Nah, if you're going to do a Warhammer game, better make it look like Warhammer. If you're not going to make it look like Warhammer, don't make a Warhammer game. Dawn of War was also quite successful despite StarCraft already existing. There's no real problem with the graphic style of the two games being somewhat similar. If you're basing what games you play on whether or not you've seen a specific graphic style before, I can't help you, but I'm sure that kind of gamer is exceedingly rare. Gameplay is what keeps a player interested.

Everyone see it as they want to see it.  Obiviously Vipjerry you think you are right. Maybe from your aspect of view you are. From someone else's view not. 

Tolkien didn't invented elves, dwarves and other mythical creatures. He just shaped and changed them to fit his view. They existed in (German, Norser, Dutch...) mythology long ago before Tolkien even was born.

Any game that comes out with good graphic will be called clone of something else. Most of things we have seen in other games and probably want to see it in future game. Again it is aspect of view. Someone see it black someone see it white, someone don't see it at all... (wife called and have to go out to pick her up so can't finish this long post i've intended)

Originally posted by vipjerry

 

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Originally posted by Ixnatifual
The Warhammer universe and art has existed for over 25 years.

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Cmon guys its ridiculous to argue, WoW is out for 4 long years now and that means Mythic can shovel their 25 years of existence story somewhere...
This is pointless btw by your logic Warhammer is LOTR ripoff than (Elves, Dwarfs, Undead, Orcs and Goblins... its all J.R.R. Tolkien).

If Blizzard ripped Warhammer in any way and we all know they did its to late now for anyone to say anything because WoW was first one who brought us that kind of MMO with that specific graphic style to PC.

Only way they could save this title or put it on another level of success was branding WH40k universe but they chose easier copy-paste variant of unoriginality and once they find out that this game has like 100 times less subscribers than WoW after 5 years they will maybe decide to start another game - WH40k and its going to be completed probably 4 years after Blizzard release of World of Starcraft and all over again...

Based on how well the CE is selling, and how many people have signed up, and continue to sign up for the closed beta of this game, I concur you have not the slightest clue how successful this game is going to be. WoW copied everything it knows from previous games and was successful. It brought little to the table that was completely new. Instanced PvP has been done, instanced PVE has been done, low polygon graphics had been done. You don't have to have great graphics, and you don't have to do something completely new to have a successful game. What you do need is something fun, and to polish that fun thing, and that is what Mythic is trying to do. You are kidding yourself if you think this will not be a success.

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Originally posted by hellspit
Tolkien didn't invented elves, dwarves and other mythical creatures. He just shaped and changed them to fit his view. They existed in (German, Norser, Dutch...) mythology long ago before Tolkien even was born...

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Graphics are not DATED   they are Warhammer    and they are a lot cleaner-cut the WOW just look at the humans (there is a difference)

Originally posted by vipjerry

 

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Originally posted by Ixnatifual
The Warhammer universe and art has existed for over 25 years.

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Cmon guys its ridiculous to argue, WoW is out for 4 long years now and that means Mythic can shovel their 25 years of existence story somewhere...
This is pointless btw by your logic Warhammer is LOTR ripoff than (Elves, Dwarfs, Undead, Orcs and Goblins... its all J.R.R. Tolkien).

If Blizzard ripped Warhammer in any way and we all know they did its to late now for anyone to say anything because WoW was first one who brought us that kind of MMO with that specific graphic style to PC.

Only way they could save this title or put it on another level of success was branding WH40k universe but they chose easier copy-paste variant of unoriginality and once they find out that this game has like 100 times less subscribers than WoW after 5 years they will maybe decide to start another game - WH40k and its going to be completed probably 4 years after Blizzard release of World of Starcraft and all over again...

Also I would have to say the Orcs of Warhammer are very unique considering the way they reproduce and all.

I have and will continue to keep an eye out  on this game.  Though there has been a lot of negative, subvertive walk-around the NDA 'reviews' posted on the net, I take all that stuff with a grain of salt.  Closed beta is not supposed to be fun, its supposed to be work IMO, and that approach they're using seems to fit the bill perfectly. 

However what I'm getting from Barnet and his crew is that they're enthusiastic, ambitious, and wanting to have a blast creating it and then seeing players enjoy the same thrill.  I'm not naive enough to think they're doing this for alturistic purposes, it's a business there to make money, and as I've often said, I don't mind people making a bankload of cash, so long as they do it in a fashion that doesn't demean my time.  WoW demeans my time, its PvP stinks, and its the area I enjoy the most.  It has a certain degree of charm to be sure, but I think I'm going to like WAR a lot more if this philosophy and enthusiasm continues to open release, because I know it'll be both a (relatively) smooth launch and campy or not, if its actually FUN isntead of a brain tumor inducing grind, I'll be on it like white on rice. 

And Mr Barnet, if you're reading these, please, I implore you, no gear grinds where you have to hit the same dungeon over and over and over again for essential drops just to be able to compete in RvR. 

