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  Stradden

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OP  2/08/08 2:02:27 PM#1

MMORPG.com Community Manager Laura Genender has written a review of CCP's EVE Online that we've split into two parts. Part one will look at some of the background of the game and the different aspects of its gameplay. Part two, which will appear on Monday, will focus on the traditional review aspects of the game and produce a score.

One of the big contention points of EVE gameplay – hot or not? – is the skill/progression system. In World of Warcraft or Everquest, you spend three hours playing and gain (or lose!) experience during those three hours; your progress or lack thereof correlates to the effort you put in. In EVE, your skills progress based on a real-time clock. A skill that takes 5 days, 15 hours, 16 minutes, and 31 seconds will take that amount of time whether you are at the computer or logged off for the entire time. These training timers can be altered based on character stats – determined via starter stats, cybernetic implants, and some skills – but you can’t will a skill to train faster.

The upside to this is that the casual gamer can keep up with the more hardcore, providing they find some sort of income to buy the skillbooks (and the ships they learn to fly) and remember to update their skills when needed; the downside is that a hardcore MMO player can’t start EVE and earn their way to the top. Some of the top corporations even have a minimum skill-point level to join up, effectively barring new players despite any skill they possess. After c. five months or so I’m up to 4.3 million SP; some corps had requirements of 20 million or more.

Read it all here.

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  Lobotomist

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2/08/08 2:41:00 PM#2

EVE will soon have a new challenger to a throne of best SC-FI MMO - Jumpgate Evolution

  batolemaeus

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2/08/08 3:06:35 PM#3

It won't. Two very differen games and very different playstyles. You will probably see Eve-Players playing Jumpgate AND Eve.. ;)

  Fade

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2/08/08 4:10:10 PM#4

Nice write up, would like to see more on the economy and market PVP.  Also the map linked in the article is a bit outdated. here is a more detailed and up to date one:  http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg

 

 

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  batolemaeus

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2/08/08 4:19:53 PM#5

Actually, the one Taera linked is the most recent. It is updated dayly after downtime automatically. So it is always the most up to date map you can have.
(Not the most accurate, through. While it is absolutely accurate in giving you the information who has sovereignity in which region and system, it can not tell you who actually is the main force there. There are a lot of Regions that are practically not inhabitated because the owners are not there at the moment (in a war somewhere else), and it can not show the situation in regions that can not be claimed.)

  Clattuc

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2/08/08 5:07:47 PM#6

Yay, a multi-part EVE review by a five month player who doesn't PvP.

Next week, a five-installment review of WoW by a level 7 Paladin who's never had a Horde toon.

  Taera

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2/08/08 5:09:05 PM#7
Originally posted by Fade

Nice write up, would like to see more on the economy and market PVP.  Also the map linked in the article is a bit outdated. here is a more detailed and up to date one:  http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg

 

 


Yeah, I'm afraid to say I'm not the best market PVPer, as you put it.  When someone undercuts me by 1 ISK I start to see red and breath fire ;)

Laura "Taera" Genender
Community Manager
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  Fade

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2/08/08 5:29:18 PM#8

Originally posted by batolemaeus

Actually, the one Taera linked is the most recent. It is updated dayly after downtime automatically. So it is always the most up to date map you can have.
(Not the most accurate, through. While it is absolutely accurate in giving you the information who has sovereignity in which region and system, it can not tell you who actually is the main force there. There are a lot of Regions that are practically not inhabitated because the owners are not there at the moment (in a war somewhere else), and it can not show the situation in regions that can not be claimed.)

if you look at the two maps you can see the one i linked is more accurate and more up to date with sov changes.

 

@ Taera: I perfectly understand that frustration, i can only do small bouts of trading before i have to stop with fears of popping a blood vessel.

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  batolemaeus

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2/08/08 5:39:29 PM#9

Taera linked a map from 08-Feb-2008 07:06. Actually, she linked the link to the latest map, which is influence_2008-02-07_2008-02-08.png right now.
The Map you linked is from 04.02.2008. Thats four days..

  Kyleran

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2/08/08 5:57:50 PM#10

 

{ Mod Edit }

As to those who would prefer a seasoned PVP veteran write a review, nothing's stopping you, feel free to post away.  MMORPG can't help it if they don't have staffers who are seasoned vets in every game.

Besides, reviews generally written to entice new players to join a game, and this one covers the basics that every noob wants to know. 

No point it describing life in Fleet Battleship wars that a player won't see for 6 months anyways. (besides, then you have to tell them about lag, blobs and the "fun" of gatecamping.

Over all, a decent review, and I'll look forward to the next one.

 

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  Gasper777

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2/08/08 7:07:32 PM#11

Its always good to see EvE get some reviews.  If only they had 10 million players instead of WoW..... Im confident they would put the money back in the game rather then their pockets.  As for JE, that looks to be a great game as well.  I would be willing to bet every EvE player also plays JE but never quits either.  The two teams should just merge IMO =P.

