Originally posted by openedge1

Salvatoris had said it best

"Borrow" is the key word...and this appearance tab system was already implemented in EQ2 about 3-4 months ago..and the fact remains...it will not save the visuals of the mediocre armor..So, hopefully some better looking outfits come out than the emasculating form fitting leather look

LOTRO still continues to clone the best games..

Later

Only 3-4 months ago?  Wow.. that took a long time.  Too bad it took EQ2 years to put that appearance tab in the game. 

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Interesting. This may solve one of the issues I had with this game. But I still have other issues needing resolving before I quit WoW to play it. Cool looking armor was one issue, but fun classes is another. I had no fun playing any of the classes offered in LoTRO. My favorite class in a MMORPG is a warrior/mage hybrid. You know, fighting with a sword in one hand a spell in another. I play WoW in hopes that the new Deathknight class will be what I've been waiting for in this generation of polished games. One other thing WoW did better than Lotro, which is why I won't play it is the variety of starting areas and places to level. In LoTRO, I only like playing the Elves and Humans. Both have a different starting area, but meet up in Breeland. From that point onward, everyone is doing the same quests. This makes for no replay value. WoW has 7 or 8 starting areas with 2-4 different ways to level up without repeating the same content. That's at least twice as long playing time as I could get in Lotro for the same price. I look for value in my games; the cool factor, which WoW has with its armor you can get and the epicness of the world; and a sizable community, where I can find a good guild and it is easy to find groups.

LoTRO just fails in my book and by the time it is cool enough for me to play, it will be too late for it. But I am truley happy some people have found a home in that game. I was just hoping for more than what I got in that game.

Sorry for the rant.

Sounds like you want to play a Loremaster with 'Sword and Staff' slotted as a legendary trait.  Add a nice enchancted pointy hat and you're nearly as cool as Gandalf himself.  so LOTRO already has what you want there, and WoW 'might' if you buy their new expansion, whenever that comes out...

Also, Elves and Humans have TOTALLY different starting areas and elves don't really need to go anywhere NEAR Bree-land.  Humans end up in Bree-land, which is a nice place to quest, and Elves end up in Falathorn.  You can level up an elf (or dwarf for that matter) without ever setting foot in Bree, you can find all your level-appropriate quests and adventures in Falathorn/Ered-Luin etc...., and not need to set foot in the Shire or Bree if you so choose. 

Originally posted by DeaconX

Too bad I can't hold one of those 'aestehic only' beers in one hand and put an axe in the skulls of orcs with the other hehehe.

I do hope they will add more faces later on as well, so maybe people will have the option not to be a square jawed model man.

YES YES YES!

Gawd how I HATE all those square jawed men faces! *high fives*

Why are so many male face models like made from some jar headed action movie? ugh

Originally posted by Elikal

 

Originally posted by DeaconX

Too bad I can't hold one of those 'aestehic only' beers in one hand and put an axe in the skulls of orcs with the other hehehe.

I do hope they will add more faces later on as well, so maybe people will have the option not to be a square jawed model man.

YES YES YES!

 

Gawd how I HATE all those square jawed men faces! *high fives*

Why are so many male face models like made from some jar headed action movie? ugh

Because "back then" men were all large, deep chested, broad shouldered and square jawed... didnt you know that? Men were never lanky and skinny!

</sarcasm>

I wouldnt go ripping lotro for using the appearance tab too much, considering EQ2 "uses" stuff from other games. And warcrack pretty much copied stuff from the EQ setting. Ironforge, Shadow Council... to name a few.

Originally posted by PrinnySquad

I'm one of the first to say the combat and advancement systems in this game are nothing but a clone of EQ/WoW with the restricting boring class system, item-based level-based hackfest gameplay.

But this is a GREAT new addition. They should be applauded for this. You have the customizable music (already there), two outfit slots, and barbershop stuff. Housing stuff. It's actually earning the RP part of RPG.

Credit where credit is due.

I mean, did they dropkick your kitten like Hulk Hogan in the 90's?

Or, is it sincere lament for what was once called Middle Earth Online? Well, I can understand that one.

Anyway, update looks good, but I guess since I'm not currently playing, it doesn't matter too much what I think.

I can't speak for anyone else, but my issue with it is that it doesn't make the armor less ugly.. you just get more ugly choices.  This system benefits heavy armor wearers far more than those of us stuck in the ugly light armor clown suits... the people who actually had issues with their appearance in the first place.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

 

Originally posted by PrinnySquad

I'm one of the first to say the combat and advancement systems in this game are nothing but a clone of EQ/WoW with the restricting boring class system, item-based level-based hackfest gameplay.

But this is a GREAT new addition. They should be applauded for this. You have the customizable music (already there), two outfit slots, and barbershop stuff. Housing stuff. It's actually earning the RP part of RPG.

Credit where credit is due.

I mean, did they dropkick your kitten like Hulk Hogan in the 90's?

Or, is it sincere lament for what was once called Middle Earth Online? Well, I can understand that one.

Anyway, update looks good, but I guess since I'm not currently playing, it doesn't matter too much what I think.

Isnt this new system also a clone of an existing system from EQ2?

 

I can't speak for anyone else, but my issue with it is that it doesn't make the armor less ugly.. you just get more ugly choices.  This system benefits heavy armor wearers far more than those of us stuck in the ugly light armor clown suits... the people who actually had issues with their appearance in the first place.

 echo echo echo

Well

  I did see some better looking armor pieces in a previous post by Kryogenic...but the fact remains that the form fitting leotard leather pants still exist, and look girlish (I am sorry...but the men have ZERO bulge...emasculated indeed)...and it still is a copy...

  The fact also is EQ2 did it first...name another game that does this...except LOTRO. It does not matter how long it took either JonMichael...as NO ONE else has even done it (lets at least give Turbine credit though for doing something no one BUT EQ2 has done).

