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    Im tired of people saying this and that takes skill or no skill.

You have spells and attacks. You drag these  graphical algorithims to a Hotbar. You read said skill and it states.

You do X damage to X target. You heal X target for X health. How much skill does it take to understand this?

THESE below statements are generalized.

It doesnt take skill to read. Reading would be a skill if it wasnt' taught to you from birth. Consider it a passive ability. Typing quickly is a skill. Pushing numbers 1-0 on your keypad is not.

Reacting to in game situations and deciding what skill to use is not a skill. You react to and make decicions to real life situations all the time so it is only natural that you can do this in a video game.

MMOGs do require a small degree of coordination, they require awareness, practice to get things down and an understanding of the underlying mechanics. Of course, you can still just sink a lot of time into the game and let other players carry you... which results in the fabled "Level Capped Newbasaur."

  Someone who just sucks flat out and repeatedley breaks snares after being told what to look for and how to react is lacking intelligence and basic deductive reasoning.

What is skill?

According to Dictionary.com

"MMORPG playing is one of my best skills." Your average person/employer would laugh uncontrollably at this statement.

    I know my argument can be turned around in many areas and argued against.

I guess if you were to use the word skill pertaining to an MMO it would be applied to those who excel and are top PvPer's/raiders. As being at the top level in this area requires alot of skill. Understanding each class, knowing how to counter and deal with each class, and positioning actually requires thought and not pushing 1-0.

  I know this will offend many MMO players as  playing said MMO may be the only illusional "skill" that person has in real life.

Want skill?swing a bat,bounce a ball, jump rope, sing, play piano,etc

Real Life skill is the only skill I need.

Originally posted by XImpalerX

    Im tired of people saying this and that takes skill or no skill.

You have spells and attacks. You drag these  graphical algorithims to a Hotbar. You read said skill and it states.

You do X damage to X target. You heal X target for X health. How much skill does it take to understand this?

THESE below statements are generalized.

It doesnt take skill to read. Reading would be a skill if it wasnt' taught to you from birth. Consider it a passive ability. Typing quickly is a skill. Pushing numbers 1-0 on your keypad is not.

Reacting to in game situations and deciding what skill to use is not a skill. You react to and make decicions to real life situations all the time so it is only natural that you can do this in a video game.

MMOGs do require a small degree of coordination, they require awareness, practice to get things down and an understanding of the underlying mechanics. Of course, you can still just sink a lot of time into the game and let other players carry you... which results in the fabled "Level Capped Newbasaur."

  Someone who just sucks flat out and repeatedley breaks snares after being told what to look for and how to react is lacking intelligence and basic deductive reasoning.

What is skill?

According to Dictionary.com

1.	the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well: Carpentry was one of his many skills.

2.	competent excellence in performance; expertness; dexterity: The dancers performed with skill.

3.	a craft, trade, or job requiring manual dexterity or special training in which a person has competence and experience: the skill of cabinetmaking.

"MMORPG playing is one of my best skills." Your average person/employer would laugh uncontrollably at this statement.

 

    I know my argument can be turned around in many areas and argued against.

I guess if you were to use the word skill pertaining to an MMO it would be applied to those who excel and are top PvPer's/raiders. As being at the top level in this area requires alot fo skill. Understanding each class, knowing how to counter and deal with each class, and positioning actually requires thought and not pushing 1-0

and perfecting skill points, and figuring out which combination of attacks or spells in what order to maximize damage isn't a skill?

Most have no skill but some do.

Originally posted by Vampir

 

Originally posted by XImpalerX

    Im tired of people saying this and that takes skill or no skill.

You have spells and attacks. You drag these  graphical algorithims to a Hotbar. You read said skill and it states.

You do X damage to X target. You heal X target for X health. How much skill does it take to understand this?

THESE below statements are generalized.

It doesnt take skill to read. Reading would be a skill if it wasnt' taught to you from birth. Consider it a passive ability. Typing quickly is a skill. Pushing numbers 1-0 on your keypad is not.

Reacting to in game situations and deciding what skill to use is not a skill. You react to and make decicions to real life situations all the time so it is only natural that you can do this in a video game.

MMOGs do require a small degree of coordination, they require awareness, practice to get things down and an understanding of the underlying mechanics. Of course, you can still just sink a lot of time into the game and let other players carry you... which results in the fabled "Level Capped Newbasaur."

  Someone who just sucks flat out and repeatedley breaks snares after being told what to look for and how to react is lacking intelligence and basic deductive reasoning.

What is skill?

According to Dictionary.com

1.	the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well: Carpentry was one of his many skills.

2.	competent excellence in performance; expertness; dexterity: The dancers performed with skill.

3.	a craft, trade, or job requiring manual dexterity or special training in which a person has competence and experience: the skill of cabinetmaking.