Originally posted by Seeker728

I have and will continue to keep an eye out  on this game.  Though there has been a lot of negative, subvertive walk-around the NDA 'reviews' posted on the net, I take all that stuff with a grain of salt.  Closed beta is not supposed to be fun, its supposed to be work IMO, and that approach they're using seems to fit the bill perfectly. 

 

Many people claim to be in beta and trash it yet only one, ONE, of them has ever been able to tell me their forum name or in game name to chat or talk about things. The thing about WAR is that you can say you are in the beta, and that there is a beta. This leads to ANYBODY on this forum being able to claim they are in it. Few people, including myself, make that claim and can produce some sort of evidence. When you call people out who claim to be in beta and they aren't they tend to:

a) Troll harder to try and change the subject

b) get mad and defensive at the fact they were called out

or

c) They stop posting for a little while or make a new user name before bashing the game again.

I'm not in beta but i'm hype and noxious and unpatient from one side to get into it. Since there is nothing i can do to get into beta  - can only wait. And if i see it with my eyes then i can speak about it.

But as old PK  on MUDS waited for similar game for long. As in old MUD Act of War to certain level you can PVE or kill monsters and bosses. After certain level you have to kill other players/faction to level up. Miss those old good days. Warhammer will bring that thrill and joy back to me from start for sure.

so we have to wait a few months longer . i dont think that actually suprised many . if anything i m glad they are taking time to iron it out . after all if your that desperate to play it you can get the delux edition and have a guaranteed spot in the open beta . the delux is overpriced but i guess this can be offset against the money you save in the open beta on not having the monthly fees ( if you take my meaning) if thats 3-4 months before its release its proberbly not so bad . personally i d rather wait till i talk to a few people who are actually playing it and see a few reviews before i buy the same applys to conan . after vanguard i ll never believe the pre release hype again . once bitten twice shy .

I knew when this game was announced I would play it, I have loved the IP for going on 10 years or so.  Yes, it is disappointing to see delays, and I know a lot of the guys I've played other mmo's with have just said "to hell with it" as time has passed.  But I have no intention of paying to play another beta.  Finish the game, make it fun, make it challenging, make it WORK properly.  I don't think this game will be groundbreaking or the be-all and end-all of mmo's, that kind of "waiting for an mmo messiah" attitude has caused nothing but pain and disappointment in the past.  But I do think this game will entertain me, and that's all I'm really concerned about.

Yes, I would rather play a 40k mmo in the current fantasy loaded market.  And while I do understand the playable races they chose in regards to the whole RvR theme, I am pretty damn upset that I can't play my Skaven, and am not sure how they would fit into the current setup.  It's nice to see an official announcement as well, as frankly, I don't really care about concept art, and the fact that that was all I was seeing for a while from WAR had me a bit worried.

Originally posted by yayitsandy

so we have to wait a few months longer . i dont think that actually suprised many . if anything i m glad they are taking time to iron it out . after all if your that desperate to play it you can get the delux edition and have a guaranteed spot in the open beta . the delux is overpriced but i guess this can be offset against the money you save in the open beta on not having the monthly fees ( if you take my meaning) if thats 3-4 months before its release its proberbly not so bad . personally i d rather wait till i talk to a few people who are actually playing it and see a few reviews before i buy the same applys to conan . after vanguard i ll never believe the pre release hype again . once bitten twice shy .

Most of games i've played, got key before i even got cds/box so client download was best sollution.

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Originally posted by vipjerry
Sorry guys but when they decided to make regular Warhammer game instead of Warhammer 40 000 and they totally copied WoW graphic style they gave up of any kind of originality which is main substance for the game in 21st century to sucseed.
This game is crap and we have seen all this game has to offer at least 10 times before in some earlier MMOs.
World of Starcraft is in development and coming out probably a year after SC2 so that would be only girl worth waiting.

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THQ is working on a 40k MMO

Warcarft and starcraft Both borrowed heavily from warhammer and 40k

WAR graphics look nothing like wow graphics The models in WAR are much much more detailed.

You cant have Crysis graphics in a mmo with over 100 people on the screen at one time - well you could but the percent of people with machines capable would make the game have a much smaller install base. You simplely cannot do that with mmos and expect them to be successful.

Originally posted by vipjerry

 

Warhammer in state it is now does not look all that great. Graphics already looks dated and gameplay is not something we didn't see before.
But we shell see soon who was right or wrong.

See you back on this board, say a couple months after release?

Are you sure that is not Elton John in the picture advertising for WAR?

Good-Bye yellow Brick Road?

Originally posted by Hrica

Are you sure that is not Elton John in the picture advertising for WAR?

Good-Bye yellow Brick Road?

Personally I think these guys have alot of fun while they're doing their little information videos.   And so it should be...if they're having fun..we will be too when the time comes. :P

Cend

Great to see they are taking the beta testing seriously as well as the testers.   Sounds like they are making changes that the players actually want.  This is exciting news and makes the time waiting well worth it in the end, I hope.