There are two possibilities :

- if it's possible, both sides can appeal of the decision -> the case will be rejudged again

- if it's possible, both sides can ask a court to break the decision : this court will look if the judgement is juridically correct, and decides if it juridically validated or not. If it's not, the case takes another round.

For both options, however, there is a risk : french justice does not like at all to be considered as stupid - if the appeal is not justified (ie a lame delay tactic), the court will not hesitate to make the condamnation even heavier. 

Originally posted by bratisla

For both options, however, there is a risk : french justice does not like at all to be considered as stupid - if the appeal is not justified (ie a lame delay tactic), the court will not hesitate to make the condamnation even heavier. 

Ohhhh, more good news. The DnL devs live on lies and delay tactics. I have no doubt in my mind they will try to trick the court with some lame excuse or another. And then the hammer comes down...

I can hardly wait.

any  more news yet?

if by Monday there are no news, I will try a call to the tribunal. But it must not be a penal case, and - from what I read on the tribunal website - I guess I need as many details as possible, so that they can answer me (this tribunal is the biggest one in France, with several thousand cases a year ... )

Stay tuned Monday to help me

/edit I said several thousand ? Lol, only for civil cases there are several ten of thousand cases

Results on the Paris Court (a quick overview since we don't have the written judgment yet, unless NPCUBE or FARLAN or M. JACQUET have received it and will communicate it publicly, as it has been announced ):

VWORLD/POURIEUX dismissed of their requests

NPCUBE/FARLAN AND JACQUET dismissed of their requests in reply

Conclusion: a go for nothing on both sides, ATM.

We are now waiting for the decision in appeal before the Commercial Court in which NPCUBE has been dismissed and convicted on March 13th and has been also convicted on September 25th (granting of immediate payment of the amounts due).

What is going on .... NPCube is dropped of the charges, but doesn't get anything ? 

Something unexpected weighted into the judge decision, I bet. I can't wait to know what it can be (I wildly speculate though)

Originally posted by bratisla

What is going on .... NPCube is dropped of the charges, but doesn't get anything ? 

Something unexpected weighted into the judge decision, I bet. I can't wait to know what it can be (I wildly speculate though)

 

Hey bratisla! I guess you are the JoL Bratisla

FYI, I've been faxed the judgment. Not sure NP3/FARLAN/C.JACQUET will publish it now (despite their promising)

Originally posted by _Pix_

Results on the Paris Court (a quick overview since we don't have the written judgment yet, unless NPCUBE or FARLAN or M. JACQUET have received it and will communicate it publicly, as it has been announced ):

VWORLD/POURIEUX dismissed of their requests

NPCUBE/FARLAN AND JACQUET dismissed of their requests in reply

Conclusion: a go for nothing on both sides, ATM.

We are now waiting for the decision in appeal before the Commercial Court in which NPCUBE has been dismissed and convicted on March 13th and has been also convicted on September 25th (granting of immediate payment of the amounts due).

The way I interpret that is the court found no legal justification on either side for a ruling and is leaving it up to what amounts to a civil court proceeding in the U.S.A. to dispense with the dispute.  In the US the civil court is where people go who have disputes that may not have legal (written law) justification for trial.

Oh for heaven's sake.... Is Pix going to drag all the mmorpg fans into court again??! Just because he lost..??

The case in march meant nothing. Now comes the decision of the real case, he loses and now you say he plans on appealing in a court where you dont need evidence!??! OMG.

Some of you say FARCElan instead of Farlan. I say Vwreck/VFarce instead of Vworld. If this is true, then I think it's too much...

I'm glad DnL is in China. At least there is still hope. .. Imagine if development had to be stopped while court was going. At least it's still under development there and relatively unaffected I hope.

@PiX : you bet I am, although I'm on MMORPG.com mainly to stay in touch with old ww2online naval grunts I knew , and dig up infos about the game I follow ;)

@Grunty : this case is in fact judged by the civil court of Paris. The judge didn't declare himself non-competent, as he asked NPCube/Farlan to stop delaying and bring its defense conclusions for this case. I will venture that the judge found himself legally competent, examined both conclusions, and took a decision - however, there is something we law n00bs missed.

I personnaly bet on NPCube having disappeared, and thus there is no legal entity to "punish". But this is wild speculation.

@ZtyX : I certainly hope you will bring us infos about the China development. You know, real infos : real new screenshots, interviews,  beta-test dates, something like that. Until that, I consider these rumors as false / viral marketing - a NPCube/Farlan specialty. But you didn't experience the "SOG is not DnL" period, did you ?

Originally posted by ZtyX

Oh for heaven's sake.... Is Pix going to drag all the mmorpg fans into court again??! Just because he lost..?? 

What MMORPG fans? Seriously, who besides you and a handful of other lunatics still like DnL anyway? And is he taking YOU to court? No. NPcube and Farlan ripped off thousands of people with their wannabe MMO, they deserve to get sued into the ground and you know it. Seriously Zytx, just go find yourself another MMO to obsess over and stop complaining about this one.

And don't make me ask that question again. You know the one I'm talking about. You can't anwser it and you know it.

Originally posted by bratisla

@PiX : you bet I am, although I'm on MMORPG.com mainly to stay in touch with old ww2online naval grunts I knew , and dig up infos about the game I follow ;)

 

@Grunty : this case is in fact judged by the civil court of Paris. The judge didn't declare himself non-competent, as he asked NPCube/Farlan to stop delaying and bring its defense conclusions for this case. I will venture that the judge found himself legally competent, examined both conclusions, and took a decision - however, there is something we law n00bs missed.

