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Originally posted by Munki

 

Originally posted by baff

If he wants o oget someone else to access his content for him, that is his affair and no one elses.

If I choose to pay my son to level my toon up to 70 so I can do some PvP with it, Blizzard can shove it. That is my right. If I choose to sell my account or my gold, nobodies business but mine.

Blizzard have no say in this right. It is a right that my forefathers shed blood to win. It is a right granted by my Queen and enshrined by my parliament.

Developers don't make "the rules". They make games.

 If WoW was a free game, it would be different. But it isn't. They take our money, they have to play by our rules, whether they like it or not.

Or your wrong.
You "rent" from blizzard your character at 15 dollars a month. Just like you rent an appartment for 500 dollars a month.

 

Are you legally allowed to sell the appartment your renting? No.
By your argument your landlord has no right to dictate that you cant sell the house your renting. If your forefather really fought for that right they probably ended up in a mental ward. It is their business your just renting.

Developers do make the rules. Not you. Last I checked the owner of the paintball range makes the rules, not you the paying customer. Last I checked if you brought big bags full of paint or your own paintballs he can ask you to leave, you can't just tell him sorry I paid, I make the rules.

If wow was a free game it would be different? No it wouldn't. They take your money and they grant you PERMISSION to play THEIR game.

This is neither a violation of your "rights as an American Citizen" or a "slap in the face of your forefathers."

if anything this is a slap to the face of the American Education system and whomever taught you to form a logical argument.

You failed to fully examine the scenario.  Sure, you couldn't rent an apartment and sell it.  However, your rental company could not prevent you from working out of the apartment and making money.  This is in essence what these EULA's try to do.  When a player finds an item in a virtual world, that item is a direct result of the time and effort, and in some cases skill of the player who found the item.  The developer has no claim on those resources used by the customer.  It is my belief that the ownership rights of digital properties will be challenged at some point in the near future.  This is in no way an ignorant view, and has been discussed in a number of circles.  Therefore, the poster who you are berating has sound merit to his post, although it was obviously a bit too rhetorical.  But to dismiss the underlying content of his message is ignorant, and the post is far from a slap to the face of the American Education system (besides the fact that he may very well not have been educated in America!).  I guess that poster's not the only one to get a bit too involved in rhetoric.

Originally posted by zaxxon23

 

You failed to fully examine the scenario.  Sure, you couldn't rent an apartment and sell it.  However, your rental company could not prevent you from working out of the apartment and making money.  This is in essence what these EULA's try to do.  When a player finds an item in a virtual world, that item is a direct result of the time and effort, and in some cases skill of the player who found the item.  The developer has no claim on those resources used by the customer.  It is my belief that the ownership rights of digital properties will be challenged at some point in the near future.  This is in no way an ignorant view, and has been discussed in a number of circles.  Therefore, the poster who you are berating has sound merit to his post, although it was obviously a bit too rhetorical.  But to dismiss the underlying content of his message is ignorant, and the post is far from a slap to the face of the American Education system (besides the fact that he may very well not have been educated in America!).  I guess that poster's not the only one to get a bit too involved in rhetoric.

The digital property debate has been going on a long time, and as you said in many circles, but ultimatly it is their game. If your playing with my playdoh, and you create an amazing sculpture, just because you made the sculpture doesnt make it yours, its still my playdoh.

In essence, Although you did the work, your still using my stuff... When you get the sword of a thousand truths, sure you found it, and you invested the time, but you made it out of blizzards game, and they dont want to share their playdoh.

The debate lies in who  gets to govern the things created in a world owned by somebody else. For example if you find oil on my land, its my oil, even though you did the work.

As for the American poke.. I dont know of many other countries where people take pleasure in proclaiming their forefathers fought for their right to be illogical.

Originally posted by baff

If WoW was a free game, it would be different. But it isn't. They take our money, they have to play by our rules, whether they like it or not.

I really don't see what the issue is.. the TOS and EULA states that you cannot sell your in game account for real money and if you break the TOS/EULA Blizzard has the right to cancel your account.

Originally posted by baff

Developers don't make "the rules". They make games.

Games are bound by rules. Without the rules there is no game.

They will continue selling gold, while someone is paying.

I didn't read this whole thread.

But don't you think that some of this reaction from Blizzard.

Might be due to the EU bank blocking all payments to them.  Unless a customers contacts them personally to arrange for payment.

This is due to the gold farming/power level companies that take customers CC info an open as many accounts as they can.  They do this to bypass the trial account restrictions.

Even Smedster from SOE mentioned this a month or so ago as being the MAIN source of fraud they deal with.

Fastest way for gold sellers to stop having people pay them.. is to keep frauding people.  don't worry you don't have to tell them to stop or ban them.

After their CC info gets stolen enough times or their accounts stripped.. they'll probably decide its not worth it.

I have no issues with RMT. I do have an issue when someone doesn't do what they say they're going to do. Work, play, or otherwise.

Apparently some folks want a game without RMT, and some folks do.  Likewise, some folks want to play tackle football, and some folks want to play flag. Things get jacked up if a person goes tackle in a game of flag football. The rules are agreed upon ahead of time, and most folks expect those playing to abide by 'em. I mean, after all, we did just accept the same terms/rules/agreement before the opening kickoff/logon.

If you're ok with RMT, then by all means go get it. Just don't do it in a game that's not designed for it. That's just ludicrous. Play by the rules of the game, or the game gets ugly....Didn't we learn that in childhood?