  Lobotomist

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2/08/08 7:22:56 PM#12

 

Originally posted by Kyleran

 

 

 We know you don't like EVE and think JE is going to be the 2nd coming or something.

 

I never said i dont like EVE. I love EVE - it is the only TRUE MMO in my oppinion.
I personally couldnt get into it for several reasons.

JGE will be amazing game, i can bet on that right now.
And i recommend people interested in EVE , also to check it out. Because you just might find it very interesting. It will not be as social complex as EVE (although that remains to be seen)

 

But , imagine EVE , with twitch based flight and combat. With no skill learning at all.
Where outcome of fight is determined by how good you fly your ship , not by how long you played the game
and had skills learning.

All my respect to EVE , but it trully believe JGE will  become a serious contender for SCI-FI mmo supremacy

  Mcgreag

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2/08/08 7:34:34 PM#13


Originally posted by Lobotomist

Where outcome of fight is determined by how good you fly your ship , not by how long you played the game


No need to imagine, that's how EVE is right now. Player skill > avatar skill.

"Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."

  Lobotomist

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2/08/08 8:02:07 PM#14

Originally posted by Mcgreag

 


Originally posted by Lobotomist

Where outcome of fight is determined by how good you fly your ship , not by how long you played the game


No need to imagine, that's how EVE is right now. Player skill > avatar skill.

 

Uhm...yes...right....

  Taera

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2/08/08 9:08:34 PM#15

Originally posted by Kyleran

 

{ Mod Edit }

As to those who would prefer a seasoned PVP veteran write a review, nothing's stopping you, feel free to post away.  MMORPG can't help it if they don't have staffers who are seasoned vets in every game.

Besides, reviews generally written to entice new players to join a game, and this one covers the basics that every noob wants to know. 

No point it describing life in Fleet Battleship wars that a player won't see for 6 months anyways. (besides, then you have to tell them about lag, blobs and the "fun" of gatecamping.

Over all, a decent review, and I'll look forward to the next one.

 

I *do* mention lag in the second half ;) this was more of a gameplay background.

Laura "Taera" Genender
Community Manager
MMORPG.com

  sabutai22

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2/08/08 10:10:29 PM#16

if JGE turns out to be a level based space MMO i can tell you it will FAIL! as it should, i dont remember the last time any MMO has actually come out of the clone level based grind-mill with something new in order to keep players.

So again, if JGE turns out to be a level based space MMO it should fail!

 

  HYPERI0N

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Trader of EvE Online since July 2003.

2/09/08 5:27:58 AM#17

Originally posted by sabutai22

if JGE turns out to be a level based space MMO i can tell you it will FAIL! as it should, i dont remember the last time any MMO has actually come out of the clone level based grind-mill with something new in order to keep players.

So again, if JGE turns out to be a level based space MMO it should fail!

 

It is level based and more focused to PvE. So it wont attract so many EvE players but it will attract the PvE crowd who want something different to Fantasy.

As for the reviews some good basic stuff there

Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

  Lobotomist

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2/09/08 5:32:16 AM#18

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

 

Originally posted by sabutai22

if JGE turns out to be a level based space MMO i can tell you it will FAIL! as it should, i dont remember the last time any MMO has actually come out of the clone level based grind-mill with something new in order to keep players.

So again, if JGE turns out to be a level based space MMO it should fail!

 

It is level based NOT TRUE
and more focused to PvE. So it wont attract so many EvE players but it will attract the PvE crowd who want something different to Fantasy.

 

As for the reviews some good basic stuff there

It is not level based , who told you that ?!

 

It is not true at all

  Thargat

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2/09/08 7:02:03 AM#19

Nice review. Maybe some abstractions would be in place at certain points (since non EvE players really know how much 50mil ISK is). Would have been nice with a mentioning of escalating missions and complexes from the PVE part (where you actually need to band together with your friends to finish it).

Keep up the good work

JGE?! Might be good, might be bad (it's sharded afterall) but it really doesn't belong in this thread.

  unherdninja

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2/09/08 9:32:23 AM#20

Originally posted by Kyleran

 

{ Mod Edit }

As to those who would prefer a seasoned PVP veteran write a review, nothing's stopping you, feel free to post away.  MMORPG can't help it if they don't have staffers who are seasoned vets in every game.

Besides, reviews generally written to entice new players to join a game, and this one covers the basics that every noob wants to know. 

No point it describing life in Fleet Battleship wars that a player won't see for 6 months anyways. (besides, then you have to tell them about lag, blobs and the "fun" of gatecamping.

Over all, a decent review, and I'll look forward to the next one.

 

No effence but this is why we need seasoned veteran's writing the reveiw's. What you just said right there is completly false and is why alotof people get turned away from EVE because of these MMO site's that dont play past 2 week's. A new pilot can get into 0.0 pvp fleet battle's within 3 week's. This is why EVE is so great because you dont need to spend 6 mounth's-a year before the fun starts. Im sorry but please dont say thing's that are untrue.

(I am going by my own experiences in the game over a 7 mounth period)

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