I personnaly bet on NPCube having disappeared, and thus there is no legal entity to "punish". But this is wild speculation.

 

@ZtyX : I certainly hope you will bring us infos about the China development. You know, real infos : real new screenshots, interviews,  beta-test dates, something like that. Until that, I consider these rumors as false / viral marketing - a NPCube/Farlan specialty. But you didn't experience the "SOG is not DnL" period, did you ?

You' re not fair! NPCube Farlan and SnailGame , who else? (shhhh! we cannot tell) made quite a lot of efforts to broadcast screenshots and videos:
 

And look, nice vid', isn't?!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMjJXq6IHD0 (ho! don't forget to turn on your speakers for additonal content, Vuuar inside)

PS:@Raltar: don't forget you're dealing with a house of cards, don't blow too hard. My 3 cts.

ok  so.... is it gonna be online again or can we call it dead?

Originally posted by johanman0

ok  so.... is it gonna be online again or can we call it dead?

The thing is... there was never really any reason for it to be offline. The lawsuit was actually over (unless I'm mistaken) the failure of NPcube and Farlan to pay royalties on the Vworld technology their game was using. This actually became a non-issue for the game itself when the game went to a free-to-play model, stopped making money and thus had no royalties to pay (or money to pay with).

So the only logical explanation for it being offline is that the company is simply out of money and doesn't want to waste whatever its got left on putting up servers for Zytx and the one or two other lunatics who would actually continue to play. Since that hasn't changed even if the lawsuit ends here, I can't see any reason why they would put the game back online. Its a crap game and nobody with any sense wants to play it, plus there is no profit in running servers for it. The sensible thing to do is let it die. Even the scam artists responsible for this game must see that.

You will hear non-sense about Snailgame bailing them out and investing new money into the game but this is all second hand information passed on through the official forums from moderators (and ex-moderators) who are almost totally out of the loop. Vuuar and anyone else who actually still has access to the game has vanished into thin air. He hasn't posted on his own forums in over a year and is probably hiding out in some Chinese bomb shelter with his fingers corssed that nobody will come looking for him.

I say call it dead. NPcube and Farlan may have lucked out on the lawsuit issue, but that doesn't mean they are suddenly going to become competent programmers and finish their crap game with magic money from nowhere. It just isn't going to happen.

Folks, there is no arguing with Ztyx. He has gone beyond rational thought. To him, DnL is a religion. He has faith the game will make a comeback. Can't argue with religious zealots so don't try....

ok thnx for the info .

On that topic, ZtyX, I just looked at what you said on the official forum, about the "NASA requires basic features, gamers require complex systems". I don't even bother to create an account on darkandlight.com, so I ask you directly here.
This is a serious question I ask you, as a grown up and educated people towards someone I still believe is educated and rational. 

Do you really believe in what you say ?

Seriously ?

btw does any 1 know an mmorpg like dnl? (must be free) thnx

The reason NASA reqires basic features is because they are trying to do a JOB, not have fun. When you are floating around in space trying not to die you want your stuff to be basic and realible so that you know how it will function and that it will function only the way you want it to. For the purpose of designing a game having things always go exactly the way they are meant to is boring. This is why gamers want complex systems... its just plain more FUN.

Originally posted by johanman0

btw does any 1 know an mmorpg like dnl? (must be free) thnx

That depends on which features from DnL you want to see in another game. Luckily, there are no other games exactly like DnL but there are others with similar features.

And honestly, you aren't going to find a free game that is any good. If it were any good it wouldn't be free.

Originally posted by bratisla

On that topic, ZtyX, I just looked at what you said on the official forum, about the "NASA requires basic features, gamers require complex systems". I don't even bother to create an account on darkandlight.com, so I ask you directly here.
This is a serious question I ask you, as a grown up and educated people towards someone I still believe is educated and rational. 

Do you really believe in what you say ?

Seriously ?

I  logged on just to answer your question.

Yes. It can be said as simple as that. But, you probably want me to elaborate. I'll do that.

NASA needs a simulator with a good navigational system behind. Of course they would use Vworld when it is already a created globe. They could possibly use Vworld for presenting a space launch in beautiful visuals. Vworld has a strong navigational function. It's a copy of the world, so naturally it's very precise. It uses satelite pictures, GPS locations and even has coverage of some ocean bottom. .. I don't imagine NASA can use Vworld for all of their tasks. And Im sure they have many very advanced mathematical tools and procedures. Just think about the check sequences they have to go through, or just the electrical circuits. I get a headache thinking about it.

But, that's not where Vworld can help. Vworld is good for seeing the bigger picture. For presentations or briefings.

That's what I meant.

As for DnL. Well, DnL is an MMORPG. MMORPGs are extremely delicate. They are always on the edge of technology trying to optimize every single thing. .. DNL was a next generation mmo and it tried to do some very ambitious things. One thing is to have a recreation of the globe. Another thing is to allow for game systems and features to be incorporated into that globe. Gamers except more than just a view of Dark and LIght. They expect a highly advanced interactive experience. THAT is much more advanced that what I believe NASA can ever use Vworld for. Mmorpgs are different from Space programs. They require different things. You can argue one is more advanced than the other and perhaps I would agree if they made a very good simulator using Vworld. Maybe they have. Maybe they will. Still.. It has to be a darn good simulator, with some darn advanced features to compete with all that framework behind an MMORPG.