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  est0nia

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Posts: 70

4/24/08 3:39:00 PM#101

 

Originally posted by Xris375

 

Originally posted by Theodgrim

 

Originally posted by Xris375

 

Originally posted by 3on1

lol @ the ppl who can only say "go to AoC forum troll"

maybe just prove all the "AoC fanboys" that darkfall isnt vaporware

ow wait,, u cant


um you prove that DF is vaporware

 

ow wait,,u cant

 

Only those claiming they have something tangible are required to prove it. 

Lets take another example.  You tell me you have an invisible airplane.  I dont have to prove the invisible airplane doesnt exist - you are the one that has to convince me it does.  If you cant, or wont, it is reasonable to claim BS. 

 

LOL says who ? Is that like a law of nature ?

 

It's a law of commen sense. Something that most who still folow DF seem to be heavily lacking.

  TdogSkal

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4/24/08 3:47:17 PM#102

Originally posted by est0nia

 

Originally posted by Xris375

 

Originally posted by Theodgrim

 

Originally posted by Xris375

 

Originally posted by 3on1

lol @ the ppl who can only say "go to AoC forum troll"

maybe just prove all the "AoC fanboys" that darkfall isnt vaporware

ow wait,, u cant


um you prove that DF is vaporware

 

ow wait,,u cant

 

Only those claiming they have something tangible are required to prove it. 

Lets take another example.  You tell me you have an invisible airplane.  I dont have to prove the invisible airplane doesnt exist - you are the one that has to convince me it does.  If you cant, or wont, it is reasonable to claim BS. 

 

LOL says who ? Is that like a law of nature ?

 

It's a law of commen sense. Something that most who still folow DF seem to be heavily lacking.

 Its not a law of commen sense.  You have to prove it doesnt exist just as much as you want us to prove it does exist.  Plus we have screenshot's, Video's, Developer blogs, Developers doing Interviews but that is not proof enough for you but you cant come up with one thing that proves it does not exist.

Perfect example is God.  I dont have to prove God exists for people to believe he is real. 

You need to learn commen sense before posting but I have already told you that.

Sooner or Later

  Theodgrim

Novice Member

Joined: 9/17/06
Posts: 548

4/24/08 4:07:11 PM#103

 

Originally posted by Xris375

 

Originally posted by Theodgrim

 

Originally posted by Xris375

 

Originally posted by 3on1

lol @ the ppl who can only say "go to AoC forum troll"

maybe just prove all the "AoC fanboys" that darkfall isnt vaporware

ow wait,, u cant


um you prove that DF is vaporware

 

ow wait,,u cant

 

Only those claiming they have something tangible are required to prove it. 

Lets take another example.  You tell me you have an invisible airplane.  I dont have to prove the invisible airplane doesnt exist - you are the one that has to convince me it does.  If you cant, or wont, it is reasonable to claim BS. 

 

LOL says who ? Is that like a law of nature ?

Lets take an example. You tell me you are making a game. I say, cool, can I play it ? You say, no you have to wait for it to finish. Then you can try if for free. The thing you are not saying then is OMG, it is vaporware or BS. The only one who has that right is the investors - and they are still paying the bills.

 


Says folks using basic reason and logical thought?

 

OK, lets use your example.  2 years go by, and I start taking signups for beta on my website!  6 months later I remove it.  I let you know the whole time that beta is around the corner...and continue that for another year and a half.  Then I announce a clan beta will begin soon!  Even taking personal info on a few guilds that have been approved for the clan beta.  But the clan beta never starts.  2 years later I announce a "fully functional and stable" beta build is complete!  (nevermind that I have been suggesting I had a suitable beta build for at least several years) Nothing significant happens for about another year and a half...and here we are. 

So, what do you think of my game?  It has the most impressive feature list, promises the biggest virtual world ever, gameplay never before seen.  So good it will sell itself.  Can you play it now, under NDA?  No...we are like...looking for a publisher, or something.  But dont worry, we have also created the most sophisticated AI testing bots ever seen.  Pros are testing it, we dont want any public beta testers to break NDA and sell our awesome secrets to the competition.  Besides, I have investors.  No investor has ever lost money on a game project, so you know I am legitimate and am not talking crap.  Really.  Now, I have to go work on my invisible plane.

