General Discussion

I would like to put together a development team for the purpose of creating a new MMO. An MMO that would be built by the community, for the community so to speak. If I were to set up a paypal donation pot to fund this endeavor how many would be willing to chip in? If I get a good enough response I'll go through with it and begin campaigning for our cause on all of the major gaming sites.

I mean honestly, if we aren't willing to try ourselves and expect someone else to do it - Who is to blame for the poor products that come to market and the stagnation thereof?

I put down 5-10 in the other thread but the more I think of it the more I think I'd put in.

Not because I would play it. I may play it.

But quite frankly, I'm pretty sick of seeing people cry and complain when it comes to other people's money.

People want games with skill based advancement that have a bit of risk?

Well then, put your money where your mouth is. I think people will find that this is probably harder than they imagine.

But I hope it works. Or fails. Just so the lesson can be learned.

I wouldnt mind throwing some cash your way... but only once I see you had a team and what not in place.

Im currently working on a series of games as I learn that will end up in a MMO, but I dont think I would take donations or any form of payment personally for quite some time. Why? Well mainly cause once money is given people want to see something in return, and it might be a bit before I had anything to personally show for it.

In your situation Id aim for finding a coder, a modeler, and a web guy. Once you have that basic set up you would need an idea, some concept art, and preferably some form of working prototype.

At that point, it might be conceivable to start looking for money.

Otherwise... not sure how effective it will be, and most will just flame you as a scam artist.

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

I wouldnt mind throwing some cash your way... but only once I see you had a team and what not in place.

Im currently working on a series of games as I learn that will end up in a MMO, but I dont think I would take donations or any form of payment personally for quite some time. Why? Well mainly cause once money is given people want to see something in return, and it might be a bit before I had anything to personally show for it.

In your situation Id aim for finding a coder, a modeler, and a web guy. Once you have that basic set up you would need an idea, some concept art, and preferably some form of working prototype.

At that point, it might be conceivable to start looking for money.

Otherwise... not sure how effective it will be, and most will just flame you as a scam artist.

I wouldn't even go that far.

I would find a game that is already being developed. One where they have their act together. Then I would contact them, see if they would be interested in having a segment of the community invest in their game. Come up with some reasonable terms. I'm sure they are not going to want to have to alter their designs because of the community.

Or would they?

Tha'ts the lesson here. I think the community will learn just how hard it is to make one of these games.

Well, I obviously wouldn't take any donations or a link even for it until I had seen if people were even remotely interested. This isn't to get the idea off the ground at the moment but more of a way to test the community for ideas and to see if they would be willing to help front one. I wouldn't mind attempting this as I have some close friends that I could call on for a little labor of love to show a little something but honestly I think gamers are understanding just how difficult a t ask is for a game - doubly so for a MMO which is at the programming pinnacle of difficulty.

Anyways, just drop a vote one way or the other... This is just to see if it's feasible at all, or worth even taking a look at.

Originally posted by Manmadegod

Well, I obviously wouldn't take any donations or a link even for it until I had seen if people were even remotely interested. This isn't to get the idea off the ground at the moment but more of a way to test the community for ideas and to see if they would be willing to help front one. I wouldn't mind attempting this as I have some close friends that I could call on for a little labor of love to show a little something but honestly I think gamers are understanding just how difficult a t ask is for a game - doubly so for a MMO which is at the programming pinnacle of difficulty.

 

Anyways, just drop a vote one way or the other... This is just to see if it's feasible at all, or worth even taking a look at.

Oh, I think it's more than feasible. but given how hard it is to create the game I would come up with some guidlines. Visit a lawyer. Yes, there are lawyrs who will do work for free for the community.

I would then create the stipulations... skill based, blah blah blah, whatever. Some won't want another fantasy game and will want a sci-fi game.

I would then present this as a contest of sorts to small game developers. "A chance for community investment".

There of course would be rules so that the community doesn't wreck it (this will be the most interesting part I can tell ya )

I would then come up with a vote for people who wanted to invest as to the game they prefer.

Once you have a winner I would collect the investments.

This is an interesting experiment because of the rather vocal community that thinks the game industry has gone awry and that someone who undertands what "really" needs to be created should create it.

Well who better to back this then the people who want a different type of game.

Starting from scratch is too risky. I wonder how many ventures fail before anything can actually happen? Or they start diving into creating assets without a plan in place.