"MMORPG playing is one of my best skills." Your average person/employer would laugh uncontrollably at this statement.

 

    I know my argument can be turned around in many areas and argued against.

I guess if you were to use the word skill pertaining to an MMO it would be applied to those who excel and are top PvPer's/raiders. As being at the top level in this area requires alot fo skill. Understanding each class, knowing how to counter and deal with each class, and positioning actually requires thought and not pushing 1-0

 

and perfecting skill points, and figuring out which combination of attacks or spells in what order to maximize damage isn't a skill?

Most have no skill but some do.

  Yes that would be mathematical skill. Not game playing skill. If you are better at math than the opposing player these Skill formulas will come easier to you.

X spell casts in 3 sec and does X damage. Y spell casts in 2 sec and does X damage. Z spell casts in 1 sec and does X damage.

You calculate how long it takes for an average mob to get to you. say it takes 6 seconds.

X spell casts in 3 seconds meaning 2 casts before said target arrives to you. But it left the target with 10% health. So you say ok what spell can i cast that does roughly 10% damage and uses a small amount of resources? Ill cast Z move back for 1 second  and cast  X-X. +1-1+3+3=6 Or you stay in orignal spot cast X-X-Y and take 1 melee attack. 3+3+1=7 seconds. You sacrifice 1 second and absorb 1 attack.

Your right being a mathematician is a skill.

  I guess you could say that if you have skills in life that can be applied to skills in a video game..then you are playing that game with skill.

I double posted this for you because everyone should see it, If you honestly believe top end players have no skill at playing the game, you're an ignorant fool.

Math skill (what spells to fire off), skilled co-ordination (fd, firing off spells on long duration, curing at the right time, dps on and off, listening to verbal commands and executing them), critical thinking during AoE's, where to run, when to run, how far to run, using past experience and applying it to new encounters are all skills related and bundled into every MMO differently, its called game mechanics.  Therefore you can chose to understand and apply this knowledge set of mechanics, a.k.a SKILL SET to either suck or be elite.  If you believe every player does the same thing in a monotonous motion of pressing 1-2-3-4-5-6 *encounter dead, you obviously were never good at MMO's in the first place, or you, yourself fall into the category of a shitty player.

Have you participated in learning a new strategy? have you been in server best, world best guild? have you had the dedication to learn your class and the most effective way to utilize it? probably not, but most people have, now I'm talking about raiding, because 1 hit mob encounters obviously take no skill to push 1 or 2 or even 3 buttons, but when you have an encounter that takes 10+ minutes to beat, with multiple aoes, damage shields, spawning adds, etc, you can't tell me that those participating in the kill have no skill.  (Thats like saying hockey takes no skill because all you have to do is windup for a slapshot, fire the puck at 100mph and you'll score, or that since dodging a hit in real life is something your naturally going to do, taking a hit the proper way is not a skill, because hey there both games being played just on a different medium, or lets use golf as another one, wind up fire your ball, is judging the wind speed and direction, and lie of the pin a skill? when all your doing is clubbing a ball?) Its obviously something you have never done, so why don't you create a poll on the subject, and you'll find your ideals are severley mistaken.

I've seen my fair share of retards with damn great gear and full masters apply to the guild I was in and fail horribley because they sucked, now is sucking due to lack of skill? or sucking due to lack of math skill because they couldn't parse higher than a dirge and obviously weren't hitting the right spells/ca's? which is chalked up to experience, potential, aptitude, and ability, all of which constitutes as a skill.

The dicitonary spells it out for you, yet you still believe they take no skill?

Edit: to save the feelings of others, as per request of the moderator.

Originally posted by XImpalerX

 

It doesnt take skill to read. Reading would be a skill if it wasnt' taught to you from birth. Consider it a passive ability. Typing quickly is a skill. Pushing numbers 1-0 on your keypad is not.

1.	the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well: Carpentry was one of his many skills.

Just a question here. But wouldn't by the definition given from dictionary.com mean that reading is a skill?

Reading comprehension is a skill which was not addressed by the OP.

Edit: to save the feelings of others, as per request of the moderator.

Most peoples focusing on a MMO focus for reasons that are not related to skills.

Success throught a journey is definitely a key reason.  But by no mean the only reason.  Some peoples even value success to be so important that it should be determined randomly (which is 99% of the PvP/Raiding in MMO, whichever side is bigger/stronger wins, there is a random in the component of who is online and who isn't, rather than on your capacity as a player).  Removing all form of real challenges and "skills" as you see it, it is very important to some players (RvR type/Raiders type).  If you are patient and willing to endure anything, you will succeed in a MMO.

Peoples who would value SOME amounts of skills, they are usually show angry monkey comments.  If you value "skills", it would be better in a LAN than online.