World of Warcraft

Originally posted by Alan0n

2.4 is now on testservers.  Actually its not a test.  Its a pile of things that havn't been worked on at all.  Already a total of 4 players from my guild have now left the game cause of huge unbalancing issues that are coming up, both in terms of abilites and items.  Class balanced is beeing tossed around from one day to another - making changes to piss ppl off - just the next day to change something else that makes ppl even more pissed. 

This is not what any game developer should do.  There is now 3 years since WOW came out and you would have thought if they had learned SOMETHING is that you dont PLAY around with class balance.  That is a capital offence in a MMO game. 

Im discussed to see the total lack of respect that Blizzard has shown to their players.   It doesn't matter if you get 1 person offended or 10 million.  You always fail if you dont carry full respect to every single one.  Yet alone whole class or whole spec. 

To me this is a new low in history of MMOs.  The biggest Game developer of mmos desides to play around with class balance from day to day.  No thx

*reads a paper* No, wow is the best game ever, Blizzard is godlike. There are no bugs in wow, the game is perfectly balanced. Blizzard loves every single player.... HELP ME, they're punishing me *thud* ouch....

Originally posted by Alan0n

2.4 is now on testservers.  Actually its not a test.  Its a pile of things that havn't been worked on at all.  Already a total of 4 players from my guild have now left the game cause of huge unbalancing issues that are coming up, both in terms of abilites and items.  Class balanced is beeing tossed around from one day to another - making changes to piss ppl off - just the next day to change something else that makes ppl even more pissed. 

This is not what any game developer should do.  There is now 3 years since WOW came out and you would have thought if they had learned SOMETHING is that you dont PLAY around with class balance.  That is a capital offence in a MMO game. 

Im discussed to see the total lack of respect that Blizzard has shown to their players.   It doesn't matter if you get 1 person offended or 10 million.  You always fail if you dont carry full respect to every single one.  Yet alone whole class or whole spec. 

To me this is a new low in history of MMOs.  The biggest Game developer of mmos desides to play around with class balance from day to day.  No thx

Stop whining! Wait until they shovel a NGE in your ass. As they did with SWG. Then you can talk about developers not learning.

Well - Like I have stated before.  Class balance is nothing anyone should play with from day to day.  If you want to get the class balance right then you test it on INTERNAL servers and throw the changed on to PUPLIC TESTSEVERS as a PACKAGE to let the users test it for 3-4 weeks.  If something needs more tweaking you do so THEN but no by changing stats day 1, day 2, day 3 day 4.   Why ?  Because then you get absolut ZERO testresults.

I find it quite funny that MMORPG,COM forums are probably one of the less mature ones found.  Thats the one most single scare I have about AOC.  Maturity is not messured in age. Thats for sure.

If my opinion contradicts your opinion then I'm immature.  

You can't say the changes on the test server are going in and you can't say they aren't.  But you definatly can't say Blizzard hasn't nerfed a class in the past.  You can't even say Blizzard has a good track record of
not making Class A not suck even with class balancing. 

Expect class nerfs in AoC thats a downfall of class based MMOs.  There isn't a single class based MMO that doesn't do this class balance thing throughout the life of the game. 

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Originally posted by Alan0n
Well - Like I have stated before.  Class balance is nothing anyone should play with from day to day.  If you want to get the class balance right then you test it on INTERNAL servers and throw the changed on to PUPLIC TESTSEVERS as a PACKAGE to let the users test it for 3-4 weeks.  If something needs more tweaking you do so THEN but no by changing stats day 1, day 2, day 3 day 4.   Why ?  Because then you get absolut ZERO testresults. 

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Hmmm, so you know what the developers can see from day to day do you? I would think myself that they, as the developers and testers would probably know a little more about the game mechanics than you do and as has been pointed out many times in this thread, this is a 'TEST' server and as such they are pretty well free to do whatever they like whenever they like! Just because 'you' haven't had your time to 'play' with their changes does not mean that they haven't got the data they need, as believe it or not, you and your friends are not the only people in there!

I would be interested to know how much feedback you have sent to the developers in regard to the changes that they have made?? How many feedback/test forms have you filled in since starting this "testing"??

As far as class balance is concerned, Blizzard have changed it in one way or another in pretty much every patch they have released in the past three years and i wouldn't have expected this one to be any different. The main thing to remember is that it is being played around with on a test server and not been released as a full patch. Finally, for people to quit the game on the strength of changes that may not even happen is just crazy! If you are not prepared to keep an open mind when using the test servers, then don't use them, simple as that really!

Originally posted by Alan0n

 Class balanced is beeing tossed around from one day to another - making changes to piss ppl off - just the next day to change something else that makes ppl even more pissed. 

Did I mention the key words are TEST SERVER?

Originally posted by Jixx

If my opinion contradicts your opinion then I'm immature.  

You can't say the changes on the test server are going in and you can't say they aren't.  But you definatly can't say Blizzard hasn't nerfed a class in the past.  You can't even say Blizzard has a good track record of
not making Class A not suck even with class balancing. 

Expect class nerfs in AoC thats a downfall of class based MMOs.  There isn't a single class based MMO that doesn't do this class balance thing throughout the life of the game. 

Class balance in terms of raids for example can not be tested on day to day basis.  It is a long term progress - just like everything else in terms of raiding.  My guild has killed Illidan - Don't take it as I dont know what Im talking about.  The future of our guild has now been compromised,  since alot of members are very offended in the way Blizzard are handling key features of class and spec balance.  Day to day changes is not an acceptable way to handle class balance after 3 years of gameplay.   

And yes - That is a new low in history of MMOs. 

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

Originally posted by Alan0n

 Class balanced is beeing tossed around from one day to another - making changes to piss ppl off - just the next day to change something else that makes ppl even more pissed. 

Welcome to the world of a TEST SERVER. Believe it or not, it is there for TESTING, not to make you happy immediately. If developers don't play with the balancing on the TEST SERVER, then people bitch and leave when the unbalanced mess is dropped on the live servers. Or are you one of those worthless "testers" who live on the TEST SERVER like it was their own personal live server, instead of being there to actually TEST the damn content?

 

Did I mention the key words are TEST SERVER?

And I do know what Test servers mean.  I've been working on private internal test servers for over 3 years now.  Not in WoW tho. 

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by Jixx

If my opinion contradicts your opinion then I'm immature.  

You can't say the changes on the test server are going in and you can't say they aren't.  But you definatly can't say Blizzard hasn't nerfed a class in the past.  You can't even say Blizzard has a good track record of
not making Class A not suck even with class balancing. 

Expect class nerfs in AoC thats a downfall of class based MMOs.  There isn't a single class based MMO that doesn't do this class balance thing throughout the lif