WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by baso80

Tarvold:

I guess then u didnt take the time to read my source from warhammeralliance where stealth is already confirmed for wittch elf and witch hunter.

 

So with the source and confirmation from the Paris convention, what is it that makes u not convinced?

Its hardly confirmed.  your source is a forum post whose source was another forum post who was just quoting from yet another forum post.  Until we hear it from Mythic its nothing but a rumor.

And besides that everyone is acting as if having stealth makes you unkillable or something. I don't know what it was like in DAoC but in WoW this was hardly the case.  Sure stealth gives you an advantage but you were still vulnerable to AoE and there was a chance that the person will be able to detect you even if you were in stealth

Originally posted by Falcon4196

Originally posted by baso80

Tarvold:

I guess then u didnt take the time to read my source from warhammeralliance where stealth is already confirmed for wittch elf and witch hunter.

 

So with the source and confirmation from the Paris convention, what is it that makes u not convinced?

Its hardly confirmed.  your source is a forum post whose source was another forum post who was just quoting from yet another forum post.  Until we hear it from Mythic its nothing but a rumor.

Don't be too disappointed then when it comes

Will this be doable if the character is in plain sight?  You and nine of your guildmates see someone and bam he is gone/camo/stealthed/whatever.

No one can tell you because nothing is finalized at this point. They could have taken stealth back out already for all you know.

FOR ALL YOU SLOW PEOPLE WHO CANT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THERE IS STEALTH IN WAR

WATCH THIS VIDEO 1.22 WITCH HUNTER GOES INTO STEALTH ! AND A FEW OTHER TIMES IN THIS

RVR/PVP VIDEO PS ITS A NEW VIDEO !

http://trailer.onlinewelten.com/videos,id3490,warhammer_online_szenarien_pvp_presse_event_paris.html

Originally posted by Falcon4196

Originally posted by baso80

Tarvold:

I guess then u didnt take the time to read my source from warhammeralliance where stealth is already confirmed for wittch elf and witch hunter.

 

So with the source and confirmation from the Paris convention, what is it that makes u not convinced?

Its hardly confirmed.  your source is a forum post whose source was another forum post who was just quoting from yet another forum post.  Until we hear it from Mythic its nothing but a rumor.

And besides that everyone is acting as if having stealth makes you unkillable or something. I don't know what it was like in DAoC but in WoW this was hardly the case.  Sure stealth gives you an advantage but you were still vulnerable to AoE and there was a chance that the person will be able to detect you even if you were in stealth

Did u even take a look of the second vid I posted?

Did u even check out the french source or even read the posts on warhammeralliance?

Or are u just closing your eyes and put your fingers into your ears and go LALALALALALALA???

I take it this is directed towards my post above yours.

Originally posted by silverq

WoW didn't invent positional attacks and poisons. But I'm sure we're all getting tired of that argument.

 

Where did I suggest they invented positional attacks or poisons?  And if you're getting tired of that arguement why are you the one bringing it to this forum?

People above my post were saying that it was okay to have stealth so long as it wasn't similar to the WoW rogue sneak attackers.  My intent was to point out that Mythic handed the stealth off to thier high DPS melee classes that are designed to attack the weak caster classes.  Obviously they intend for the witch hunter and witch elf to be ambush attackers or they would implement a universal cooldown when it is deactivated (refer to the video - the witch hunter attacks right away and with his gun which I believe is one of his hardest hits) or at least hand it off to a class that has no ambush benefit to stealth like the healers.

Also, I'd like to point out that collision detection is in this game and probably tied to being "in combat" since they have the PvE/PvP enabling it can be used for griefing players by being PvE and physically blocking a POI with your toon.  So does that mean that stealth will allow players to clip thru a wall of enemy tanks to get at the squishy healers?  Did they just gimp the tanks usefulness in PvP combat if you can ghost right thru them?

Originally posted by Wickersham

I take it this is directed towards my post above yours.

Originally posted by silverq

WoW didn't invent positional attacks and poisons. But I'm sure we're all getting tired of that argument.

 

Where did I suggest they invented positional attacks or poisons?  And if you're getting tired of that arguement why are you the one bringing it to this forum?

People above my post were saying that it was okay to have stealth so long as it wasn't similar to the WoW rogue sneak attackers.  My intent was to point out that Mythic handed the stealth off to thier high DPS melee classes that are designed to attack the weak caster classes.  Obviously they intend for the witch hunter and witch elf to be ambush attackers or they would implement a universal cooldown when it is deactivated (refer to the video - the witch hunter attacks right away and with his gun which I believe is one of his hardest hits) or at least hand it off to a class that has no ambush benefit to stealth like the healers.

Also, I'd like to point out that collision detection is in this game and probably tied to being "in combat" since they have the PvE/PvP enabling it can be used for griefing players by being PvE and physically blocking a POI with your toon.  So does that mean that stealth will allow players to clip thru a wall of enemy tanks to get at the squishy healers?  Did they just gimp the tanks usefulness in PvP combat if you can ghost right thru them?

They talked about this a little more. It's based on strength apparently. You can push through enemies, however depending on your strength you might never be able to push through an enemy. However when there's 2 of you against the same enemy you probably will be able to push through.

here's the article from MMOgamer:

http://www.mmogamer.com/04/04/2008/collision-detection-that-is-the-question

According to a few comments though the article gives the idea that players CD would effect Line of sight which is an error rather than truth it seems.

Originally posted by Pheace

 They talked about this a little more. It's based on strength apparently. You can push through enemies, however depending on your strength you might never be able to push through an enemy. However when there's 2 of you against the same enemy you probably will be able to push through.

here's the article from MMOgamer:

http://www.mmogamer.com/04/04/2008/collision-detection-that-is-the-question

According to a few comments though the article gives the idea that players CD would effect Line of sight which is an error rather than truth it seems.

The next question I would need to ask is about how CD works for Squigs because originally Squigs were supposed to be able to attack rear ranks.  I seem to remember Herders were going to be able to hurt the enemies in back too so you're probably right about the LOS error unless it is a special attack.