  Wo0ah

Novice Member

Joined: 2/06/08
Posts: 14

4/24/08 10:24:34 PM#104

We would give troll a link to beta and they would scream vaporware.

They would be playing the game and yet they would still scream about it never coming out in general chat.

Let us waste our time on this game, don't waste yours if you really think this game will never see the light.

  Gorilla

Old School

Joined: 6/07/04
Posts: 2218

4/25/08 5:31:42 AM#105

No one has to prove anything. MMORPG.com has a set of listing criteria. If a developers project satisfies that criteria it is listed if it does not it won't be. If you think DFO may not satisfy that criteria PM MMORPG staff. listings are not decided by petition and I suspect never will be.

 

Oh wait this entire thread is flame bait and nothing to do with getting DFO de-listed . You gottta laugh the amount of energy people waste to get a rise  :) :) GG

  est0nia

Novice Member

Joined: 4/21/08
Posts: 70

4/25/08 7:19:28 AM#106
Originally posted by Gorilla

MMORPG.com has a set of listing criteria.


Than maybe that should be changed?  Change is always good.

  Gorilla

Old School

Joined: 6/07/04
Posts: 2218

4/25/08 7:34:15 AM#107

Sure, I'd like to see them broaden there mandate. A couple of things they have reported in news that won't be getting listings looked interesting to me.

  est0nia

Novice Member

Joined: 4/21/08
Posts: 70

4/25/08 8:02:15 AM#108

I think there needs to be some kind of quality control as to what gets listed and supported here...  I mean you have games like Atriarch for example that is never going to see the light of day.. What's the point of it being here? It's not like people can discuss a game that they will eventually get to play.....

They could have those type of games "listed". But there shouldn't be any kind of forums or reporting on tem unless they enter a phase of development where it's really clear that they are coming out..

Darkfall has yet to even begin to approach a phase like that after 7 years.

  botagar

Novice Member

Joined: 2/06/08
Posts: 15

4/25/08 8:11:01 AM#109

This is increadible...

why the f**k do people come in here if they so passionately hate the game?

 

hey i got an idea, lets wipe out all christians on the planet! They say there is a god, and in the past they have committed genocide over this god making humanity look bad, and all they have to show that god exists is a book and a handful of unverified miracles!

This is what i see in this thread...

(i by no means am posting this do degrade or pay out christianity. I am using sarcasm.)

 

If you dont think a handful of videos, countless pictures and Dev journals are enough, not to mention a reputable staff member amonst their ranks, i don't know what will convince you. DONT play the "DF has been in development for 7-9 years" card because Darkfall got taken over from RazorWax by Aventurine. They then went and overhauled EVERYTHING! A FRESH START! so, that makes development time only really about 4 YEARS!!! F**k me if expect a small time company to produce a REVOLUTIONARY MMO in the space of 4 years. I mean seriously, thats roughly the same a AoC, HOWEVER, AoC have decided to rush things and are spewing out and unfinished product.

MMO's need to be rid of deadlines. The one thing that causes all these cry's of  "Vapor Ware" is the fact that DF has NO deadline and a well capable of funding themselves.

  Gazenthia

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Joined: 9/07/07
Posts: 1196

InvaderGaz

4/26/08 7:48:47 PM#110

Just throwing my opinion in here:

This game isn't going to come out, and it is widely believed that it isn't. Mention Darkfall anywhere else, and you will get the response of "vaporware". This would be because of how long this game has taken to develop- so far. Even if they release the game today or ten years from now, its just going to die at this point due to age so the disappointment will remain and the game will vanish just the same.

There was a beta announced in 2003? Did anybody get in, and have proof of that? If not, I'm willing to say that the OP might have been on to something when they were talking about this being a scam or study. Given enough money I imagine I could make it seem like I was developing an MMO too.