Find small companies that already have their act together but who need investment.

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Originally posted by Manmadegod

Well, I obviously wouldn't take any donations or a link even for it until I had seen if people were even remotely interested. This isn't to get the idea off the ground at the moment but more of a way to test the community for ideas and to see if they would be willing to help front one. I wouldn't mind attempting this as I have some close friends that I could call on for a little labor of love to show a little something but honestly I think gamers are understanding just how difficult a t ask is for a game - doubly so for a MMO which is at the programming pinnacle of difficulty.

 

Anyways, just drop a vote one way or the other... This is just to see if it's feasible at all, or worth even taking a look at.

 

Oh, I think it's more than feasible. but given how hard it is to create the game I would come up with some guidlines. Visit a lawyer. Yes, there are lawyrs who will do work for free for the community.

I would then create the stipulations... skill based, blah blah blah, whatever. Some won't want another fantasy game and will want a sci-fi game.

I would then present this as a contest of sorts to small game developers. "A chance for community investment".

There of course would be rules so that the community doesn't wreck it (this will be the most interesting part I can tell ya )

I would then come up with a vote for people who wanted to invest as to the game they prefer.

Once you have a winner I would collect the investments.

This is an interesting experiment because of the rather vocal community that thinks the game industry has gone awry and that someone who undertands what "really" needs to be created should create it.

Well who better to back this then the people who want a different type of game.

Starting from scratch is too risky. I wonder how many ventures fail before anything can actually happen? Or they start diving into creating assets without a plan in place.

Find small companies that already have their act together but who need investment.

Interesting, maybe I'll go this route and let the vocal community put it's money where it's mouth is. I am sure that there would be a group of developers out there that would be willing to go through with this for capital to help them create their game and in turn give us the ability to have the game that we "want".

Interesting to think about eh, community?

Originally posted by Manmadegod

 

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Originally posted by Manmadegod

Well, I obviously wouldn't take any donations or a link even for it until I had seen if people were even remotely interested. This isn't to get the idea off the ground at the moment but more of a way to test the community for ideas and to see if they would be willing to help front one. I wouldn't mind attempting this as I have some close friends that I could call on for a little labor of love to show a little something but honestly I think gamers are understanding just how difficult a t ask is for a game - doubly so for a MMO which is at the programming pinnacle of difficulty.

 

Anyways, just drop a vote one way or the other... This is just to see if it's feasible at all, or worth even taking a look at.

 

Oh, I think it's more than feasible. but given how hard it is to create the game I would come up with some guidlines. Visit a lawyer. Yes, there are lawyrs who will do work for free for the community.

I would then create the stipulations... skill based, blah blah blah, whatever. Some won't want another fantasy game and will want a sci-fi game.

I would then present this as a contest of sorts to small game developers. "A chance for community investment".

There of course would be rules so that the community doesn't wreck it (this will be the most interesting part I can tell ya )

I would then come up with a vote for people who wanted to invest as to the game they prefer.

Once you have a winner I would collect the investments.

This is an interesting experiment because of the rather vocal community that thinks the game industry has gone awry and that someone who undertands what "really" needs to be created should create it.

Well who better to back this then the people who want a different type of game.

Starting from scratch is too risky. I wonder how many ventures fail before anything can actually happen? Or they start diving into creating assets without a plan in place.

Find small companies that already have their act together but who need investment.

 

Interesting, maybe I'll go this route and let the vocal community put it's money where it's mouth is. I am sure that there would be a group of developers out there that would be willing to go through with this for capital to help them create their game and in turn give us the ability to have the game that we "want".

Interesting to think about eh, community?

Exactly!

And again, because it is an investment and because of the nature of the investment, there would be a certain level of transparency as well. This way people don't feel they've given 5 dollars to purchase someone's new car!

Everything should be done legally and above board. People will also be made to understand that it is a risky venture and that things can go wrong. All will be made clear in the agreement they sign when they invest.

As I said, I'm happy playing the games out there because to me they are games. Just fun diversions. I don't require such things as skill based leveling or whatever the community is alway demanding.

And yet, I still will give money. If this comes to the stage where it is an actual game that can be invested in, with all the legal papers done, etc, then I will give the 200 dollars I had originally promised to the Ryzom project when the players tried to buy it.

Just because it's a worthy cause.