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I am done quoting posts of the "pc" people on this site ( even though I am a pc and console person) you can all keep living in this realm of self delusion, consoles are as viable of a MMO platform as pc's and developers no this or they wouldnt be making them. The whole argument about dumbing them down is pointless also, there are more kids on consoles thats a fact but you underestimate how many adults own and play consoles. I myself belong to 2 communities one called Age (Adult Gaming Enthusiasts) and the other called TAG ( The Adult Gamer) made up entirely of adults with families and real lives. Almost all of us play consoles and pc games and will always enjoy both mediums. 

In these communities we also enjoy MMO's and would gladly play one on a console when a quality title becomes available and we would not need a "dumbed down" version and beleive neither would these kids you all speak of, the youth of today learn things in school we didnt learn till college so why do adults assume all kids are ignorant, thats not very logical.

I also have to address the poster who said basically PC gamers are superior to consolers at fps and would "school" them. Hate to burst your bubble but most of the people I play online with are just as comfortable with a mouse and keyboard in there hands as a controller and would gladly show you that first hand. Also Gears of War is a console game ported to PC so your whole paragraph about that is a moot point.                                                                                                                                                                                              

In the end most of the things stated here are personal opinion and personal tastes but please tell me how wrong I am.

Couldn't agree more with Lazarus. PC and colsoles are both great for pretty much all game types including MMO's. It's all based on opinion. I say bring all MMO's to as many different systems as possible. More players, more money for the companies and overall, a better gaming experience for everyone. Of course you will have to deal with immature players with bad attitudes, but hey, thats a part of life and you will experience the exact same thing anywhere else in games and out. :P Just enjoy and play the games you love. Why care if they go to other systems? It really confuses me.

Originally posted by smiley123

 

 

Originally posted by vesavius

 

Originally posted by m240gulf

Is it easier for devs to make games on consoles?  I agree with Rob, that putting games on console, and especially for MMOs, that it will dumb down an MMO way too much then we already have now.  The only reason I can see devs wanting to dumb down a game so it can fit a console is so they can make more money with a mutliple medium.  Unfortunate for us who like complex games like Old SWG and especially games like Eve, hell a consule version of WOW would introduce more and more mindless gameplay

 

Do you best to try and convince them to stay away from console, or at the very least, have them not mix the two medias.

 

Erm, this point of view really confuses me... Why would using a control pad and mics over Live (or whatever) to commicate be any 'dumber' then using a mouse/ keyboard and Vent? Does it effect lore? Plot? Characterisation? Difficulty or complexity level?

The answer is, of course, no.

 

Not just that,but they could add keyboard / mouse for the systems. XBOX360 does have a USB port you know. 

 

 

I myself can't wait for when mmo's go on consoles. Playing on my 52 inch TV and sitting on my couch will make my day.

I would have no compunction about the death of the PC as a gaming platform if console makers would just give up on their stupid obsession with boxing out keyboard/mouse play.

Consoles, afterall, are nothing more than standardized computers.  They have now broken the resolution barrier that previously existed, and little really stands in the way of them being a viable replacement for PCs as gaming platforms, other than this historical aversion to expanding control flexibility.

Um, welcome to 2008?

What is with all the angst regarding MMO's on consoles?

The two leading consoles this gen can pretty easily run anything that runs on a PC.  With 5.1 sound and 1920x1080 resolutions the experience is pretty comparable.

"Dumbed down"?  WTF?  Like WoW isn't already dumbed down?  What are you talking about?  Younger players on consoles?  Better community?  Again, wtf are you on about?  LIke WoW is populated exclusively by middle aged, well-behaved, polite professionals?

As you all might recall, there is a pretty significant MMO already running on consoles.  Final Fantasy not only runs on xbox but even old PS2s and guess what, they share the exact same identical world with players on PC.  Are the graphics the same?  No (but they are last gen consoles).  Is the rest of the game pretty much identical?  Yes.  Have consoles improved drastically compared to what FF used to run on?  You better believe it.

The only major difference now is controls and MS could easily enable keyboard/mouse on the 360 and PS3 already supports it.  So, uh, what other reasons do you have that aren't 5 year old and inapplicable anymore?

Pull your collective heads out of your butts and look around, console /= NIntendo 64 anymore.  There are close to 10 million Xbox 360's out there.  If you only got 10% of them to play it would be the second biggest MMO in production.  To me that just screams "come sell me something that you can charge me for every single month"!

Originally posted by TwystedWiz

Um, welcome to 2008?