  Too sad Turbine still continues on the Microsoft path of copy everyone, innovate none...

Sorry

Later!

Can someone help me understand what difference it makes that EQ2 or WoW or whatever did something 2 minutes, two weeks, or two years before some other game did it? Who cares who did it first?

Thanks for helping my understanding.

Originally posted by Seaners

Can someone help me understand what difference it makes that EQ2 or WoW or whatever did something 2 minutes, two weeks, or two years before some other game did it? Who cares who did it first?

Thanks for helping my understanding.

The reason is...that if the other MMO's are doing it, then well....you have played it before, and with a type of game where you do things over long periods of time over and over...you just hope that another MMO you go to will be new and different...

Turbine did state they would not "innovate"...and they are really sticking to that mantra...

Hope that explains...

Later

hey EQ2 uses magic and swords. What a bunch of copy cats......................

No matter what MMORPG you play they've taken something from someone.

Originally posted by angerbeaver

hey EQ2 uses magic and swords. What a bunch of copy cats......................

No matter what MMORPG you play they've taken something from someone.

Sorry...wrong argument.

Thanks

Originally posted by openedge1

 

I will assume then you have not played MMO's very long by your comment.

 

I couldn't care less if Windows copied Macintosh which got the idea from Xerox which couldn't have happened if IBM hadn't been what they were over the last 50 years. I don't need to be first I guess.

So, I'm still hoping that someone can explain why it matters who did what first.

Originally posted by openedge1

Well

  I did see some better looking armor pieces in a previous post by Kryogenic...but the fact remains that the form fitting leotard leather pants still exist, and look girlish (I am sorry...but the men have ZERO bulge...emasculated indeed)...and it still is a copy...

  The fact also is EQ2 did it first...name another game that does this...except LOTRO. It does not matter how long it took either JonMichael...as NO ONE else has even done it (lets at least give Turbine credit though for doing something no one BUT EQ2 has done).

  Too sad Turbine still continues on the Microsoft path of copy everyone, innovate none...

Sorry

Later!

EQ2 did it first, bravo EQ2.

The thing is, LotRO housing system is so much cooler. (You have an instanced neighborhood with neighbors and guild halls, rivers, parks, ect.)

The graphics and animations in LotRO are cooler than EQ2. (I know this is totally subjective and very unbiased of me, but let's not kid ourselves about the validity of the EQ2 fanbois posts in this thread in so far as unbiased views are concerned.)

The gameplay in LotRO is alot more fun than EQ2s gameplay. EQ2 is stale and boring. (Also, subjective... see my other comment above.)

As far as RPing goes, LotRO wins hands down as EQ2 just doesn't have as many tools to RP with. This isn't subjective. This is fact.

The only thing I like better about EQ2 is the hooded robes and that's it.

On the innovation tip, EQ2 didn't push the limits or bring anything new to the table. Furthermore, to down Turbine and Microsoft while holding SOE in high regard is just insane. Are you even a gamer? Did you miss all of the fiascos that SOE was and is at the center of?

It doesn't matter if EQ2 did first. The point is that the 2 systems, while similar, are not the same. If you don't play the game, stop posting about another game in the what should be a discussion of this game.

Originally posted by openedge1

Well

  I did see some better looking armor pieces in a previous post by Kryogenic...but the fact remains that the form fitting leotard leather pants still exist, and look girlish (I am sorry...but the men have ZERO bulge...emasculated indeed)...and it still is a copy...

  The fact also is EQ2 did it first...name another game that does this...except LOTRO. It does not matter how long it took either JonMichael...as NO ONE else has even done it (lets at least give Turbine credit though for doing something no one BUT EQ2 has done).

  Too sad Turbine still continues on the Microsoft path of copy everyone, innovate none...

Sorry

Later!

Take a look at the screenshots of EQ2 the first year it launched or read back on the SOE message boards.  People were complaining about the same thing.. nasty looking armor.  I played the game for a year and when I left, nothing had changed where armor was concerned. 

Also, during it's first year (at least while I was playing), EQ2 was hardly innovative.  They've introduced a few new things to the genre, but it's hardly been groundbreaking. In fact, at launch, EQ2 had no in game mail.

Prior to LOTRO, I don't recall any MMO that had player generated music. 

Does it really matter who did what first or if a company takes a good idea and uses it to make their game better?  Nope.

What matters is if you like the game, play it.. if not, move on to one you do like.

Have a great day!

Originally posted by Salvatoris

 

Originally posted by PrinnySquad

I'm one of the first to say the combat and advancement systems in this game are nothing but a clone of EQ/WoW with the restricting boring class system, item-based level-based hackfest gameplay.

But this is a GREAT new addition. They should be applauded for this. You have the customizable music (already there), two outfit slots, and barbershop stuff. Housing stuff. It's actually earning the RP part of RPG.

Credit where credit is due.

I mean, did they dropkick your kitten like Hulk Hogan in the 90's?

Or, is it sincere lament for what was once called Middle Earth Online? Well, I can understand that one.

Anyway, update looks good, but I guess since I'm not currently playing, it doesn't matter too much what I think.

Isnt this new system also a clone of an existing system from EQ2?

 

I can't speak for anyone else, but my issue with it is that it doesn't make the armor less ugly.. you just get more ugly choices.  This system benefits heavy armor wearers far more than those of us stuck in the ugly light armor clown suits... the people who actually had issues with their appearance in the first place.

As for me, I hate the way heavy armor looks in general. One reason I can't play "heavy" classes in class-based games. I like clothing, not full armor.

I don't see anything wrong with using ideas or things (general) that worked in other games.   I think this is a nice solid 'first shot' at answering the cries of the customer base.