Why am I here? Because of all the comments about Darkfall being vaporware. I was curious to look in here, and I am honestly surprised people think this will come out. But hey, I don't suppose there's any harm leaving the forums up although it isn't fair to games like Rappelz when Darkfall is the one with an easily accessed forum.

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  xBankaix

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Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 15

4/26/08 8:10:22 PM#111
Originally posted by Gazenthia

Just throwing my opinion in here:

This game isn't going to come out, and it is widely believed that it isn't. Mention Darkfall anywhere else, and you will get the response of "vaporware". This would be because of how long this game has taken to develop- so far. Even if they release the game today or ten years from now, its just going to die at this point due to age so the disappointment will remain and the game will vanish just the same.

There was a beta announced in 2003? Did anybody get in, and have proof of that? If not, I'm willing to say that the OP might have been on to something when they were talking about this being a scam or study. Given enough money I imagine I could make it seem like I was developing an MMO too.

Why am I here? Because of all the comments about Darkfall being vaporware. I was curious to look in here, and I am honestly surprised people think this will come out. But hey, I don't suppose there's any harm leaving the forums up although it isn't fair to games like Rappelz when Darkfall is the one with an easily accessed forum.


proof please : ) If its has everythig promised or close too and it snot lag infested it will killa ny mmo out there in gameplay

  DarthRaiden

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4/26/08 8:19:45 PM#112

Originally posted by Stradden

 

Hey Guys,

 

We're not going to be removing the game from the site. This is still a game in development according to the company involved. Their game meets our criteria for listing, and from where I sit there is no reason to take it down. We will not take it down until a) the developers tell us that they have stopped production on the game or b) they fail to meet our criteria for listing.

 

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  Gazenthia

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InvaderGaz

4/26/08 9:53:12 PM#113
Originally posted by xBankaix
proof please : ) If its has everythig promised or close too and it snot lag infested it will killa ny mmo out there in gameplay

I provided proof. A lot of people have provided proof.

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  botagar

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Posts: 15

4/26/08 10:28:16 PM#114

*sigh*

i thought this ended last night...

the AoC fanbois don't shut up do they?...

Lets sort out the fact:

1) the current version of DarkFall has only been in development for about 4-5 years
(if some bigger company came and took over funcom and decided to keep the concepts and throw out any work done on it, would you count dev time from the very beginning or from the take over?)

2) the beta that almost happened was just before the take over (i think). It may be why beta never went ahead.

3) lag will probably only be determined by your computer and internet speed. DF is going to be using Server Cluster Technology. Aventurine have admitted themselves that this is unproven technology, and if it works, it would revolutionise server setups.

4) the reason for not much game content filtering out to the public because DF (as stated before many times) does NOT have a PR guy/team. A small group of programmers probably have enough on their hands creating a revolutionising mmo than to worry about feeding the public.

5) there is enought proof that DF office exists, weather you AoC fanbios bent on converting DF fans will aknowledge it or not.

6) DF devs want exploring the game to be fun. by releasing a whole heap of info before launch, they would take away the fun of exploring since you already know that some place does this and that place holds this etc...

7) Throw more questions at me... if you can. (sensible ones...)

  Aragon100

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4/26/08 10:38:51 PM#115

Originally posted by Gazenthia

Just throwing my opinion in here:

This game isn't going to come out, and it is widely believed that it isn't. Mention Darkfall anywhere else, and you will get the response of "vaporware". This would be because of how long this game has taken to develop- so far. Even if they release the game today or ten years from now, its just going to die at this point due to age so the disappointment will remain and the game will vanish just the same.

There was a beta announced in 2003? Did anybody get in, and have proof of that? If not, I'm willing to say that the OP might have been on to something when they were talking about this being a scam or study. Given enough money I imagine I could make it seem like I was developing an MMO too.

Why am I here? Because of all the comments about Darkfall being vaporware. I was curious to look in here, and I am honestly surprised people think this will come out. But hey, I don't suppose there's any harm leaving the forums up although it isn't fair to games like Rappelz when Darkfall is the one with an easily accessed forum.


LOL. Beta 2003 have NOTHING to do with the game developed now. Why dont you read up on the game before posting stupidity like this?