What is with all the angst regarding MMO's on consoles?

The two leading consoles this gen can pretty easily run anything that runs on a PC.  With 5.1 sound and 1920x1080 resolutions the experience is pretty comparable.

"Dumbed down"?  WTF?  Like WoW isn't already dumbed down?  What are you talking about?  Younger players on consoles?  Better community?  Again, wtf are you on about?  LIke WoW is populated exclusively by middle aged, well-behaved, polite professionals?

As you all might recall, there is a pretty significant MMO already running on consoles.  Final Fantasy not only runs on xbox but even old PS2s and guess what, they share the exact same identical world with players on PC.  Are the graphics the same?  No (but they are last gen consoles).  Is the rest of the game pretty much identical?  Yes.  Have consoles improved drastically compared to what FF used to run on?  You better believe it.

The only major difference now is controls and MS could easily enable keyboard/mouse on the 360 and PS3 already supports it.  So, uh, what other reasons do you have that aren't 5 year old and inapplicable anymore?

 

Pull your collective heads out of your butts and look around, console /= NIntendo 64 anymore.  There are close to 10 million Xbox 360's out there.  If you only got 10% of them to play it would be the second biggest MMO in production.  To me that just screams "come sell me something that you can charge me for every single month"!

Well said!

Originally posted by Lazarus71

Originally posted by TwystedWiz

Um, welcome to 2008?

What is with all the angst regarding MMO's on consoles?

The two leading consoles this gen can pretty easily run anything that runs on a PC.  With 5.1 sound and 1920x1080 resolutions the experience is pretty comparable.

"Dumbed down"?  WTF?  Like WoW isn't already dumbed down?  What are you talking about?  Younger players on consoles?  Better community?  Again, wtf are you on about?  LIke WoW is populated exclusively by middle aged, well-behaved, polite professionals?

As you all might recall, there is a pretty significant MMO already running on consoles.  Final Fantasy not only runs on xbox but even old PS2s and guess what, they share the exact same identical world with players on PC.  Are the graphics the same?  No (but they are last gen consoles).  Is the rest of the game pretty much identical?  Yes.  Have consoles improved drastically compared to what FF used to run on?  You better believe it.

The only major difference now is controls and MS could easily enable keyboard/mouse on the 360 and PS3 already supports it.  So, uh, what other reasons do you have that aren't 5 year old and inapplicable anymore?

 

Pull your collective heads out of your butts and look around, console /= NIntendo 64 anymore.  There are close to 10 million Xbox 360's out there.  If you only got 10% of them to play it would be the second biggest MMO in production.  To me that just screams "come sell me something that you can charge me for every single month"!

Well said!

So a PC player pays 15 bucks a month, and has pretty much unlimited uploading/downloading. The XBox player pays 15 bucks a month, plus 8 bucks a month (XBox Live Gold), and doesn't  get to do anything much on the internet...

That to me... screams "Buy a PC and use THAT." Heh.

I play PC MMOs because I have a PC for work and the Internet. If the genre 'big names' go to consoles, the genre will lose me (after 14 years it's probably time anyways) but I'll not be pigeon-holed into spending more  money just for a box to play games on.

I never will go exclusively to console in any event but it it did....*shakes finger* You just try me..I'll be gone like that! *snaps fingers*

Originally posted by Lazarus71

I am done quoting posts of the "pc" people on this site ( even though I am a pc and console person) you can all keep living in this realm of self delusion, consoles are as viable of a MMO platform as pc's and developers no this or they wouldnt be making them. The whole argument about dumbing them down is pointless also, there are more kids on consoles thats a fact but you underestimate how many adults own and play consoles. I myself belong to 2 communities one called Age (Adult Gaming Enthusiasts) and the other called TAG ( The Adult Gamer) made up entirely of adults with families and real lives. Almost all of us play consoles and pc games and will always enjoy both mediums. 

In these communities we also enjoy MMO's and would gladly play one on a console when a quality title becomes available and we would not need a "dumbed down" version and beleive neither would these kids you all speak of, the youth of today learn things in school we didnt learn till college so why do adults assume all kids are ignorant, thats not very logical.

I also have to address the poster who said basically PC gamers are superior to consolers at fps and would "school" them. Hate to burst your bubble but most of the people I play online with are just as comfortable with a mouse and keyboard in there hands as a controller and would gladly show you that first hand. Also Gears of War is a console game ported to PC so your whole paragraph about that is a moot point.