed, giving your personal opinion of why, and then go ahead and claim that the whole huge article with many technical details is "crock of BS."
For whoever is interested, this is Microsoft's Official "rebuttal:" http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx "Will Windows Vista content protection features increase CPU resource consumption? Yes. However, the use of additional CPU cycles is inevitable..." Note that the question was specific about "content protection features" and the answer was "yes."
BTW, what the hell is multithreading in a OS?! If a game (like EQ2) is single-threaded, there is nothing Vista (or nay OS) can do to magically make it multithreaded. The application has to be modified to be made multithreaded. |
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zantax 4/15/08 12:42:02 PM
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Joined: 1/11/05 |
Well it really doesn't matter here what anyone says, the XP die hards won't budge from the thought of losing XP. It still comes down to a simple fact of change, people don't like it, it happened from every previous OS to every new one. Heck I was even one of the ones that LIKED the change from 98se to ME, just for the new netcode that was part of ME. 98se never could talk via the network like ME did, the speeds that I got and ping rates literally were cut by 1/3, BUT I did get more blue screens then normal. However for gaming ME was the way to go, stability wise not so much. When XP came out I saw an OS that SUCKED horribly until some updates came out, i remember some programs and games wouldn't work at all in XP. Upgrading it ment that I needed at least a Pentium 233 or higher with minimum of 256MB of ram...OMG and the Video requirements of my Voodoo 2 just sucked at that point. God I couldn't play half my games the way I did on ME or 98, and programs hated XP I remember Easy CD creator being a biatch to get working in XP originally oh and lets not talk about CD Burner drivers...MY GOD, we should have stayed with ME or 98. Oh wait, SP1 and 2 came out and a few years pass and how many people would go back to 98se now? It all boils down to people not wanting change, the amount of CPU Cycles for DRM...blah blah blah, Memory Usage...BLAH BLAH BLAH, size of OS on hard drive.... BLAH BLAH BLAH. Look at dos, it fit on a FLOPPY DISK, not a 1.44MB disk but a 320k 5'25" disk and it took time to load. Your OS was under 320K to load???? Go up from there what is windows 3.11 to load 25 x 720k disk, and 95 is like 40 x 1.44MB...OMG soon the OS will be the entire HDD. Technology advances, OS's advance with them, they follow what people ask for in alot of cases and what we need to move to the next level in technology. DX10 requires Vista, I am not saying it is the end all beat all reason to upgrade but wouldn't it be nice to fully use your spanky new video card? Everyone screams that windows is to unsecure in XP, so they pile on the security in Vista, now everyone feels choked, well that is what we wanted, thankfully you can disable or modify most of the security in Vista. What is happening is the same thing that happens when anything is changed, Windows Vista will live on, windows 7 will come out and so will Windows 2020, but each time we will have THOUSANDS of people out there that don't want to change. And every time all those thousands of people will change with the times because something will require them to eventually. It is time for microsoft to full cut its backward compatability and start fresh, and I think that is what they are really trying to do with Vista. Once the shed all there backward compatability I really believe no one will have anything to complain about. Oh as for those saying that 3rd party drivers are not allowed, has anyone seen the third party drivers for Creatives equipment to give better and all functionality to there hardware in vista. It is a good read on the Creative forums, but I know Creative threatened the guy who was writing these drivers and he has quit now but just goes to show that 3rd party drivers are allowed in vista you just have to know what your doing. I say GO VISTA, and I can't wait for the next evolution of Windows, i will be leading the change there just as I did with Vista. It will be a fun ride, and it will be more fun to hear all the people screaming that they still want to stay with Vista now or even still XP. I really believe Windows 7 will be the next ME, they are trying to bridge the gap between xp and vista just like ME tried to do between 98 and 2000 at the time then XP was released after they figured out what they did wrong. I really believe Vista is the Windows 2000 of today, and the next version after Windows 7 will be the XP of tommorow, but until then I am happy with Windows Vista Ultimate X64. |
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turnipz 4/15/08 2:35:05 PM
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You talk about vista being the future and to just accept it, etc.. etc.., well I dont really remember, did ME fail as an operating system? |
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altairzq 4/15/08 2:48:29 PM
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Originally posted by BigMango Pay 300€ to get a OS what runs more or less like XP, but with some problems with some software, and that needs more resources.. WOW YES I'M FOR IT. |
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zantax 4/15/08 3:40:50 PM
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Originally posted by turnipzYou obviously didn't read my full post turnipz....I said ME was trying to bridge the gap between 98 and 2000, then they brought out xp. I never said ME was a success, it was a failure on a buisness level but alot of people who played network games found the same thing I did, that the netcode in ME was superior to 98, and the same as 2000. Yes it had its issues, however I suggested that Windows 7 will be the the next ME trying to bridge the gap between xp and Vista. Then the next OS that comes out will be the next xp, If you look back to how long Windows 2000 stayed around after XP came out and then use my thought process of Windows 7 = Windows ME and Windows Vista = Windows 2000 then the next version of windows lets say Windows 8 = Windows XP. |
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n25philly 4/15/08 4:03:13 PM
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Joined: 4/23/04 |
Originally posted by Acaeus1) You post a blog about blue ray and hd-dvd, systems that have DRM requirements in any system that plays them, even things like blue-ray players.
2) The very next paragraph after the phrase you quoted say that the same protection requirements are in XP
3) Vista is multi-threaded and takes full advantage of multiple core cpu's, XP does not.
You can twist words all you want, it won't make them true. |
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Acaeus 4/15/08 8:47:44 PM
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Originally posted by n25philly Do you have any comment concerning the bit I quoted (from a MS engineer on vistablog) a | |
Are you referring to that Vista can use multiple cores? So can XP, and every other OS nowadays! Processes are given cpu cyles by the kernel scheduler and if the OS can use multiple cores then so can its scheduler. Multithreading is a single process concept (single program). A game, for example, can be multithreaded or not, depending on design. 