If you want a discussion on the matter of Aventurine history and beta here and beta there be my guest, but you Sir dont have a clue. Another nosayer that failed.=)

  Gazenthia

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InvaderGaz

4/26/08 10:46:03 PM#116
Originally posted by botagar

the AoC fanbois don't shut up do they?...


I'm not going to play AoC. I am Lamaria on their official forums, so you can see that I gave up on it sometime ago, and was awfully late to the info-boat on it. For that matter I am not going to play any MMO right now, nor do I see myself doing so anytime in the near future. So you can put the idea that I am some sort of "fanboi" in its proper place.

The evidence I provided was the amount of time Darkfall has spent in development according to its own followers. I don't know of any games that have spent that amount of time in development, being published and being successful.

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  botagar

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4/26/08 10:52:40 PM#117

ok your not a fanboi. i apologize.

I still do not retract my previous statement however because i believe it applies to alot of DF naysayers here (not you Gazenthia)

I dont know what other DF fans have been saying, but Darkfall started around 2000-2001 as the company 'RazorWax' but got taken over around 2003-2004 by a company who had previously done military simulations for some country, called Aventurine. When that happened, a whole engine overhaul happened and most artwork was redone (3d models, textures etc).

Since then Aventurine has been copping a whole heap of shit from what i believe are threatened Game developers and their fans. lets face it, If darkfall has all the things it promises, it will be sucessfull.

  Gazenthia

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4/26/08 10:53:42 PM#118
Originally posted by Aragon100

 


LOL. Beta 2003 have NOTHING to do with the game developed now. Why dont you read up on the game before posting stupidity like this?

 

If you want a discussion on the matter of Aventurine history and beta here and beta there be my guest, but you Sir dont have a clue. Another nosayer that failed.=)

First things first, your post was unnecessarily nasty and hostile. Absolutely no need for the tone of your post, and clearly you do not want a discussion about the game. Its clear you skimmed my post, saw red, and just went all ARHUAHAHGGGGGGHHHH because the response does not fit as a reply to what I said.

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  mike470

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4/26/08 10:58:37 PM#119

 

Originally posted by botagar

*sigh*

i thought this ended last night...

the AoC fanbois don't shut up do they?...

Lets sort out the fact:

1) the current version of DarkFall has only been in development for about 4-5 years
(if some bigger company came and took over funcom and decided to keep the concepts and throw out any work done on it, would you count dev time from the very beginning or from the take over?)

Agreed, 5 years.

2) the beta that almost happened was just before the take over (i think). It may be why beta never went ahead.

Almost happened?!  Please!  If this was before they wiped out everything, than that clearly means they weren't even close to a beta in the first place.

3) lag will probably only be determined by your computer and internet speed. DF is going to be using Server Cluster Technology. Aventurine have admitted themselves that this is unproven technology, and if it works, it would revolutionise server setups.

1)  Didn't Darkfall say they could run on almost any computer?  I think so!  So lag should not be an issue

2)What if it doesn't work?  So after 5 (and soon to be more) years of development, they are going to take a huge risk on the server set-up?  That's a good idea....

4) the reason for not much game content filtering out to the public because DF (as stated before many times) does NOT have a PR guy/team. A small group of programmers probably have enough on their hands creating a revolutionising mmo than to worry about feeding the public.

It's not that hard to get a little video ready and go to a gaming convention.  I mean really, they just keep showing that they don't care about the success of their game. 

If Darkfall is such a "revolutionizing MMO" than why don't they care to show this game to many others?  It doesn't matter if they have a PR department.  Just take it to a big convention, and if this game is all it's cracked up to be, people will be interested and will follow/support the game, and possibly purchase it in the future.

5) there is enought proof that DF office exists, weather you AoC fanbios bent on converting DF fans will aknowledge it or not.

But what there is not proof of is how far it is in development.  Words are just words.

6) DF devs want exploring the game to be fun. by releasing a whole heap of info before launch, they would take away the fun of exploring since you already know that some place does this and that place holds this etc...

I didn't know a video and a useful development journal every now and then is known as releasing a whole heap of information.......

7) Throw more questions at me... if you can. (sensible ones...)

Ok.

Why won't Darkfall finally show how great this "revolutionizing MMO" really is, instead of giving minimal information ever few weeks, with hardly any videos? 

Why won't they even attempt to try to get Darkfall's  name out there to the public?

 

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  Gishgeron

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4/26/08 11:04:13 PM#120
Originally posted by botagar

*sigh*

i thought this ended last night...

the AoC fanbois don't shut up do they?...

Lets sort out the fact:

1) the current version of DarkFall has only been in development for about 4-5 years
(if some bigger company came and took over funcom and decided to keep the concepts and throw out any work done on it, would you count dev time from the very beginning or from the take over?)

  You over-estimate what was tossed out when that merger happened.  If you really think they threw an entire game away, then I've got some lovely swampland to sell you.  Like any other programmer, they kept the parts that functioned within the setup they decided to change to.  When they say they started over, they mean they went back and restructured the underlaying code that makes it all run.  They very likely did not straight up junk every last written tidbit just because.  Any sort of quote to prove me wrong is going to be a direct lie, its just not intelligent work to do that when many things can function just fine under different structures.

2) the beta that almost happened was just before the take over (i think). It may be why beta never went ahead.

Beta has "never happened" a handful of times already.  They have delivered quite reasonable excuses each time.  None of this does anything to refute the fact that no beta has occurred, and no even remotely playable version of the game has been shown to anyone that isn't completely unknown.

3) lag will probably only be determined by your computer and internet speed. DF is going to be using Server Cluster Technology. Aventurine have admitted themselves that this is unproven technology, and if it works, it would revolutionise server setups.

I have nothing to argue here, though...I thought EVE used Cluster technology.  I'm almost certain they run one, and only one, actual sever...and that the zones are divided up amongst server clusters.

4) the reason for not much game content filtering out to the public because DF (as stated before many times) does NOT have a PR guy/team. A small group of programmers probably have enough on their hands creating a revolutionising mmo than to worry about feeding the public.

One does not 'need' a PR team, or even a PR guy.  They need nothing more than a client (which, they would have to have already) and a computer.  They don't even have to attend the bloody convention, they can tell their investors to do it and just hand them a bloody PC.  Even better, they could just make one call to one reputable gaming news source and get someone down there FOR FREE to touch the client and make a video...no PR or cash involved.

5) there is enought proof that DF office exists, weather you AoC fanbios bent on converting DF fans will aknowledge it or not.

There is no question that an office exists.  There is question as to what that office is used for...and securing a location to house a couple of desks and some PC's really isn't all that hard.  I could do it right now, and I make so little money that I'd fall under "poverty level" as defined by our government.  We have yet to see anyone, outside of their controlled circle, actually be allowed in that office. 

6) DF devs want exploring the game to be fun. by releasing a whole heap of info before launch, they would take away the fun of exploring since you already know that some place does this and that place holds this etc...

Thats about the most insane thing I have ever heard.  They are refusing to release info because they wanna keep it secret so we can find it ourselves.  You DO realize that we don't NEED a play by play of every last zone and town right?  I don't think anyone is asking for a full NPC list and directory of NPC functions for each of them.  You really need to think about how blind you are being, at least on this matter if NOTHING else.  I'll even drop the whole thing if you agree that your stance on this is pretty "out there".

7) Throw more questions at me... if you can. (sensible ones...)

Why have they not used the FREE and HANDS OFF resources at their command to get this game some light?  Why have they never allowed anything of substance to surface?  Why do they not provide a simple fraps of some basic elements...like ship combat?  A fraps doesn't require a PR team...it takes one guy pushing one button.  It can be done in 10 minutes, while he is smoking, having sex, drinking booze, and using the bathroom.  Doing so would provide the community with something great at no expense to the company and no real time lost in production.  Why do they ignore all of these things?

Heres another one:

Why do you still believe them even though they very obviously have lied to you about what they are capable of showing off?  I can name easy ways for them to show off the game or the client all day.  I can name off free ways too.  Why do you still buy that load of crap they feed you about it?

 

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